Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #9

[songline]

Well, this movie may be reality, because to me, I have a gut feelings the FO and his "crew" hacked the systems and it is stolen. :twocents:

Great steal the plane....Just give the people thier lives back.

 

[MLO]

Okay! Gotcha!
I was confused, and thought I had missed something :facepalm:

I think it's because the thread is moving so darn fast!

 

[aa9511]

I don't think you can tell - just the size and where it's coming from, so they judge based on that, and then they will make contact with it if they are unsure. That's why planes have been shot down accidentally.

Airlines and I'm sure the military have monitoring systems that track their own planes, but I don't think they can tell which enemy plane is which definitively.




Agreed - whatever Malaysia is doing, I highly doubt the U.S. is backing down. It's hard to judge anyone's behavior right now because I believe the U.S. is probably telling people how to act and there's a reason certain information is being kept secret. The U.S. doesn't seem eager to share information, so that would indicate they are concerned and involved and telling people to release only certain information. Maybe they're releasing contradicting reports on purpose. U.S. officials could easily correct the reports coming out if they want to, but they seem to be reasonably okay with the chaos, and even Malaysia isn't protesting that much.

I TOTALLY agree.

There is "confusion" on purpose, IMO.

I remember in the very first few days, when they were still searching South China Sea, there were reports that the plane might have "turned west."

It was during the time everyone was still focused on the ocean right where the plane went off radar.

Then, it turned out that those reports were true.

Meaning, Malaysia obviously had this information from early, early on, I'm thinking the very first day. Also, they would have had their own defense information certainly that same day (that there was a plane on military radar).

Meanwhile, what did China do?

China sent everyone to a totally different location - way East, based on some satellite image of a supposed plane that they DID NOT RELEASE close-up zoomed views of.

The arc path, if one takes the idea that the plane flew to the north side of the projected arc, would have taken it MOSTLY across one country - China.

I am beginning to view China in a very suspicious light right now.

 

[Isabelle]

Change in Plane’s Path Was Entered via Computer

excerpt

Instead of manually operating the plane’s controls, whoever altered Flight 370’s path typed seven or eight keystrokes into a computer on a knee-high pedestal between the captain and the first officer, according to officials. The Flight Management System, as the computer is known, directs the plane from point to point specified in the flight plan submitted before each flight. It is not clear whether the plane’s path was reprogrammed before or after it took off.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/18/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-flight.html?_r=0

Would want to know if someone were in the cockpit before the pilot and copilot boarded or was there a time when pilot or copilot were alone at the controls. From the times given, it seems plane changed course about 30 minutes into the flight. Is this correct?

 

[lawstudent]

I knew I should not have replied because people are going to try to turn my post all the wrong ways.

I thought I was very clear but obviously not.

I was replying to a specific post that someone said he posted on Victims FB site and was basing it on a statistic that we have no way of knowing unless someone does some analysis of 1000 NON-US people to see if they posted condolences on the victims FB account. Since we have no way of knowing if that is unusual or not, it is probably not worth discussing anymore.

I clearly said if he did this, it means he felt for the people and I tried to point a correlation that he obviously felt for his friend too and attended a trial for him. So, to me only, that indicates this person has strong beliefs in things and actually takes ACTION where some people (again we have no way of knowing statistically) would probably not take that sort of action.

I wont be replying anymore on this topic as it is too easy to be twisted all the wrong ways.

I know what you mean and I didn't find it offensive - I can see your point that it would be important as part of a cumulative pile of data indicating an interest in foreign terrorism events etc. But if he did have an unusual interest, I am sure that is being looked into - websites discussing those things, particularly overseas and probably particularly people who are pilots, are tracked, and so far nothing has come out about that.

If he's posting that publicly on Facebook and he's politically active, he must have not thought it would arouse any suspicious, or he'd be putting himself in jeopardy. One breaking news article doesn't seem odd to me given an attack against the U.S. is a major event, especially for someone who works for an airline.

I guess my point is that if there was more, I could see how it could be relevant as part of the total picture. But as it stands I don't find it suspicious at all - I'd say a large portion of Malaysians and people from all countries who were into posting about public events did so on that day. And a large portion of Americans did not. I live on the Boston border and did not post anything on Facebook - I personally find online public condolences tacky. The final shootout with the terrorists occurred even closer to me, and I did stay up all night and post stuff on Twitter relating to that news, because that's more my style than emotional stuff. If he was posting detached updates like I was, I'd think that was weirder than posting condolences. It wasn't like he had to do that.

 

[Bravo]

If they now know (or are just telling us now) the flight plan was re-programmed would they not be able to tell us "when" this happened. To me that's key.

 

[revampz]

I said I was going to stay away from this today....
and yet here I am again.....:facepalm:

Thanks SHYGRL for posting that Anwar was freed until he appealed his sentence through the high court...

I hadn't seen that and thought he was jailed.......so yep sought of changes a few things for me...

However it did mean that he couldn't stand in some by-election that they were having, so effectively it still meant he wasn't going to be able to be elected...

NOw re the change of direction having to be put into a computer with a code......ok ok...can see why they know it was someone who knew what they were doing..

