Found Deceased Malaysia - Nora Quoirin, 15, from UK, special needs, missing on vacation, Seremban, 4 Aug 2019 #6

[kittythehare]

It seems strange to me that in 10 days of searching Nora's clothes were not found.

I read an article describing her nightwear was minimal, just knickers because of the heat, must be in past day or two. Probably here.

 

[Eloise]

It seems strange to me that in 10 days of searching Nora's clothes were not found.

I agree with kittythehare, I remember that being all she was wearing to sleep in. It's not uncommon for children with intellectual disabilities to have sensory issues with clothing, plus it was hot. It doesn't strike me as unusual or weird for that to be the case.

 

[kittythehare]

The Dusun @ Seremban
(Pictures/narrative from a former guest which helped refresh my memories of the house)

“There are no doors, windows or blinds separating the living room from the deck and the grounds beyond, which is both a good and bad thing, depending on your perspective. “

*That open balcony would have scared me with a 5 year old and an 8 year old.

“The loft holds a double and a single mattress. It’s a little hotter up here than downstairs but like the rest of the house, there are an abundance of ceiling and floor fans. “

*Downstairs is a double bed. 3 kids?

“Mosquito nets and electric vape matts keep the mossies off, which is essential as The Dusun doesn’t fog (for environmental reasons), but at night lights will attract flying bugs, that in turn will attract lizards and geckos (our resident gecko said hello to us), and anything they leave behind (like dead insects and poop) will attract ants. If all those insects and reptiles creeping and flying about freaks you out then a stay at The Dusun will be out of your comfort zone.”

*Everything is open, especially the downstairs area - no air conditioning.
Probably would have left a light on for Nora? So the kids could find a bathroom?

*An open unsecured outside/inside concept resort would not be my first choice with young children. Perhaps they used special locks on their doors at home or a baby type monitor.
JMO

Great link, thanks.
I found this link within it, this is the faq section,
I found it interesting in light of the litigation..
FAQ - The Dusun

Is the Dusun wheelchair friendly?
Unfortunately, no. We are on a hill and there are many steps between all the different areas.

Is the Dusun suitable for children?
Many children have enjoyed the Dusun. It is a different experience from the city as they can peer at fish and tadpoles, watch frogs hop around and look out for birds in the trees. We have a playground, a kid’s pool, a high chair available for guests. We also have a little deer park. We recommend bringing mosquito repellant cream for children.

Please do not add children to your booking request as our booking system does not allow children, but we do. Please email us if you have children with you so we can prepare the room.

Please keep a close eye on your children while you are on the Dusun.
It also includes a wee map

It does seem to be rather unsuitable for children with physical disabilities.
More like upmarket AirB&B.. without any services, or very minimal.

Again, in the context of the litigation
Do you have Wifi?
We have wifi on the Dining Patio but not in the houses. Our wifi is limited. If you would like to watch something, we suggest downloading it before you arrive.

Is there mobile phone service there?
Yes, we do receive mobile service from Celcom and patchy service from other providers.

What do you mean by self-catering?
Once you arrive and are shown to your house, we pretty much leave you alone. Staff clean occupied houses in the morning (for those who stay longer than 1 night). We do not have 24-hour reception. We have staff on duty from 8am to 7pm. If you need anything please make your request before 7pm. However, there is always someone available to attend to emergencies at night.
'm not sure a security system was advertised as part of the deal here.
I wonder what the other guests noticed, if anything at all out of the ordinary.
This mystery keeps getting more mysterious, not less so.
More questions than answers.

 

[Cascadia Mount]

The Dusun @ Seremban
(Pictures/narrative from a former guest which helped refresh my memories of the house)

“There are no doors, windows or blinds separating the living room from the deck and the grounds beyond, which is both a good and bad thing, depending on your perspective. “

*That open balcony would have scared me with a 5 year old and an 8 year old.

“The loft holds a double and a single mattress. It’s a little hotter up here than downstairs but like the rest of the house, there are an abundance of ceiling and floor fans. “

*Downstairs is a double bed. 3 kids?

“Mosquito nets and electric vape matts keep the mossies off, which is essential as The Dusun doesn’t fog (for environmental reasons), but at night lights will attract flying bugs, that in turn will attract lizards and geckos (our resident gecko said hello to us), and anything they leave behind (like dead insects and poop) will attract ants. If all those insects and reptiles creeping and flying about freaks you out then a stay at The Dusun will be out of your comfort zone.”

