Marauding pit bulls attack six - 10 year old boy, Critical

[Jeana (DP)]

Do Ya'll Think We Should Merge This Thread With That Other One?

 

[Casshew]

This happened in a suburb of Toronto over the weekend. (Sorry for the CAPS - the article was printed this way)


A TWO-YEAR-OLD PITBULL NAMED "COPPER" COULD BE THE FIRST DOG DESTROYED UNDER A NEW PROVINCIAL PIT BULL LAW. "COPPER" WAS ON A LEASH, BUT WASN'T MUZZLED, WHEN HE ATTACKED ANOTHER DOG ON THE WEEKEND IN SCARBOROUGH.

TORONTO PUBLIC HEALTH TELLS AM640 TORONTO RADIO A DECISION ON "COPPER" FATE WON'T COME UNTIL TOMORROW AT THE EARLIEST.

PITBULLS ARE TO BE MUZZLED WHEN OFF THE OWNER'S PROPERTY, ALTHOUGH THIS OWNER SAYS THEY WEREN'T AWARE OF THE NEW LAW.


http://www.640toronto.com/news/metro.cfm?cat=7428109912&rem=2355

 

[Tricia]

That's the stat I needed[/size]So, 21% of all fatalities caused by 1-3% of the dogs. That makes pit bulls 700% more likely to inflict a serious attack (at the best interpretation here) than the average dog. Pit bulls are a problem.

I think it's a combanation of the dog being bred to kill, which it was in the beginning, and owners who don't think their little angel pit bull would ever hurt anyone.

Michael J. Fox has 3 pit bulls. He has had them since his kids were little tots too.

They scare the crap out of me. They really do.

What purpose does it serve society to have a very vicious breed amongst us?

I know pit bull owners will go on and on about how wonderful their dogs are but these dogs have the built in ability to go nuts and kill. Plain and simple. It's black and white.

Do all pit bulls attack? No but, like the stats show, the largest percentage, by a long shot, of killings are done by pit bulls.

With so many dogs being put to death because they can't find a home why should we allow these breeds in our neighborhoods?

 

[Details]

Do Ya'll Think We Should Merge This Thread With That Other One?

Yeah, it's kinda distracting having two places discussing this.

 

[Casshew]

With so many dogs being put to death because they can't find a home why should we allow these breeds in our neighborhoods?

Tricia, have you met JaneB?

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Yeah, it's kinda distracting having two places discussing this.

Done.

 

[SadieMae]

That's the stat I needed[/size]So, 21% of all fatalities caused by 1-3% of the dogs. That makes pit bulls 700% more likely to inflict a serious attack (at the best interpretation here) than the average dog. Pit bulls are a problem.

I agree but try explaining that to the Pit bull owners, they will never see their breed of dog as a problem. Seems so obvious!!!:banghead: :banghead:

 

[kgeaux]

Curly,

LEts not digress.
There are a few points I would ask you to answer.

Do you dispute that a pitbull, once in attack mode, its more dangerous then another dog??
They do not let go, they try to kill. Most other breeds do not do this.

.

I'm not curly! But I do know that it is a myth that pitbulls can "lock" their jaws and that they won't let go. They do have very powerful jaws, many breeds do, but no dog can lock its jaw.

My dog's first lesson was "drop it." We'd give him something, tell him to drop it and give him a treat when he opened his mouth and let go.....Ninja will open his mouth even though nothing is in it now. This is a very important lesson for ANY dog, because you want to have as much control over their behavior as you can.

My dog was running around our fenced yard and caught a squirrel. I yelled drop it, and he did. It's like pavlov's dog.

 

[Tricia]

I'm not curly! But I do know that it is a myth that pitbulls can "lock" their jaws and that they won't let go. They do have very powerful jaws, many breeds do, but no dog can lock its jaw.

My dog's first lesson was "drop it." We'd give him something, tell him to drop it and give him a treat when he opened his mouth and let go.....Ninja will open his mouth even though nothing is in it now. This is a very important lesson for ANY dog, because you want to have as much control over their behavior as you can.

My dog was running around our fenced yard and caught a squirrel. I yelled drop it, and he did. It's like pavlov's dog.

Look, here is the deal.

Maybe it's all the horror stories I have read in the news that makes me so scared of Pit Bulls. I don't know what the answer is. But the only way to keep society safe, if the stats are correct, is to not allow the breed.

Like I said with so many other dogs needing homes why do we need Pit Bulls?

 

[Tricia]

Tricia, have you met JaneB?

OhhhMyyyGoooooodddnees.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Tricia, have you met JaneB?

MAKE SURE YOU SEE THIS VIDEO AND GET SOME EDUMACATION

Okay, whose Punking us? This has GOT to be a plant!

 

[sandraladeda]

Tricia, have you met JaneB?

Holy cow, Janie, has y'all ever heard of indenting? New paragraph perhaps? A little less yellin'? :doh:

 

[sandraladeda]

I remember this story from last year here in Calgary, about a "family pet" owned by someone who thought she could "overcome the stereotype"...

http://www.dufferinpark.ca/dogs/pdf/ownerbacksban.pdf

Also, very informative article -
http://www.city-journal.org/html/9_2_scared_of_pit.html

Still lookng for article from the past couple months here in Calgary - another pit bull fan who changed her mind and euthanized her pet after it attacked....

