Max's Search Warrants Released!!!! Discuss Max's Death here #2

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Nina's Interview 11/7/2011 -

CROSSTALK:
Ok, then uh, then what happened, what happened Tuesday night, how long did you stay, when did you leave?

NINA:
Ok, so uh we were there, Jonah got back at 8 pm, on the dot at 8 pm. I stayed a while longer and I left it was about 855/900, I left on Tuesday night. My sister stayed, she was there. When I left the hospital my sister and Jonah were still in my nephew's room.

http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kfmb/misc/nina_romano.mp3
 
Jonah states in the search warrants he returned at 8:00 PM. However, conflicting times are given regarding when Dina returned to the hospital Tuesday the 12th. NR gives another conflicting time in her interview.

• Jonah tells detectives 6:00 PM Tuesday is when Dina returned to the hospital in search warrant 11-164.

• Nina per her interview claims she and Dina drove to the hospital together at 4:00 PM Tuesday afternoon.

• Dina tells detectives she returned to the hospital at 8:00 PM Tuesday night, per search warrant 11-164.


http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kfmb/misc/warrant_11-164.pdf

http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kfmb/misc/nina_romano.mp3
 
Jonah states in the search warrants he returned at 8:00 PM. However, conflicting times are given regarding when Dina returned to the hospital Tuesday the 12th. NR gives another conflicting time in her interview.

• Jonah tells detectives 6:00 PM Tuesday is when Dina returned to the hospital in search warrant 11-164.

• Nina per her interview claims she and Dina drove to the hospital together at 4:00 PM Tuesday afternoon.

• Dina tells detectives she returned to the hospital at 8:00 PM Tuesday night, per search warrant 11-164.


http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kfmb/misc/warrant_11-164.pdf

http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kfmb/misc/nina_romano.mp3

Lash, would you mind if we moved this post to the thread on gross inconsistencies? Sorry but I don't know how to move the post. Do you just C&P?

It would be nice to keep all the major inconsistencies in one area in case law enforcement cares to peruse these findings. I believe that this is a major discrepancy that SDSO should investigate.
 
Hi Freespeech! No problem at all, already done.
 
Was some of that in the radio calls posted on here earlier?

As I recall, yes. And yes, they had trouble finding her...as I recall. My 2 cents... and good to see you, again, Time...:)
 
Fascinating that these extraordinarily wealthy parents learned their son had a heart murmur - and he still hadn't had the follow-up appointment. Surely they had the money and connections to get him seen by a specialist anywhere almost immediately.

The fact that they accused RZ of negligence sure seems like sheer projection.

Also interesting that JS moved his company to build on a native reservation, which would have presented tax advantages. I wonder what the legal implications would be, if he was found to be doing anything illegal. Reservations have their own cops and own legal systems, to some extent, IIRC.

My Father had a heart murmur and it seemed to cause no problems, so growing up it was no surprise I had one, too....it was never explored further, and I'm 48 and healthy. I learned my son had a heart mumur, too...Doctors said heriditary...we just live with it. AND I'm Canadian, free health care, so I could have dr's prodding around but I feel my Dad lived a fine life, I'm healthy, my son has had no issues...so why? AND...I do not trust hospitals and dr.s, lol...;) SO, am I negligent? Were my parents? I think not...we just react differently depending on personal experiences, imo. :)
 
The idea that RN would want to hurt the child is absurd. The woman quit her job and moved in with a millionaire. Presumably she might have wanted to become a Mrs. S. Hurting the child is not the way to go to achieve that goal. So she has no motive whatsoever to do anything to the child.

If only people always acted in their own best interest, always kept their emotions in check, always controlled that ONE moment of fury, half the cases on this Website would not exist.

I certainly can see the motive of DS to murder a woman she considered responsible for the death of her child. But I can also see a very reasonable scenario where RZ might have been responsible for Max's death. It is not true that she had 'no motive."

Max's children, at least the two older ones, were, according to her own sister...destroying her relationship with JS. The situation was so intolerable that RZ was thinking of leaving, taking a time-out from the man she loved. He would not defend her or support her. She was frustrated to the point that she would chuck the whole situation. Those two older children had just left the house that morning. One wonders what humiliations and disrespect RZ had endured with no protection from the man she loved.

Max idolized his older siblings, especially the brother. DS speaks of this several times in several places, including her Foundation website. Would that hero-worship have caused Max to begin treating RZ with the same disrespect in that preceding period? Was this the first moment RZ had alone with Max after the siblings were driven to the airport? Did Max "mouth off" as he heard the others do...and did RZ just, in one terrible moment, lose control? These kids were going to cause her to lose everytjing!

The idea that RZ was too perfect, too calm, too virtous to ever make a momentary bad judgement call is belied by her shoplifting arrest. In the best case scenario, presuming she had never done this before, and was not a serial shoplifter only caught ONCE...then, JUST THIS ONE TIME, she lost control. She did not act in her own best interests. She did not act like the Christian she was. She lost control...that is a fact that is part of her personal history. That morning, she may have lost control again. This is what DS wants investigated. Was a strong hand put over a childs mouth that had just repeated ugly words, emulating the older kids? And how even more devastating ...if those words came from the one child RZ thought she had a good relationship with!!

We need to know more about the days that preceded Max's death. We DO know that RZ was fed up to the point of leaving. So....did the Older Kids suddenly become loving and accepting? Were they all..."The Waltons?" The days leading up to Max's death could supply a building frustration and rage that a wonderful love and lifestyle was about to be ruined by others.

So I find that both RZ and DS have "motives." Both may well be wonderful lovng people...to the people they love. But there were strong and compelling emotions involved in that blended family that preceding both deaths.

