Max's back injuries

[elfie]

BBM

Regarding Dina's demands of what Rebecca was not allowed to do:

"And she would not go to functions at Phoenix Country Day School, where Max attended kindergarten."

But Rebecca was allowed to do the following with Max:

Drive him and pick him up from school

Feed him breakfast lunch and dinner

Take him to and from soccer practice

Make sure he was clean, washed behind his ears, brushed his teeth, combed his hair, tied his shoes, put his shirt on the right way and said his prayers at bedtime

Read him bedtime stories and listen to his stories

Share adventures, good times and problems but she was not allowed to attend any school functions and that was one of the things that gave Dina peace of mind. Hmmm.

I hadn't read this before. This is disappointing to read because it does imply that Dina didn't mind Rebecca taking over the myriad aspects of Max's care and nurturing, but simply did not want Rebecca to appear to be a major presence in his life.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

BBM


But Rebecca was allowed to do the following with Max:

Make sure he was clean, washed behind his ears, brushed his teeth, combed his hair, tied his shoes, put his shirt on the right way and said his prayers at bedtime

Read him bedtime stories and listen to his stories

Share adventures, good times and problems but she was not allowed to attend any school functions and that was one of the things that gave Dina peace of mind. Hmmm.

Can you give a link that shows Rebecca did these things? What type of bedtime stories did she read him? What type of adventures, good times and problems? It sounds like you have insider information? Can you share specifics?

As far as Rebecca tying his shoes, I thought the people that think she was murdered said she did not know how to tie loops and knots...

 

[MyBelle]

I agree. Imo, Dina is bucking for an out of court settlement. She has not presented her concerns that Max was a homicide victim in any coherent or legitimate format. I agree with K_Z's previous analysis on the matter and believe if Dina were truly sincere she would have used the medical records and Dr. Peterson's findings to bolster her fight.

However, Dina used Dr. Melinek's outlandish report replete with unprofessional references and sources (LHK forum and Wikipedia).

Did Dina purposely "throw" her fight? I wonder? The foundation of her public assault was simply outlandish and absurd, imo. Why ever even make a public thrust unless your are posturing for a reason? So what was her real purpose?

She is entitled to all the medical and doctor reports done on Max's condition. They either prove her point or not. Her using the Bove and especially the Melinek report was like trying to squeeze water from a stone. Imo, she purposely "threw" the fight because she was bucking for an out of court settlement and thought Jonah would give. However, I truly believe that Jonah has very little interest if any in giving Dina an more money than he absolutely must.

Max's medical records would have been sufficient for her cause if any of her claims were true. However, all her claims appear to be false as she has not been able to thus far convince anyone that her son was the victim of a homicide. Furthermore, her request for a re-investigation was turned down yet her petition does not address that by taking the fight to the next level (DA) like the Zahau's did.

Imo, her attempts to seek the "truth"are halfhearted and therefore do not contain the "ring of truth" in them.

BBM.
From my own experience as a plaintiff in a wrongful death lawsuit, I know Dina doesn't have to prove Max's death was a homicide. All she has to prove is that JS/RZ was the proximate cause of his injuries. Because RZ placed herself as the only adult present in the house when Max's injuries occurred, it will not be a difficult case to win, imo.

all,JMO

 

[MyBelle]

BBM

Regarding Dina's demands of what Rebecca was not allowed to do:

"And she would not go to functions at Phoenix Country Day School, where Max attended kindergarten."

But Rebecca was allowed to do the following with Max:

Drive him and pick him up from school

Feed him breakfast lunch and dinner

Take him to and from soccer practice

Make sure he was clean, washed behind his ears, brushed his teeth, combed his hair, tied his shoes, put his shirt on the right way and said his prayers at bedtime

Read him bedtime stories and listen to his stories

Share adventures, good times and problems but she was not allowed to attend any school functions and that was one of the things that gave Dina peace of mind. Hmmm.

You make it sound as though his parents weren't in the picture at all and that simply isn't true. Aren't most 6-yr-old children capable of bathing and brushing their teeth and going to bed without their parent's lover providing close oversight? It's amazing that you think RZ hovered over Max while he was home yet he died while in her care at home, not at the school where she wasn't allowed (if indeed, that part is true.)


JMO

 

[Betty P]

BBM.
From my own experience as a plaintiff in a wrongful death lawsuit, I know Dina doesn't have to prove Max's death was a homicide. All she has to prove is that JS/RZ was the proximate cause of his injuries. Because RZ placed herself as the only adult present in the house when Max's injuries occurred, it will not be a difficult case to win, imo.

all,JMO

But since RZ is dead, the only hope Dina has of getting financial compensation is from Jonah.

