Max's Search Warrants Released!!!! Discuss Max's Death here #2

[Callie]

I don't think there is new carpet. I just think the color looks different in the photos, that's it. It looks like an old carpet to me. I do see the markings on the carpet in one of the photos next to the little rug. They look very symmetrical to me-as if there was something standing there, like some sort of lamp or clothes hanger, or something of that nature, to leave these marks.

Well, maybe you're right, but it sure seems to be a BIG difference just to be caused by camera lighting.

 

[jjenny]

Well, maybe you're right, but it sure seems to be a BIG difference just to be caused by camera lighting.

There is no way he changed the carpet between his son's accident and LE coming up to collect evidence. The chandelier was not even removed from the property, it was found in the trash. And that was after RZ's death.

 

[IWannaKnow]

Photo #1 http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/images/ms02.jpg

Photo #2 http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/images/ms03.jpg

Click on the link to photo #2 and zoom in on the landing between the two sets of stairs. Focus on the carpet between the small rug and the lower set of stairs.

1. What is that impression in the carpet on the landing?

2. Why is that small rectangular rug on that landing? Is it covering something? [Strange and potentially dangerous place for a small rug – tripping hazard.]

MOO & TIA

I don't think that is embossed into the carpet. The positioning is off for that and the pattern doesn't make sense. Those odd curved parts remind me of the chandelier.

Closeup of mansion chandelier: note the strings of crystal encircling the bottom.

ETA 3: Excellent observation Quester!! :woohoo:

http://www.previewfirst.com/mls/photos/1349
I'm sure you've already seen these Quester, but photos #29 and 30 prove that that mark you found was not in the carpet previously. There is a band inset into the carpet that the throw rug is hiding but not that pattern....

 

[Quester]

http://www.previewfirst.com/mls/photos/1349
I'm sure you've already seen these Quester, but photos #29 and 30 prove that that mark you found was not in the carpet previously. There is a band inset into the carpet that the throw rug is hiding but not that pattern....

Hi IWannaKnow - looking again at those photos, now I'm not so sure on the issue of a possible landing carpet impression.

Click and zoom on the landing in photo #28. Looks like there may have been a debossed image with rounded features in that central landing area. Does anyone else see it or am I seeing things?

http://www.previewfirst.com/mls/photos/1349


The following is your blow-up of an LE photo of the landing:

Also, looking further at photos #28 and #30 reminds me of the early rumor that MS might have been trying to get a stuck ball out of the chandelier. If so, that chandelier looks like it was most accessible from the landing and not from the first floor balcony area.

ETA: This scenario still leaves the questions of why was that small, poorly placed rug on the landing? What was it covering/hiding?

MOO & TIA

 

[IWannaKnow]

Hi Quester. Sorry, I don't see it. Especially where it is in the original photo. It is right at the head of the stairs not in the center of the landing, where it would be if centered inside that border. The pattern you originally noticed is right at the head of the stairs in a different area. I stand by my original statement. I think it was the chandelier.

 

[steff13]

Hi IWannaKnow - looking again at those photos, now I'm not so sure on the issue of a possible landing carpet impression.

Click and zoom on the landing in photo #28. Looks like there may have been a debossed image with rounded features in that central landing area. Does anyone else see it or am I seeing things?

http://www.previewfirst.com/mls/photos/1349


The following is your blow-up of an LE photo of the landing:

Also, looking further at photos #28 and #30 reminds me of the early rumor that MS might have been trying to get a stuck ball out of the chandelier. If so, that chandelier looks like it was most accessible from the landing and not from the first floor balcony area.

ETA: This scenario still leaves the questions of why was that small, poorly placed rug on the landing? What was it covering/hiding?

MOO & TIA

Ok, I am looking at these pics of the landing, and it looks to me like there is some sort of design embossed into the carpet - almost like a rug, but not.

This one: http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/images/ms03.jpg

I see an edging, and what appears to be two shells in the center, as though there are two scallop shells with the narrow ends together. If you zoom in, you can see almost a whole "shell" under the word "NET" on the picture, and then under the "F" in "SHERIFF," you can see the scallop-y edge of the second shell.