One question: how did air traffic control (or whoever oversees this stuff) not pick up that a code was put in to change the direction if it had to be pre programmed??

Also that is a very good question re the language the last words were said was in, and I cant believe none of us thought of it sooner??

Is the "all right, good night" a translation of the Malaysian spoken, or was it in English?, and if in English, why,when he was speaking to Malaysian atc...

I read somewhere that ATC said "we are switching you over to Vietnamese air traffic control now" and that was their response.

Also re the Boston Bombings....to me it looks like he was saying...."oh no there has been a bombing in the US again, sorry people have died condolences to the family" (my translation of the facebook post)

I cant believe a media outlet has gone from that to "he had an interest in the Boston Bombings!" it is that type of journalism that makes me angry

 

[lawstudent]

To me, that phrase plus the flight simulator plus the keyboard strokes tell me that this flight crew- I think the pilot and co-pilot were in cahoots- planned to steal this plane. I hope they kept the passengers alive as hostages, but I'm worried now that they have this plane well-hidden, and will use it for some future terrorist attack. There's also the political leanings of the pilot- some have said his family moved the day beforehand- that's fishy too...

I agree the keyboard strokes indicate the crew, but why the phrase? If they were involved, wouldn't they try to act as non-suspiciously as possible? Or if they wanted to let them know something was wrong, say something more direct? Why deviate slightly from normal sign off and give a polite good night?

 

[songline]

I saw that video on Anderson Cooper and I thought WTF..as if someone just happened to video them going thru security on the day the plane goes missing and then post it on You Tube!...ya right ..
so it was a family member?

Maybe he told them see you in the next life....
And they knew.

 

[Bravo]

If any of our computers had a forensic looky loo we all would be royally screwed :facepalm:

 

[HMSHood]

Sometimes I feel that this plane never existed!

This comes to mind.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3mAR6cwUGQ"]Coast To Coast Am (Theme Song) - YouTube[/ame]

:floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:

 

[lawstudent]

Is the "all right, good night" a translation of the Malaysian spoken, or was it in English, and if in English, why when he was speaking to Malaysian atc...

I think the international language for pilots is English - since different ATCs don't have staff that speak every conceivable language, there has to be some default language for international flights. I don't know how they decide when to use it. But I know there have been controversies in crashes before with pilots switching or misunderstanding languages.

 

[buffetoflies]

I've seen reports write the final words as either "All right, good night" or "Alright, good night." Grammatically, both words are different. The first one means everything is good here, whereas the second one means okay (as in agreeing with someone/thing).

I'm probably just nit-picking here though because I'm a grammar Nazi :blushing:

Alright, like the air traffic control person told him to do 'something'?

 

[revampz]

I think the international language for pilots is English - since different ATCs don't have staff that speak every conceivable language, there has to be some default language for international flights. I don't know how they decide when to use it. But I know there have been controversies in crashes before with pilots switching or misunderstanding languages.

thanks makes sense

 

[lawstudent]

If any of our computers had a forensic looky loo we all would be royally screwed :facepalm:

Not even if our computers were taken - governments monitor forums and trace IP addresses...I assume the government knows I look up all types of suspicious things and don't act on them. They have bigger things to worry about. What worries me more is if the government made such information available, the public and media would want us all locked up as violence-obsessed threats. It's quite easy to twist.

 

[Boodles]

Change in Plane’s Path Was Entered via Computer

excerpt

Instead of manually operating the plane’s controls, whoever altered Flight 370’s path typed seven or eight keystrokes into a computer on a knee-high pedestal between the captain and the first officer, according to officials. The Flight Management System, as the computer is known, directs the plane from point to point specified in the flight plan submitted before each flight. It is not clear whether the plane’s path was reprogrammed before or after it took off.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/18/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-flight.html?_r=0

How do they "know" this? Did they say how they could discern this?

 

[ElleElle]

I knew I should not have replied because people are going to try to turn my post all the wrong ways.

I thought I was very clear but obviously not.

I was replying to a specific post that someone said he posted on Victims FB site and was basing it on a statistic that we have no way of knowing unless someone does some analysis of 1000 NON-US people to see if they posted condolences on the victims FB account. Since we have no way of knowing if that is unusual or not, it is probably not worth discussing anymore.

I clearly said if he did this, it means he felt for the people and I tried to point a correlation that he obviously felt for his friend too and attended a trial for him. So, to me only, that indicates this person has strong beliefs in things and actually takes ACTION where some people (again we have no way of knowing statistically) would probably not take that sort of action.

I wont be replying anymore on this topic as it is too easy to be twisted all the wrong ways.

:seeya: I know that feeling.

Hang in there, I understood you. Perhaps from other threads.

 

[newone]

It's American slang for crazy, based on stories of people who wore homemade tin-foil hats to keep "aliens" from hearing their thoughts. I have no idea whether such stories were true or apocryphal.

bbm

and/or NSA according to Snowden

 

[LinasK]

Guy on CNN just said probably NOT pilot suicide, because you wouldn't fly another 4-5 hours after turning to do that!

 

[Bravo]

Guy on CNN just said probably NOT pilot suicide, because you wouldn't fly another 4-5 hours after turning to do that!

Agree. I dismissed that theory earlier based on what you posted.