 

[MyBelle]

But since RZ is dead, the only hope Dina has of getting financial compensation is from Jonah.

That's not the way it worked in our case. She can name several respondants and a Judge will decide who stays in.

JMO

 

[bourne]

Can you give a link that shows Rebecca did these things? What type of bedtime stories did she read him? What type of adventures, good times and problems? It sounds like you have insider information? Can you share specifics?

As far as Rebecca tying his shoes, I thought the people that think she was murdered said she did not know how to tie loops and knots...

Are you seriously comparing tying a simple knot in the shoelaces to the complex, elaborate knots that wrapped and bounded Rebecca's wrists and ankles?

As we all know, anyone, even children under the age of 5 who are of normal developmental abilities can learn to tie their own shoelaces. Can any child under the age of 5 tie the elaborate knots around Rebecca's wrists and ankles without first having learned the technique and practiced it over and over? Seriously?

You must be jesting.

 

[Betty P]

That's not the way it worked in our case. She can name several respondants and a Judge will decide who stays in.

JMO

Whose case are you referring to?

 

[justice be served]

Are you seriously comparing tying a simple knot in the shoelaces to the complex, elaborate knots that wrapped and bounded Rebecca's wrists and ankles?

As we all know, anyone, even children under the age of 5 who are of normal developmental abilities can learn to tie their own shoelaces. Can any child under the age of 5 tie the elaborate knots around Rebecca's wrists and ankles without first having learned the technique and practiced it over and over? Seriously?

You must be jesting.

Sometimes on this forum I just think I am in Crazyland with a capital C. That is certainly not directed at you Bourne but at this forum in general.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

Are you seriously comparing tying a simple knot in the shoelaces to the complex, elaborate knots that wrapped and bounded Rebecca's wrists and ankles?

As we all know, anyone, even children under the age of 5 who are of normal developmental abilities can learn to tie their own shoelaces. Can any child under the age of 5 tie the elaborate knots around Rebecca's wrists and ankles without first having learned the technique and practiced it over and over? Seriously?

You must be jesting.

The loops and knots that Rebecca tied herself up with were not "complex, elaborate knots". Please look over the investigative report. It said the knots were not any type of knot in particular. She just looped and tied till she got it right.

And if she could tie her shoes, she could tie those knots. Not knot kidding. :what:

 

[freespeech]

You make it sound as though his parents weren't in the picture at all and that simply isn't true. Aren't most 6-yr-old children capable of bathing and brushing their teeth and going to bed without their parent's lover providing close oversight? It's amazing that you think RZ hovered over Max while he was home yet he died while in her care at home, not at the school where she wasn't allowed (if indeed, that part is true.)


JMO

Max's parents stated that they weren't around the morning that he had his accident. According to their version of events they left Max alone with Rebecca and her sister.

Dina stated that Rebecca and her sister were not to be alone with Max. Jonah apparently did not think it was any problem at all because he claimed he left Max alone with them and didn't call Dina to pick Max up so he wouldn't be alone with them. So as you can see what Dina and Jonah thought about it were worlds apart because Jonah never reported anything different and he left Max there alone with them.

Apparently, Jonah left his other kids alone with Rebecca and according to reports he didn't care if the kids were rude to her. That was one of the reasons that Mary stated Rebecca was thinking of taking a break from Jonah at the end of the summer.

Btw, Max could have had an accident at school also. Freak accidents can happen anywhere. Also, six year old children are not miniature adults so yes they obviously require a great deal of supervision and care. However, I do believe that it is acceptable to leave a six year old child with an activity while one takes a ten minute bathroom break.

Also, the part about Rebecca not being allowed at school was stated by Dina in the 'Boy Interrupted' article.

 

[freespeech]

The loops and knots that Rebecca tied herself up with were not "complex, elaborate knots". Please look over the investigative report. It said the knots were not any type of knot in particular. She just looped and tied till she got it right.

And if she could tie her shoes, she could tie those knots. Not knot kidding. :what:

According to Dr. Drew and regarding the rope knots found binding Rebecca's dead body he stated "those knots would have to be tied by a 17th century sailor!" Here are Dr. Drew's comments on the rope expert that discussed the knots: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAK6cVZGb0w"]Dr. Drew reacts to knotting expert - YouTube[/ame]

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

Dr. Drew never saw the ropes and knots.

