Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #9

[lawstudent]

I don't know. We've all assumed the communication was in English, but it could have been in Malay. No audio has been released to confirm what language it was said in.

If it was in fact spoken in Malay, could there maybe be a mistranslation happening here?

If it wasn't in English, I think it does make a big difference.

For people trying to read acronyms into it, which I find highly doubtful, that would obviously change things.

Then, some common phrases have multiple or slightly different meanings in different languages. It may not be as non-standard as initially thought, or indicate a slightly different tone (i.e. more or less polite). Plus, as people have pointed out, alright/allright have somewhat different meanings. It would be more clear in a different language.

It may be insignificant, but if people are going to pick it apart, I think that's impossible to do without knowing the language.

 

[ilovepierre]

This makes me suspicious that a recording may not even exist!

Sometimes I feel that this plane never existed!

 

[shygrl]

CNN just reported that the US reported that to turn the plane Westbound, either the pilot or co-pilot punched 7-8 keystrokes into a keyboard situated between the pilot and co-pilot!!! This was deliberate.

I didn't see the article posted (sorry if this is a repeat)

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/18/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-flight.html?hp&_r=0

A little more detail.

 

[panthera]

I'm confused now :waitasec:
Was Allah mentioned in the last words to ATC?

Not that I am aware of. It remains "All right, Good Night" or "Alright, Good Night".

MOO

 

[ElleElle]

Sometimes I feel that this plane never existed!

Tin foil hat? :floorlaugh:

 

[ElleElle]

Not that I am aware of. It remains "All right, Good Night" or "Alright, Good Night".

MOO

Those are still the last 4 words...

 

[lawstudent]

Aviation expert says "Allright, goodnight" is not standard pilot talk- usually there's a Roger in there, and give flight coordinates...

Do we know what was said prior to that? Like, did that happen prior to the polite sign off? Some pilots frequently use non-standard language - I do think it's possible it was a hint something is wrong if he always used standard language and was very by-the-book, but we'd have to know more.

If he was saying non-standard things prior to the sign off, it could mean something. If he'd given all the relevant standard data already, then a pilot sign off is hardly a red flag, especially if he maybe knew people at ATC.

ETA: I would think differently in this involved take off/landing or some sort of clearance. There, unclear language can have very bad consequences and I would be much more suspicious. But since no directions were being given, it seems less concerning.

 

[MLO]

I respect other peoples opinions on this however I do chalk this up as another "mark" as something just to keep in mind.

I dont know the statistics of NON-US people that would be moved enough to actually post on victims Facebook accounts but that to me seems like he may have been in the minority for a NON-US person to actually post on victims FB pages.

Unless we have statistics on this, there is no way to tell but to me it is definitely something that is raising an eyebrow for me right now. Like take 1000 NON-US people at random and how many would do that. I am guessing that he was in the minority here with this.

Lets assume he was in lets say 10% of NON-US people that actually posted on victims site that week (im thinking even less than that, but will go with 10%), what would that tell us? To me, I think it tells us he is has concern about the people that were bombed and he felt badly for them.

Now, combine that with what we know about him being concerned about his friends trial that he attended the day of the flight.

It is the totality of the small "marks" as they begin to build together that I keep trying to remember as I try to think of who may have done something with this plane. There happens to be a few "marks" that I have put in this theory of one or both of the pilots.

Some of the other theories do not have very many marks beside them so I kind of keep that in mind as we think through this nightmare.

All JMO of course.

Utterly disagree. I am in Australia, I have family in England, friends in New Zealand and Switzerland. We also have friends that were posted to Malaysia and Afghanistan at the time of the bombings. They all knew about it and were talking about it. They saw in on local TV and the internet. They shared articles and sent condolences. It was played on our news non bloody stop for days.

I should tell you, "Non US" people have access to news, they have feelings, they have sympathy and "Non US" people an even be "moved":floorlaugh:

 

[lawstudent]

Not that I am aware of. It remains "All right, Good Night" or "Alright, Good Night".

MOO

A poster made a semi-anagram out of the letters, which included an Allah reference...

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Originally by PoirotryInMotion
Anderson Cooper 360° ‏@AC360 19m

"When the word came out they were considering hijacking… there was euphoria because they may be alive" Paul Yin [grief counselor] on #MH370 families.

I find this kind of disrespectful - why is he telling the world about these unfortunate families' most terrible moments? he's a grief counsellor who should be maintaining a role as a confidante and support IMO

JMO, but I believe he was only sharing what other family members (eg. Woods' brother) have already said--that their confirmation that they believe this to be a hijacking was actually good news, compared to the alternative most had been considering (crashing into the sea). As Philip Woods' brother said (link upthread), at least they suddenly had hope they might see their loved ones again--that they might be hostages rather than dead.

I know I had renewed hope for them being alive after hearing authorities were thinking purposeful, evasive hijacking with travel for another 5-6 hours rather than midair explosion/crash.

 

[Bravo]

new information I just saw:

Computer Sent Missing Plane Off Flight Path

WASHINGTON — The first turn to the west that diverted the missing Malaysia Airlines plane from its planned flight path from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing was carried out through a computer system that was most likely programmed by someone in the plane’s cockpit who was knowledgeable about airplane systems, according to senior American officials.