*Everything is open, especially the downstairs area - no air conditioning.
Probably would have left a light on for Nora? So the kids could find a bathroom?

*An open unsecured outside/inside concept resort would not be my first choice with young children. Perhaps they used special locks on their doors at home or a baby type monitor.
JMO

Nora's sister and brother were 12 and 8.

 

[Alyce]

It is long, narrow almost floor length window that looked like you could just step out of it. She may have thought that it was a door of some kind.

It's not floor level on the outside and the drop looks bigger than the inside. I think it would have been quite difficult for Nora to manage.

Nora Quoirin's window 'was broken so could have been opened from outside'

 

[Alyce]

I got the book for free on Kindle Unlimited
Not All Who Wander Are Lost: NORA QUOIRIN
I wouldn't suggest paying for it--it's all speculation.

There were a few points he made that I had not previously known - particularly his chat with the journalist.

Other than that, I think for anyone who had followed the case last year, it was all information that we already knew. For someone who had not followed the news, it would probably have made useful reading.

 

[Alyce]

This is from last week's testimony but I have not seen it posted so far.



The owner of The Dusun eco-resort said today that the villa where Nora Anne Quoirin had stayed with her family before she died required a considerable amount of fixing, including replacing its faulty windows.

General manager Haanim Bamadhaj testified today that she obtained a renovation quotation in April, to renovate Sora House villa. But the renovation could only commence in October, after The Quoirins’ stay.

“We needed to replace the windows because it was difficult to close them,”
Haanim spoke from Germany via Zoom, adding that the windows could open on its own. “We tried to add new latches on the windows, on top of the old latches, but those broke so we decided to replace the windows anyway.”




Resort owner says villa where Nora Anne Quoirin stayed needed fixing

 

[Alyce]

Inquest update


SEREMBAN, Sept 1 ― A post-mortem examination of Nora Anne Quoirin did not turn up any trace of foreign DNA, government chemist Nor Aidora Saedon testified at the Coroner’s Court today.

Nor Aidora, the sixth witness in the inquest that started on August 24, said her findings were derived from an analysis of exhibits given to her by the authorities.

DNA in time will degrade and be lost. However in the case where a body is found, generally it is suggested that the outside of the body, definitely foreign DNA is difficult to find due to the environment. Malaysia is hot and humid, therefore DNA degrades very fast as compared to four seasons countries.




No foreign DNA found in or on body, govt chemist testifies in Nora Anne Quoirin inquest | Malay Mail

 

[HongKongPhooey]

Inquest update


SEREMBAN, Sept 1 ― A post-mortem examination of Nora Anne Quoirin did not turn up any trace of foreign DNA, government chemist Nor Aidora Saedon testified at the Coroner’s Court today.

Nor Aidora, the sixth witness in the inquest that started on August 24, said her findings were derived from an analysis of exhibits given to her by the authorities.

DNA in time will degrade and be lost. However in the case where a body is found, generally it is suggested that the outside of the body, definitely foreign DNA is difficult to find due to the environment. Malaysia is hot and humid, therefore DNA degrades very fast as compared to four seasons countries.




No foreign DNA found in or on body, govt chemist testifies in Nora Anne Quoirin inquest | Malay Mail

This makes sense to me. Other than the gross obvious, which was clearly not present thank goodness, other DNA would be from hairs (which the elements could easily dislodge) or I'm thinking touch points where sweat could have left something. Little chance of finding anything from those in that environment either.

 

[HongKongPhooey]

It's not floor level on the outside and the drop looks bigger than the inside. I think it would have been quite difficult for Nora to manage.

Nora Quoirin's window 'was broken so could have been opened from outside'

Unless the kids were making a game out of climbing in and out of it, I just cant see anyone choosing this window as their exit. With balance issues, I think she could well have scraped her legs on the sill at the very least. And landed heavily outside.

 

[Ruthbullock]

It seems strange to me that in 10 days of searching Nora's clothes were not found.

I think it might just have been a pair of knickers, so a bit of a needle in a haystack especially if they weren’t a bright colour. Plus an animal might have run away with them.

 

[Ruthbullock]

Random thought, but if the window didn’t secure- is it possible she exited via the door and it blew the window open?

