Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #9

[stx722]

Another aircraf,t SIA68, was

- in the immediate vicinity as the missing MH370 flight at precisely the same time.

- was en-route on a heading towards the same IGREX waypoint on airway P628 that the Malaysian military radar had shown MH370 headed towards at precisely the same time.


Would it be possible for MH370 to fly in the "shadow" of another plane, in order to avoid being detected by radar? Someone (on tumblr, so I can't post link it, since it's no MSM) suggests it eventually flew (without transponder / ADS-B, therefore invisible to other aircrafts) in the shadow of SIA68 through India and Afghanistan. When they entered Indian airspace, both planes would have shown up as one single blip on the radar with only the transponder information of SIA68 lighting up ATC and military radar screens.

Here's an image of the flight path from March, 8 when MH370 went missing.

http://de.flightaware.com/live/flight/SIA68/history/20140307/1640Z/WSSS/LEBL

One can also check the track log for Mar,8:

http://de.flightaware.com/live/flight/SIA68/history/20140307/1640Z/WSSS/LEBL/tracklog

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However I can't imagine there's only one plane detected by radar, assuming MH370 really flew in SIA68's shadow.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think some expert said on CNN that even though many countries clame their radar system's to be precise, some are still in need of improvement and IIRC he even said that if MH370 flew at a lower altitude, it might very well not have been detected, depending on how well-engineered the specific radar systems are, so mhm.

The shadowing idea has been discussed before, and I find it plausible, but I keep thinking wouldn't the other plane's radar (plane being shadowed) pick up a radar signature of the approaching other aircraft? Maybe not if the transponder is turned off? Any pilot types that can answer this?

 

[ElleElle]

Since they did not ask to fly together IF THERE IS a 3rd party it would have to be the person who does scheduling. I think.
I definitly think they shoud be investigated just saying....

ITA. Everyone from the ground crew, to ATC to ? should be investigated.

As I said before, start from the inside and work out. Which, honestly, I think would take a long time since Malaysia's computer systems do not seem technologically sound, imo.

 

[LinasK]

Agree. I dismissed that theory earlier based on what you posted.

He also said it eliminates sudden incapacitation of the crew or system failure like a fire...

 

[Bravo]

I sure wish we knew when that flight plan was re-programmed. I still lean toward the plane being taken over. Evident to me by the extreme numbers in altitude changes. Still indicates a struggle to me.

 

[LinasK]

ITA. Everyone from the ground crew, to ATC to ? should be investigated.

As I said before, start from the inside and work out. Which, honestly, I think would take a long time since Malaysia's computer systems do not seem technologically sound, imo.

I also read/saw today somewhere that the Malaysian ATC was supposed to notify Vietnam's ATC that the plane would be transferring to their airspace shortly. Do we know if this happened? Otherwise, they are at fault too, or in on it...

 

[Plumeria5]

Kyle Iboshi ‏@KyleIboshi 1h

Portland man was neighbors with captain of missing Malaysian Airlines Flight 370. His story soon on @KGWNews

https://twitter.com/KyleIboshi

 

[aa9511]

Re: Computer programmed

This does not, to me, send alarm bells off that the pilots were involved.

Whoever hijacked this plane, at least whoever was involved in the cockpit side of it, obviously had piloting/aviation skills.

This was all planned out.

Whoever did this, had a plan.

It was not done willy-nilly, ok let's just turn here and there.

It was all planned out, planned in GREAT detail.

The hijackers obviously knew how to program the flight computer. They knew how to turn trasponder off. They knew how to turn ACARS off. They knew how to fly the plane. And possibly, how to land the plane.

Planning, planning, planning.

So just b/c they programmed something in (according to plan), does not mean that the pilots are necessarily involved.

JMO.

 

[ElleElle]

Great steal the plane....Just give the people thier lives back.

BBM ~ That is the hope, and I don't blame the loved ones for holding onto hope.

 

[LinasK]

I sure wish we knew when that flight plan was re-programmed. I still lean toward the plane being taken over. Evident to me by the extreme numbers in altitude changes. Still indicates a struggle to me.

My latest personal theory is that this pilot was rehearsing flying at different altitudes on his simulator or other such strategies that he'd be using, kinda like when kids who shoot up schools practice on violent video games...

 

[LadyL]

This is an interesting new article that the pilot may have been trying to send a secret signal that something was wrong.

Was Malaysian co-pilot's last message to base a secret distress signal? Officials investigate possibility unusual sign-off may have indicated something was wrong

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...usual-sign-indicated-wrong.html#ixzz2wH2jfv2r

they've been reading here :wink:

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

This comes to mind.

Coast To Coast Am (Theme Song) - YouTube

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[PoirotryInMotion]

Cyber-terrorism:

NDTV ‏@ndtv 12m

Path of missing plane #MH370 seen as altered via flight computer http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/computer-sent-missing-plane-off-flight-path-496793 …

Instead of manually operating the plane's controls, whoever altered Flight 370's path typed seven or eight keystrokes into a computer on a knee-high pedestal between the captain and the first officer, according to officials. The Flight Management System, as the computer is known, directs the plane from point to point specified in the flight plan submitted before each flight. It is not clear whether the plane's path was reprogrammed before or after it took off.

The fact that the turn away from Beijing was programmed into the computer has reinforced the belief of investigators - first voiced by Malaysian officials - that the plane was deliberately diverted and that foul play was involved. It has also increased their focus on the plane's captain and first officer.

Though, JMO, but it could also have possibly been done by someone forcibly entering the cockpit and doing that, even without the pilots' cooperation. (Last week's shoe-bomb testimony comes to mind...)