From the SDSO, who did actually SEE, TOUCH, and EXAMINE the knots and ropes:

How did she learn these complex knots?
We don’t believe she did. These knots were not as complex as they have been made out to be, which is what we discovered when we attempted to recreate the knots on Rebecca’s wrists. Simply stated, this is one of those questions which will most likely never be answered with any certainty.

http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/faq.html

 

[freespeech]

Can you give a link that shows Rebecca did these things? What type of bedtime stories did she read him? What type of adventures, good times and problems? It sounds like you have insider information? Can you share specifics?

As far as Rebecca tying his shoes, I thought the people that think she was murdered said she did not know how to tie loops and knots...

Rebecca reportedly quit her job to take care of Jonah and his kids. Wasn't he supposedly going to marry her?

All the activities I mentioned are simply ordinary every day activities that people with kids do in the course of a day. I wouldn't think one would need to be an insider to know that because that's what people with kids do when they're living their life with them as Rebecca was doing.

Unless a parent has a drug, alcohol or emotional problems I would expect that they attend to all the details that involve and make up the child's daily activities.

 

[freespeech]

Dr. Drew never saw the ropes and knots.

From the SDSO, who did actually SEE, TOUCH, and EXAMINE the knots and ropes:

How did she learn these complex knots?
We don’t believe she did. These knots were not as complex as they have been made out to be, which is what we discovered when we attempted to recreate the knots on Rebecca’s wrists. Simply stated, this is one of those questions which will most likely never be answered with any certainty.

http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/faq.html

Well, I disagree. Imo, the knots that the female police officer demonstrated were extremely complex. I wouldn't and still don't have a clue how she tied them. I'm thinking that the female police officer that demonstrated tying the knots was coached and she practiced multiple times before being videotaped.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

Rebecca boated with Jonah where she would have learned to tie up, and had "nimble fingers" according to one article touting her dexterity in Lasik. She and Jonah may also have been into bondage.

IMO, Rebecca was smart enough to know how to tie things. And the investigators who saw them said they were NOT expert. Hard to argue with that, IMO.

 

[freespeech]

Rebecca boated with Jonah where she would have learned to tie up, and had "nimble fingers" according to one article touting her dexterity in Lasik. She and Jonah may also have been into bondage.

IMO, Rebecca was smart enough to know how to tie things. And the investigators who saw them said they were NOT expert. Hard to argue with that, IMO.

What are the names and credentials of the "experts" who said the knots were easy knots? Did Jonah teach Dina how to tie knots too? Did Adam teach Jonah how to tie boating knots? So Jonah, Adam and Dina all knew how to tie boating knots? Hmmm, that sounds interesting....

 

[MyBelle]

Max's parents stated that they weren't around the morning that he had his accident. According to their version of events they left Max alone with Rebecca and her sister.

Dina stated that Rebecca and her sister were not to be alone with Max. Jonah apparently did not think it was any problem at all because he claimed he left Max alone with them and didn't call Dina to pick Max up so he wouldn't be alone with them. So as you can see what Dina and Jonah thought about it were worlds apart because Jonah never reported anything different and he left Max there alone with them.

Apparently, Jonah left his other kids alone with Rebecca and according to reports he didn't care if the kids were rude to her. That was one of the reasons that Mary stated Rebecca was thinking of taking a break from Jonah at the end of the summer.

Btw, Max could have had an accident at school also. Freak accidents can happen anywhere. Also, six year old children are not miniature adults so yes they obviously require a great deal of supervision and care. However, I do believe that it is acceptable to leave a six year old child with an activity while one takes a ten minute bathroom break.

Also, the part about Rebecca not being allowed at school was stated by Dina in the 'Boy Interrupted' article.

Yes, I do agree that accidents can happen anywhere but I also believe the only reason to lie about the circumstances surrounding an accident is to hide something. Two children were injured while in the care of RZ. I don't believe that is acceptable.

I have no idea why DS didn't want Max left alone with RZ but her worst fears came true.

JMO

 

[Betty P]

Yes, I do agree that accidents can happen anywhere but I also believe the only reason to lie about the circumstances surrounding an accident is to hide something. Two children were injured while in the care of RZ. I don't believe that is acceptable.

I have no idea why DS didn't want Max left alone with RZ but her worst fears came true.

JMO

Again, there's no truth to your allegation that RZ lied about the circumstances of the accident.

You really should stop making those allegations.

 

[time]

Rebecca boated with Jonah where she would have learned to tie up, and had "nimble fingers" according to one article touting her dexterity in Lasik. She and Jonah may also have been into bondage.

BBM Can you provide a reference for this?