In picture #28 here: http://www.previewfirst.com/mls/photos/1349

I see it, too. You can't seem much of it, but you can make out the diagonal lines of the open edges of both "shells," at an angle there. I think a shell design makes sense - note the fish chair with what looks like a shell seat cushion on the landing.

That's what I see there, anyway. It looks like a design in the carpet to me.

 

[Quester]

Hi Quester, It looks like a design pattern in the rug it's self. The Phoenix Bird, maybe?

That's an odd place for that throw rug though. Is it covering something, like the paint on the door was?

BBM: Phoenix Bird? - interesting thought, Callie!

Phoenix Bird and San Francisco from http://sfarchive.org/sfgov/mainpages/www.sfgov.org/site/visitor_index995c.html?id=8081:
The Phoenix, the crest of the city, taken from its seal, is used to symbolize the municipality. It is shown arising from the ashes of the old consolidation Act to renewed power under the New Charter, and may be taken as an emblem of the era of prosperity in store for the city under improved conditions. This was the designer's idea, but now it is generally interpreted as meaning the rebirth after the fire of 1906.

John D. Spreckels from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_D._Spreckels:
He moved his family permanently to San Diego immediately after the 1906 earthquake [in San Francisco] and moved into his new mansion on Glorietta Blvd. in Coronado in 1908. That structure survives today as the Glorietta Bay Inn.

Phoenix Bird and Feng Shui from http://www.mythicalrealm.com/creatures/phoenix.html:
"A mythical bird that never dies, the phoenix flies far ahead to the front, always scanning the landscape and distant space. It represents our capacity for vision, for collecting sensory information about our environment and the events unfolding within it. The phoenix, with its great beauty, creates intense excitement and deathless inspiration." - The Feng Shui Handbook, feng shui Master Lam Kam Chuen

 

[justice be served]

Since Rebecca's case file is now being released and hopefully resulting in a re-opening of the case, does anyone know if that could also result in the re-opening of Max's case as well? Can anyone with legal experience weigh in on that?

 

[deanna82437]

BBM: Phoenix Bird? - interesting thought, Callie!

Phoenix Bird and Fung Shui from http://www.mythicalrealm.com/creatures/phoenix.html:
"A mythical bird that never dies, the phoenix flies far ahead to the front, always scanning the landscape and distant space. It represents our capacity for vision, for collecting sensory information about our environment and the events unfolding within it. The phoenix, with its great beauty, creates intense excitement and deathless inspiration." - The Feng Shui Handbook, feng shui Master Lam Kam Chuen

Respectfully snipped .. The Feng Shui link is super interesting. I've read elsewhere (sorry, no link) that JS was into Feng Shui decorating.

hmm .. is it Fung or Feng?

 

[Quester]

Respectfully snipped .. The Feng Shui link is super interesting. I've read elsewhere (sorry, no link) that JS was into Feng Shui decorating.

hmm .. is it Fung or Feng?

BBM - Oops, sorry - that was my error/typo now corrected in the original post to the correct "Feng".

 

[SunnieRN]

Respectfully snipped .. The Feng Shui link is super interesting. I've read elsewhere (sorry, no link) that JS was into Feng Shui decorating.

hmm .. is it Fung or Feng?

That was in an older article, about Medicis and I think it was about buying the spreckles mansion, but I am not positive about that part. I think it showed him standing up in a living room type area? Remember at the time that he didn't seem like the typical feng shui typpe of guy.

 

[time]

That was in an older article, about Medicis and I think it was about buying the spreckles mansion, but I am not positive about that part. I think it showed him standing up in a living room type area? Remember at the time that he didn't seem like the typical feng shui typpe of guy.

http://www.wmagazine.com/beauty/2008/10/restylane_filler

Funny, in the pic it looks like Jonah is standing in the Coronado house Dina lives in?

 

[SunnieRN]

OMG you're right!! It does look like Dina's house!!