 

[Ruthbullock]

Scrap that apparently they know categorically she exited via the window- found a quote from the police chief. Looking at the window it’s not hard to get out of- even a one year old could do it. You sit on your bum as it floor level and put your feet outside, then you stand up with a very small, if at all drop, requires no strength and is a technique we teach our youngest children to get down steps and stairs safely. It’s also an OT technique taught to those with limited or no lower level mobility. It requires no physical strength as gravity does its stuff, getting back in though would require upper body strength and is a difficult manoeuvre if your mobility was restricted in anyway. Personally I still find it hard to believe her mobility was that impaired as it was confirmed at the inquest today they were hiking up to the waterfall on the 5th and had booked a tour guide. Supporting someone to walk for 10 minutes or so on an even surface is one thing supporting someone who can’t walk unaided for two plus hours on an uneven uphill path and then repeating coming downwards again would be a feat even for the most athletic of us.

 

[Alyce]

Scrap that apparently they know categorically she exited via the window- found a quote from the police chief. Looking at the window it’s not hard to get out of- even a one year old could do it. You sit on your bum as it floor level and put your feet outside, then you stand up with a very small, if at all drop, requires no strength and is a technique we teach our youngest children to get down steps and stairs safely. It’s also an OT technique taught to those with limited or no lower level mobility. It requires no physical strength as gravity does its stuff, getting back in though would require upper body strength and is a difficult manoeuvre if your mobility was restricted in anyway. Personally I still find it hard to believe her mobility was that impaired as it was confirmed at the inquest today they were hiking up to the waterfall on the 5th and had booked a tour guide. Supporting someone to walk for 10 minutes or so on an even surface is one thing supporting someone who can’t walk unaided for two plus hours on an uneven uphill path and then repeating coming downwards again would be a feat even for the most athletic of us.

BIB One - although, interestingly, they have never actually explained how they know categorically that Nora exited via the window....

BIB Two But it is not floor level - there's a good foot or more drop down to the floor on the inner / house side

 

[kittythehare]

BIB One - although, interestingly, they have never actually explained how they know categorically that Nora exited via the window....

BIB Two But it is not floor level - there's a good foot or more drop down to the floor on the inner / house side

Did tHe Mirror actually use photo of the correct house? They stayed in The Sora.. Let's look at it from the brochure and map afresh?
Where is link that states they know definitively she exited the window?
ETA, damnit, the Sora is not pictured in their recent brochure, will have a search
Map of the Dusun - The Dusun
Edit again

The Sora house - Picture of The Dusun, Seremban - Tripadvisor

 

[Jax49]

Did tHe Mirror actually use photo of the correct house? They stayed in The Sora.. Let's look at it from the brochure and map afresh?
Where is link that states they know definitively she exited the window?
ETA, damnit, the Sora is not pictured in their recent brochure, will have a search
Map of the Dusun - The Dusun

"Only the glass window exit was used. We are certain about this," a police officer told Malaysian media earlier today.

Cops release pics of window mysteriously propped open after Nora, 15, vanished

 

[Ruthbullock]

double post dbm

 

[Ruthbullock]

Oh - found a better picture you are right. Although then the ledge looks wide enough to sit and spin on, so same theory.

BIB One - although, interestingly, they have never actually explained how they know categorically that Nora exited via the window....

BIB Two But it is not floor level - there's a good foot or more drop down to the floor on the inner / house side

Found a different photo angle and you are right, but the ledge looks wide enough to sit on and rotate around, still easier to get out, but not as easy to get back in.
I’m not sure why they were so certain it was this window either- I have a vague recollection that her sibling said she went out of it right back in the early days- but I can’t find it anywhere now.

Cops release pics of window mysteriously propped open after Nora, 15, vanished

thank you @Jax49

 

[evilwise]

Between that window and the wide open deck, that cabin would have been hazardously easy to fall out of and more difficult to climb back into if the front door was locked, which would actually be counterproductive.

 

[Alyce]

Did tHe Mirror actually use photo of the correct house? They stayed in The Sora.. Let's look at it from the brochure and map afresh?
Where is link that states they know definitively she exited the window?
ETA, damnit, the Sora is not pictured in their recent brochure, will have a search
Map of the Dusun - The Dusun
Edit again

The Sora house - Picture of The Dusun, Seremban - Tripadvisor

the photos are in my post #349... click for enlarged view

they do seem to have removed Sora from their website