 

[SadieMae]

Holy cow, Janie, has y'all ever heard of indenting? New paragraph perhaps? A little less yellin'? :doh:

And she said WE need an EDUMACATION!!!

 

[Casshew]

Come on guys, that was just a typo - you can tell she is passionate about what she speaks. I think she has a little pitbull in her blood though

 

[CyberLaw]

Casshew:

Well when she said "our breed", I do think that she was being truthful and accurate.

Her post really kind of proves the point that some have been making..........about the type of people who "advocate" the ownership of pit bulls.

I was offended by her tone and form of her post.......talk about agressive.........

 

[Casshew]

I was offended by her tone and form of her post.......talk about agressive.........

Did you read all her posts or just that one? she calmed down after a bit. she sure came out fightin' though.. for a first post!

 

[Amraann]

I am still waiting for those vicious golden retriever attack statistics ...... .


Kgeaux, I think that you have taken the time to train your PB indicates your a careful owner. I did not say they lock their jaws.. ALthough I did liken them to gators ... I just meant they do not let go easily.

However as I said many pages ago I think that the solution is to act like we would with anyone who owns a potentially dangerous pet.
I personally think that to make ownership more difficult would keep more people safe and less dogs abused. Less backyard breeders who are irresponsible breeding ... also a HEAVY Fine for those not complying and if someone is injured then jail time.
If it requires PB owners to do more and breeders more accountable then most who breed or own dogs I think it would help.
Also I think it should be mandatory to keep the dog muzzled.
I like that law. Such a simple thing.

Just muzzle them. It may not be full proof but better then now.

 

[SadieMae]

I think it's a combanation of the dog being bred to kill, which it was in the beginning, and owners who don't think their little angel pit bull would ever hurt anyone.

Michael J. Fox has 3 pit bulls. He has had them since his kids were little tots too.

They scare the crap out of me. They really do.

What purpose does it serve society to have a very vicious breed amongst us?

I know pit bull owners will go on and on about how wonderful their dogs are but these dogs have the built in ability to go nuts and kill. Plain and simple. It's black and white.

Do all pit bulls attack? No but, like the stats show, the largest percentage, by a long shot, of killings are done by pit bulls.

With so many dogs being put to death because they can't find a home why should we allow these breeds in our neighborhoods?

Tricia, I doubt the ones he has were bred to be junkyard dogs. I don't really think his are the problem. He most likely got his from a very reputable breeder who has a history for his dogs lineage and temperament. The ones I see are the problem are being sold for $50.00 out of somebody's back yard.

 

[kgeaux]

I am still waiting for those vicious golden retriever attack statistics ...... .


Kgeaux, I think that you have taken the time to train your PB indicates your a careful owner. I did not say they lock their jaws.. ALthough I did liken them to gators ... I just meant they do not let go easily.

However as I said many pages ago I think that the solution is to act like we would with anyone who owns a potentially dangerous pet.
I personally think that to make ownership more difficult would keep more people safe and less dogs abused. Less backyard breeders who are irresponsible breeding ... also a HEAVY Fine for those not complying and if someone is injured then jail time.
If it requires PB owners to do more and breeders more accountable then most who breed or own dogs I think it would help.
Also I think it should be mandatory to keep the dog muzzled.
I like that law. Such a simple thing.

Just muzzle them. It may not be full proof but better then now.

I'm sorry I misunderstood you! I hear the "they lock their jaws" story so much maybe I'm a little quick to jump the gun!! Sorry 'bout that.

"Potentially dangerous" is a wonderful way to describe the way all of us who own large animals should view our pets. My sons--when we first got Ninja--were inclined to think of him as a big teddy bear. I drilled it into their heads that Ninja was very loving to us and served us very well, but he was sort of like having a gun in the house, we needed to take special precautions with him, because the potential for damage existed. There are certain ways you can't play with this type of animal, for instance, because it will encourage agressiveness.

My dog now loves his muzzle. If we say "Do you want to go for a walk?" he runs to get the muzzle to bring it to us. I would support a muzzle law in my area, so long as it was required of any "dangerous" breed, and not just one. And as far as I am concerned NO dog should ever be out unleashed. Even sweet lil pups need to be protected from running out into traffic as well as protecting others from them! (In other words, owners ought to leash their dogs for the dog's own protection if the owner is too dull to see the need to leash the dog for other reasons.)

I did talk earlier about how my city/parish tried to outlaw pits and found that they could not. What they did pass was a requirement that anyone who had an animal that was deemed dangerous was required to have a fence of a certain height and had to provide protective measures to keep other animals and humans safe. There are huge fines. Insurance is required, lots of pro-active measures. We still have many pits in my area, and since the law was passed, I think only one dog was deemed dangerous--a german shepherd.

To be deemed dangerous, a pet has to have made aggressive moves toward other animals or people. It can be as simple as an unprovoked growling lunge or as horrible as an actual attack. It's not breed specific, in other words. Once a pet is deemed dangerous, no insurance company in the world, not even LLoyds of London will provide liability insurance, so the owners are "forced" to get rid of the dog by by putting the animal down, which is as it should be.

I love my dog and I grieve that many dogs of all breeds are feared and hated and never given a chance to enjoy the close human companionship they so desire, but I understand exactly how many of you feel, because I felt the exact same way 4 years ago.