Next, how in heavens name did you find that link so quickly?! I am amazed!!!

Thirdly, thanks!! Glad to know my brain is still functioning somewhat accurately. :crazy: :floorlaugh: I am never sure after work!!

 

[Morag]

OMG you're right!! It does look like Dina's house!!

Next, how in heavens name did you find that link so quickly?! I am amazed!!!

Thirdly, thanks!! Glad to know my brain is still functioning somewhat accurately. :crazy: :floorlaugh: I am never sure after work!!

Here is the link to DS house: (courtesy of MrsHolmes on the reference thread)

http://photoplan.planomatic.com/mls2559

I remember thinking it was surprising that the 'mansion' would have a Craftsman interior. This makes more sense- he must have owned it prior to the Spreckels purchase. I still haven't seen any Feng Shui -appearing decorating in any of the pictures-of course, I'm not sure I would recognize it if I saw it.

 

[time]

OMG you're right!! It does look like Dina's house!!

Next, how in heavens name did you find that link so quickly?! I am amazed!!!

Thirdly, thanks!! Glad to know my brain is still functioning somewhat accurately. :crazy: :floorlaugh: I am never sure after work!!

hehe ... I could not work third trick!

I can't find where to put this, but I find the timing interesting given what else we know was going on between 2007-2008 with the domestic abuse and the book cooking:

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/article_88c29c9c-6287-5980-a40a-b13eb9f4d40d.html?mode=story

A video game room, a fitness center and a feng shui consultant — Scottsdalebased Medicis Pharmaceutical Corp.’s new headquarters won’t be your typical office building....


CEO Jonah Shacknai relocated his staff — all 10 of them — in 1995 from New York to a suite of offices at 44th Street and Camelback Road in Phoenix.


On Thursday, Shacknai presided over the groundbreaking for his new digs, a 150,000-square-foot office building slated to be completed in first quarter 2008 on the Salt River Pima-Maricopa Indian Community.

 

[SunnieRN]

So, riddle me this batman. Where was Dina after Max's accident? Well, actually, where was Dina during Max's accident? Nothing has ever been said about that, or why a Mother would leave her child with someone she didn't trust, and not be immediately available.

No cell phone contact available. Not at home, unable to find her, although her car was at her house. This continues to bother me. Especially knowing she left her sons bedside the day following his accident for over 12 hours.

 

[time]

So, riddle me this batman. Where was Dina after Max's accident? Well, actually, where was Dina during Max's accident? Nothing has ever been said about that, or why a Mother would leave her child with someone she didn't trust, and not be immediately available.

No cell phone contact available. Not at home, unable to find her, although her car was at her house. This continues to bother me. Especially knowing she left her sons bedside the day following his accident for over 12 hours.

I'm thinking the fray over a child after a bad marriage is worth more to some people than the issue they claim is important. I may be wrong, but I have seen two parents go at it, claiming they are doing it for whatever reason, but it's the bitterness that is the driving force, not caring and concern.

Wasn't it Wed that Dina was gone for 12 hours after Rebecca was found?

 

[SunnieRN]

No, it was the day after, when Rebecca was still alive and led to the speculation that she may have seen Max that day, while Dina was away.

 

[lauriej]

I'm thinking the fray over a child after a bad marriage is worth more to some people than the issue they claim is important. I may be wrong, but I have seen two parents go at it, claiming they are doing it for whatever reason, but it's the bitterness that is the driving force, not caring and concern.

Wasn't it Wed that Dina was gone for 12 hours after Rebecca was found?

..no, we don't have any info on what they did after rebecca was found.

..july 11th--dina-----arrives at hospital 2 p.m. july 11th (stays for 16 hours.)

..july 12th--6 a.m. leaves and goes home, back at hospital at 6 p.m.
( receives call july 13th 7 a.m. from jonah, that rebecca is dead).

 

[SunnieRN]

So where was she during and following the accident? Also, we know Nina was also at Dina's Coronado home, for that 12 hours. Did she sleep that long, with her son in critical condition?

When, how did she come up with the idea of Max being smothered?