Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #9

[Derryn Hunch]

What does that mean?


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It means this - what the Mirage is doing underneath the A340

A beautiful bit of footage too from a great movie (its in french, but there is english version) Sky Fighters...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YEhGYjDS1U

 

[Steely Dan]

Well. Here we are, no closer to actually knowing anything than we were the morning this happened.

Here we are, debating what actually happened.

Good grief, but this is frustrating. I can't imagine what it's like to be a family member of one of the passengers, or the pilots.

Originally, I had thought the plane had suffered a catastrophic explosion (ala Locherbie/Lockerbie), but we have found absolutely NO debris at all...

Then I thought well, it was hijacked and the pilots did evasive actions and lost control of the plane. but then, we still don't have any debris or indication that this happened.

Then the crazy flight pattern was released...up, down, all around. Avoidance of radar, low flying techniques, waystops, and whatnot.

I have NO idea what happened. I do think that Malaysia is scapegoating the pilot...but more than that, I don't know.

One guy at the dogpark thinks that we will hear of the plane, once it gets repainted, and it will be carrying a dirty bomb and crash into a big city...or into a nuclear plant. Usually I dismiss his conversation as "out there" and "tin-hat stuff". This time? Not so much. After all, it makes about as much sense as anything else we're speculating about, yanno?

Sigh. My prayers continue for all those who have been personally affected by the disappearance of flight MH370...

Best-
Herding Cats

It is really weird and I'm not discounting that guys theory. It could be true.

 

[Isabelle]

“The recording is now with air traffic control,” MAS chief executive officer Ahmad Jauhari Yahya said at a news briefing yesterday"


See, this is the kind of statements that are just driving people crazy! Why would the recording "now be with air traffic control"??? WHY is it not in the possession of the investigating team? IS there an investigating team?

Either the investigating team, if there is one, is lame or these "spokespeople" are lame. Or BOTH! This is really a sad, sad situation when obviously incompetent people are "running the show" on something of so much potential importance to the entire world.

This makes me suspicious that a recording may not even exist!

 

[ElleElle]

It is really weird and I'm not discounting that guys theory. It could be true.

Anything is possible. Including zombies.

 

[shygrl]

oh well, we all posted condolences on facebook :facepalm:

wait, condolences for the victims or the suspects?

TIA

"“US UNDER ATTACK AGAIN CONDOLENCE TO THE DECEASED" (sorry he had it in caps) then he shared an article about the bombings. There is a picture of the posting here.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/heres-what-we-know-about-the-missing-malaysian-airliner-pilot/

 

[Steely Dan]

As far as investigators have been able to determine, there have been no phone calls, Twitter or Weibo postings, Instagram photos or any other communication from anyone aboard the aircraft since it was diverted.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/18/w...ne-calls-from-missing-passengers.html?hp&_r=0

bbm

Does that mean that they could communicate? Have we ever verified if they could use electronics.

Unfortunately, I think it means the passengers are dead.

 

[panthera]

I've seen reports write the final words as either "All right, good night" or "Alright, good night." Grammatically, both words are different. The first one means everything is good here, whereas the second one means okay (as in agreeing with someone/thing).

I'm probably just nit-picking here though because I'm a grammar Nazi :blushing:

Not nit-picking any more than I was yesterday wanting to hear voice inflection and intonation in the comment. Totally agree, the phrase can be interpreted differently.

 

[ElleElle]

This makes me suspicious that a recording may not even exist!

I wish I can fly to KL and demand them to release the recording.

I want to hear it. :tantrum:

 

[Nova]

:seeya:

BBM ~ If MH370 flew around in circles, wouldn't other aircraft see or hit it?

Or, is that a not a busy airspace? For, the Indian ocean.

I'm not an expert on air traffic over Southeast Asia.

But I think you are imaging tight circles that would be obvious to a plane passing by. Larger circles wouldn't appear to be anything but a plane making a turn.

And given the number of hours, MH370 could have made circles over areas of the Indian Ocean where traffic would be relatively light. I think.

 

[gregjrichards]

This is an interesting new article that the pilot may have been trying to send a secret signal that something was wrong.

Was Malaysian co-pilot's last message to base a secret distress signal? Officials investigate possibility unusual sign-off may have indicated something was wrong

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...usual-sign-indicated-wrong.html#ixzz2wH2jfv2r

 

[Bravo]

But wasn't the secondary part of the ACARS system what kept "pinging" the satellites? Or was that some other device?

I thought it was from another device. Don't hold me to it tho. My brain is saturated so I may be wrong. Where is one of our Pilot people????

 

[Derryn Hunch]

He wrote condolences on the pages of of some the victims/their families.
I'm not concerned about it at all.
Like I said earlier, I took interest in the Boston Bombing as well.
I think most people did.

Better check if you have a flight simulator I think

 

[LadyL]

BBM ~ As much as my gut does not tell me the Captain is involved, a bit of me believes the FO may be.

I guess they have to work from the inside out just like any other mystery. :twocents:

I've had the same feeling all along. Pilot not involved. Co-pilot yes. Two Iranians with fake passports yes. 'Mr. Ali' yes. One other person yet to be determined also directly involved. Many others of course indirectly involved.