Again, this article:

The pilot of flight MH370 could have landed the plane on a remote, unsealed landing strip just 45 metres wide and 1500 metres long somewhere in central Asia, the former head of the Australian and International Pilots Association, Barry Jackson, says.

The comments come as hijacking has emerged as a more realistic possibility than previously thought and the search area for the plane increased to include parts of the Indian Ocean seen as Australia's responsibility.

An al-Qaeda supergrass told a New York court last week that four to five Malaysian men had been planning to take control of a plane, using a bomb hidden in a shoe to blow open the cockpit door.

Security experts said the evidence from a convicted British terrorist was ''credible''.

The supergrass said that he had met the Malaysian jihadists - one of whom was a pilot - in Afghanistan and given them a shoe bomb to use to take control of an aircraft.

A British security source said: ''These spectaculars take a long time in the planning.''

http://www.smh.com.au/national/rogu...ad-of-aipa-20140316-34vmp.html?skin=text-only

 

[ElleElle]

I TOTALLY agree.

There is "confusion" on purpose, IMO.

I remember in the very first few days, when they were still searching South China Sea, there were reports that the plane might have "turned west."

It was during the time everyone was still focused on the ocean right where the plane went off radar.

Then, it turned out that those reports were true.

Meaning, Malaysia obviously had this information from early, early on, I'm thinking the very first day. Also, they would have had their own defense information certainly that same day (that there was a plane on military radar).

Meanwhile, what did China do?

China sent everyone to a totally different location - way East, based on some satellite image of a supposed plane that they DID NOT RELEASE close-up zoomed views of.

The arc path, if one takes the idea that the plane flew to the north side of the projected arc, would have taken it MOSTLY across one country - China.

I am beginning to view China in a very suspicious light right now.

BBM ~ Well, we know for fact, MH370 was mostly Chinese passengers. :waitasec:

 

[MLO]

Not even if our computers were taken - governments monitor forums and trace IP addresses...I assume the government knows I look up all types of suspicious things and don't act on them. They have bigger things to worry about. What worries me more is if the government made such information available, the public and media would want us all locked up as violence-obsessed threats. It's quite easy to twist.

Exactly. I mean if the public were told that someone had posted on the internet 30 times about the rape and murder of an 8 year old girl, and their search history showed they searched for news twice a day for 3 months. Would that seem suspicious? Less suspicious than someone posting condolences for the victims of something tragic.

It would all seem pretty normal to the people of websleuths, but to your neighbours? the general public? would they see you as a paedophile, or a kindly old lady who feels they are helping?

 

[jmcgladr]

To me, that phrase plus the flight simulator plus the keyboard strokes tell me that this flight crew- I think the pilot and co-pilot were in cahoots- planned to steal this plane. I hope they kept the passengers alive as hostages, but I'm worried now that they have this plane well-hidden, and will use it for some future terrorist attack. There's also the political leanings of the pilot- some have said his family moved the day beforehand- that's fishy too...

But I read that the political party he supported was pro-democracy, in addition to being an "official" opposition party to the party in power. It wasn't a brutal dictator he was supporting, or anything like that! Nor is it a Muslim extremist party. In fact, I'd say the ruling party in Malaysia is WAY more extremist, considering they just had Ibrahim jailed for 5 years for being homosexual! If politics figured in at all, it may be that Captain Shah was depressed or saddened by Ibrahim's verdict, and/or his wife and children leaving the house and decided on suicide (although I think that's a long shot). But I'm getting kind of sick of people referring to Shah as a "political extremist." Politically involved, sure, but many of us are!

 

[ilovepierre]

Alright, like the air traffic control person told him to do 'something'?

Possibly.
That's how I interpret 'alright' when it's used.
He could have been told to do something, and then shortly after that transmission, communications were turned off and the plane was off the radar.

 

[deoneta]

Sorry I can't keep up, but I have a question. Today, I'm hearing about the pilot's wife and children leaving their home again. Wasn't that debunked as a possible triggering event because she was only staying at another home they owned? Or has it been un-debunked?

 

[AlwaysShocked]

Boy, the TV shows need to fill time badly. They have "experts" on who are just speculating wildly. Some of them are obviously behind on their facts. (Not like those of us who post here at WS!)

Some guy is on there saying "But if the pilot wanted to committ suicide why would he need to keep the plane flying out over the ocean?" Because he was NOT flying the plane at that point.

Once he had been up at 45,000ft, which was way, way back, shortly after the transponder was turned off, if he had turned off the oxygen and put a portable oxygen tank with mask onto himself prior, everyone else on the plane would have been dead in just a few minutes.

After that, once he passed over Malaysia and was undetected by radar, he was out over water. He could have gone back up to 45,000ft or down to 2,000ft. undetected by anyone. He also could have programmed the plane to take him up high again at just about the time the oxygen was going to run out in his portable oxygen system. Thus, he would pass out painlessly, plane could return via auto-pilot programming to normal flight altitude and would just fly until it ran out of fuel.

 

[Plumeria5]

Portland man defends captain.

http://www.kgw.com/home/Portland-man-defends-Malaysian-pilot--250707711.html

 

[Bravo]

My latest personal theory is that this pilot was rehearsing flying at different altitudes on his simulator or other such strategies that he'd be using, kinda like when kids who shoot up schools practice on violent video games...

I hear what you are saying but why? Why would you take a plane to altitudes it was not designed for. It could have been all over in that moment. Especially if your mission was to deliver that plane.