Instead of manually operating the plane’s controls, whoever altered Flight 370’s path typed seven or eight keystrokes into a computer on a knee-high pedestal between the captain and the first officer, according to officials. The Flight Management System, as the computer is known, directs the plane from point to point specified in the flight plan submitted before each flight. It is not clear whether the plane’s path was reprogrammed before or after it took off.​

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/18/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-flight.html?_r=0

Yes I am seeing this report right now on CNN

 

[aa9511]

No, this is the 8:11am arc only and the plane would be on/near one point along this arc only. The other hourly arc plots have not been published to the public. I wish they were, as it would be very telling!

There is a guy on CNN who does an excellent explanation of the derivation of this arc.

Ok wow I just saw the "breaking news" on CNN about computer programming.

But anyway, back to this post re: arc - how can it be from only 8:11 am when that is only 1 data point? Don't they need multiple, or at least two, data points to make the arc in the first place? It has been my belief that the arcs were made from the multiple date points (satellite pings).

JMO.

 

[Hatfield]

But what's so wrong with a non US person taking an interest in something that happened in the US? I'm a non US person and I took interest in it. Look at 9/11. A lot of non US people took an interest in that and I'm sure they posted condolences on websites that were set up for the victims and their families.

It would be different if this captain was supporting the terrorists and feeling sorry for them. His posting condolences on victim's FB's and sending their family's well wishes is no different than if you or I was doing it.

IMO.

I knew I should not have replied because people are going to try to turn my post all the wrong ways.

I thought I was very clear but obviously not.

I was replying to a specific post that someone said he posted on Victims FB site and was basing it on a statistic that we have no way of knowing unless someone does some analysis of 1000 NON-US people to see if they posted condolences on the victims FB account. Since we have no way of knowing if that is unusual or not, it is probably not worth discussing anymore.

I clearly said if he did this, it means he felt for the people and I tried to point a correlation that he obviously felt for his friend too and attended a trial for him. So, to me only, that indicates this person has strong beliefs in things and actually takes ACTION where some people (again we have no way of knowing statistically) would probably not take that sort of action.

I wont be replying anymore on this topic as it is too easy to be twisted all the wrong ways.

 

[Bravo]

Sometimes I feel that this plane never existed!

So does that mean we are really not here too :floorlaugh: Sowwy I'm getting weary :blushing:

 

[LadyL]

"“US UNDER ATTACK AGAIN CONDOLENCE TO THE DECEASED" (sorry he had it in caps) then he shared an article about the bombings. There is a picture of the posting here.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/heres-what-we-know-about-the-missing-malaysian-airliner-pilot/

thank you - yes, he and 75% of the rest of the people in the world were posting about it

I know that his 'magyver' skills and flight simulator make look sketchy to some on the surface but I will eat my green St. Patty's hat if he's involved

 

[LinasK]

Do we know what was said prior to that? Like, did that happen prior to the polite sign off? Some pilots frequently use non-standard language - I do think it's possible it was a hint something is wrong if he always used standard language and was very by-the-book, but we'd have to know more.

If he was saying non-standard things prior to the sign off, it could mean something. If he'd given all the relevant standard data already, then a pilot sign off is hardly a red flag, especially if he maybe knew people at ATC.

ETA: I would think differently in this involved take off/landing or some sort of clearance. There, unclear language can have very bad consequences and I would be much more suspicious. But since no directions were being given, it seems less concerning.

To me, that phrase plus the flight simulator plus the keyboard strokes tell me that this flight crew- I think the pilot and co-pilot were in cahoots- planned to steal this plane. I hope they kept the passengers alive as hostages, but I'm worried now that they have this plane well-hidden, and will use it for some future terrorist attack. There's also the political leanings of the pilot- some have said his family moved the day beforehand- that's fishy too...

 

[songline]

It seems so bizarre that either the pilot or co-pilot would allow the other to do that, unless they were plotting this together (and the co-pilot was new to flying 777s, so did they even know each other very well?) OR the other person flying the plane was incapacitated. Or if there was a 3rd party involved, possibly both the pilot and co-pilot were incapacitated.

Since they did not ask to fly together IF THERE IS a 3rd party it would have to be the person who does scheduling. I think.
I definitly think they shoud be investigated just saying....

 

[aa9511]

oh man I feel like I'm back in math class with a one of those "if one train is going so fast...and another train is going so fast...where would they meet?". Only now we are talking about a plane.

Before this last ping, where was the last location that they had tracking data from the plane? Am I correct that they have a general location of the plane for that one? Is there not a way to take that location, the approximate amount of fuel that would be left, and assuming they continued flying at "regular" speed, figure out approximately where on that arc the plane might have been at the time of this last ping? I'm not skilled in math or even have the information to do this, but just thinking it must be possible.

GOOD IDEA.

Let's hope someone reads on here and let's someone in authority know!!

 

[ilovepierre]

So does that mean we are really not here too :floorlaugh: Sowwy I'm getting weary :blushing:

After so many days, I think we're all getting weary!
This is just such a mystery...

 

[MLO]

My favourite tin foil hat theory is-

The US is so desperate for a war with Iran that they are responsible for this. The Iranians (who are naturally Muslims) hijacked the plane. Not that they exist, neither does the mother who made the phone call, nor Mr Ali. Once the wreckage is "found" (obviously the US knows where it is, since they downed it, but had to find a way to insert themselves into the investigation) it will lead to the invasion of Iran.

Now, I don't believe this at all, but it is my favourite rumour going around because it seems to be the most thought out, plus its new (as far as I've seen). I can't wait for the truth to come out, I think it will be such a simple explanation compared to all the whackadoo theories.