It will be interesting to see how far off base I could be. I would much rather this be a horrible accident of course.

 

[Bravo]

I understood there is a special program and pings set up by Rolls Royce to ping engine information back to the engine manufacturer (mentioned in various threads by pilots on this board) If I recall correctly and it cannot be disabled unless you were a technician. It pings while the engine is on.

Yes yes that's it. Thank You :seeya:

 

[miley]

new information I just saw:

Computer Sent Missing Plane Off Flight Path

WASHINGTON — The first turn to the west that diverted the missing Malaysia Airlines plane from its planned flight path from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing was carried out through a computer system that was most likely programmed by someone in the plane’s cockpit who was knowledgeable about airplane systems, according to senior American officials.

Instead of manually operating the plane’s controls, whoever altered Flight 370’s path typed seven or eight keystrokes into a computer on a knee-high pedestal between the captain and the first officer, according to officials. The Flight Management System, as the computer is known, directs the plane from point to point specified in the flight plan submitted before each flight. It is not clear whether the plane’s path was reprogrammed before or after it took off.​

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/18/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-flight.html?_r=0

 

[Hatfield]

He wrote condolences on the pages of of some the victims/their families.
I'm not concerned about it at all.
Like I said earlier, I took interest in the Boston Bombing as well.
I think most people did.

I respect other peoples opinions on this however I do chalk this up as another "mark" as something just to keep in mind.

I dont know the statistics of NON-US people that would be moved enough to actually post on victims Facebook accounts but that to me seems like he may have been in the minority for a NON-US person to actually post on victims FB pages.

Unless we have statistics on this, there is no way to tell but to me it is definitely something that is raising an eyebrow for me right now. Like take 1000 NON-US people at random and how many would do that. I am guessing that he was in the minority here with this.

Lets assume he was in lets say 10% of NON-US people that actually posted on victims site that week (im thinking even less than that, but will go with 10%), what would that tell us? To me, I think it tells us he is has concern about the people that were bombed and he felt badly for them.

Now, combine that with what we know about him being concerned about his friends trial that he attended the day of the flight.

It is the totality of the small "marks" as they begin to build together that I keep trying to remember as I try to think of who may have done something with this plane. There happens to be a few "marks" that I have put in this theory of one or both of the pilots.

Some of the other theories do not have very many marks beside them so I kind of keep that in mind as we think through this nightmare.

All JMO of course.

 

[Nova]

"If" this was a catastrophic event how did this plane manage to fly for 7 hours. Every theory I bounce defies logic....

BBM ~ My sentiments exactly. :banghead:

I feel like we're going around and around in a continuous loop. :scared:

The British expert on CNN just said the same thing. And he's an expert!

 

[jmcgladr]

Another aircraf,t SIA68, was

- in the immediate vicinity as the missing MH370 flight at precisely the same time.

- was en-route on a heading towards the same IGREX waypoint on airway P628 that the Malaysian military radar had shown MH370 headed towards at precisely the same time.


Would it be possible for MH370 to fly in the "shadow" of another plane, in order to avoid being detected by radar? Someone (on tumblr, so I can't post link it, since it's no MSM) suggests it eventually flew (without transponder / ADS-B, therefore invisible to other aircrafts) in the shadow of SIA68 through India and Afghanistan. When they entered Indian airspace, both planes would have shown up as one single blip on the radar with only the transponder information of SIA68 lighting up ATC and military radar screens.

Here's an image of the flight path from March, 8 when MH370 went missing.

http://de.flightaware.com/live/flight/SIA68/history/20140307/1640Z/WSSS/LEBL

One can also check the track log for Mar,8:

http://de.flightaware.com/live/flight/SIA68/history/20140307/1640Z/WSSS/LEBL/tracklog

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However I can't imagine there's only one plane detected by radar, assuming MH370 really flew in SIA68's shadow.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think some expert said on CNN that even though many countries clame their radar system's to be precise, some are still in need of improvement and IIRC he even said that if MH370 flew at a lower altitude, it might very well not have been detected, depending on how well-engineered the specific radar systems are, so mhm.

I read that analysis as well. It made better sense than a lot of the other theories out there, IMO. The idea was, because MH370 was "black" on civilian radar, it could follow close behind another commercial jetliner along the same commercial path and nothing would show up as amiss, especially in the middle of the night. It wouldn't show up on the other plane's radar either. Then MH370 could quietly divert from this path at some point, and land in an area with little radar coverage or defense (i.e. Turkmenistan). Creepy idea, but plausible.

 

[Derryn Hunch]

It means this - what the Mirage is doing underneath the A340

A beautiful bit of footage too from a great movie (its in french, but there is english version) Sky Fighters...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YEhGYjDS1U

Actually - this movie is about stealing a plane

 

[ElleElle]

I'm not an expert on air traffic over Southeast Asia.

But I think you are imaging tight circles that would be obvious to a plane passing by. Larger circles wouldn't appear to be anything but a plane making a turn.

And given the number of hours, MH370 could have made circles over areas of the Indian Ocean where traffic would be relatively light. I think.

BBM ~ So does that mean you an expert ATC somewhere else in the world?

Yes, I guess i'm picturing an aircraft flying at erratic altitudes around in a circle, but I guess they can be big circles.