IMO...these two cases BOTH should be reopened.
 
If only people always acted in their own best interest, always kept their emotions in check, always controlled that ONE moment of fury, half the cases on this Website would not exist.

I certainly can see the motive of DS to murder a woman she considered responsible for the death of her child. But I can also see a very reasonable scenario where RZ might have been responsible for Max's death. It is not true that she had 'no motive."

Max's children, at least the two older ones, were, according to her own sister...destroying her relationship with JS. The situation was so intolerable that RZ was thinking of leaving, taking a time-out from the man she loved. He would not defend her or support her. She was frustrated to the point that she would chuck the whole situation. Those two older children had just left the house that morning. One wonders what humiliations and disrespect RZ had endured with no protection from the man she loved.

Max idolized his older siblings, especially the brother. DS speaks of this several times in several places, including her Foundation website. Would that hero-worship have caused Max to begin treating RZ with the same disrespect in that preceding period? Was this the first moment RZ had alone with Max after the siblings were driven to the airport? Did Max "mouth off" as he heard the others do...and did RZ just, in one terrible moment, lose control? These kids were going to cause her to lose everytjing!

The idea that RZ was too perfect, too calm, too virtous to ever make a momentary bad judgement call is belied by her shoplifting arrest. In the best case scenario, presuming she had never done this before, and was not a serial shoplifter only caught ONCE...then, JUST THIS ONE TIME, she lost control. She did not act in her own best interests. She did not act like the Christian she was. She lost control...that is a fact that is part of her personal history. That morning, she may have lost control again. This is what DS wants investigated. Was a strong hand put over a childs mouth that had just repeated ugly words, emulating the older kids? And how even more devastating ...if those words came from the one child RZ thought she had a good relationship with!!

We need to know more about the days that preceded Max's death. We DO know that RZ was fed up to the point of leaving. So....did the Older Kids suddenly become loving and accepting? Were they all..."The Waltons?" The days leading up to Max's death could supply a building frustration and rage that a wonderful love and lifestyle was about to be ruined by others.

So I find that both RZ and DS have "motives." Both may well be wonderful lovng people...to the people they love. But there were strong and compelling emotions involved in that blended family that preceding both deaths.

IMO...these two cases BOTH should be reopened.

I agree with many of your points. I always thought that a psychological autopsy should have been done on Rebecca with all the points you mentioned.

However, I strongly believe that Max's parents, Rebecca's sister and Jonah's two teenage children should have thorough psychological evaluations as well.

The problems in this blended family involved three adults, three teenagers and one child. According to Dina and Mary the problems were serious and pervasive. The complex dynamics of this blended family were so dysfunctional that they resulted in the deaths of two of it's members within a week.

Every member of this family including the three teenagers should be evaluated for criminal histories, substance abuse, mental illness including prior hospitalizations and any other dysfunction and or violent behaviors and tendencies. Jonah and Dina should also be forth coming about their previous marriages and any past criminal histories including episodes of violence and mental instability.

I cannot express how disappointed I am about the way law enforcement handled these cases. Imo, it should be a major disgrace to their careers.
 
Stmarysmead - Thank you for a great post. I also agree with many of your opinions. We all have a breaking point.

I tend to believe Rebecca was not concerned about 'losing everything' considering she was willing to leave Jonah on her own accord. The 'everything' did not seem as important as her personal happiness or self respect. In my opinion, if the luxuries were of significant worth to Rebecca, she would stay and deal with the kids disrespect rather than leave Jonah.
 
just a question for al of you who studied Maxie's death..

is it possible, with the medical evidence supplied, that Max was hurt physically prior to falling over the railing. If he even did go over that railing...does medical proof back that uP?

I ask because at am concerned that Maxie was gone out that morning dropping off his older siblings, with his father. IIRC they left between 7-8 (not sure) .. Drove to the airport, must have taken some time, then father and son returned him, so let's say..around 9??? father takes off to the gym, & brought his cell phone, which I read somewhere in here, that he rarely had his phone at the gym.. I also read that Maxie was sent to his room when they got home to clean it...I wonder if he was sent to his room because some one knew he was hurt... 911 call made about one hour aft he returned with his father from the airport... Who sent him to his room and why? was he already hurt when he was in his room, walked out and fell?

I have a question- and am not sure where it belongs. ( threads which pertain to timeline, Max's case or gross inconsistencies)

The gym where JS allegedly worked out that morning closed after he received the message about the accident. Isn't that odd? Forgive me if i have missed big discussions on this topic, but...Why would a gym close ? Thinking of all the cases that we sleuth here. I can't think of other similar examples. Can you?
Was it a crime scene? Was it a favor??? Why? Is that unprecedented or am I hallucinating?
 
I have a question- and am not sure where it belongs. ( threads which pertain to timeline, Max's case or gross inconsistencies)

The gym where JS allegedly worked out that morning closed after he received the message about the accident. Isn't that odd? Forgive me if i have missed big discussions on this topic, but...Why would a gym close ? Thinking of all the cases that we sleuth here. I can't think of other similar examples. Can you?
Was it a crime scene? Was it a favor??? Why? Is that unprecedented or am I hallucinating?

The gym closed because they were out of money and unable to pay their expenses, or so they say. The info about Max having gone to the airport earlier that am to see his older siblings off is nothing more than hearsay.......there has been no proof that they left in the am, and until there is, IMO, they were still at Spreckels when Max had his accident.
 
The gym closed because they were out of money and unable to pay their expenses, or so they say. The info about Max having gone to the airport earlier that am to see his older siblings off is nothing more than hearsay.......there has been no proof that they left in the am, and until there is, IMO, they were still at Spreckels when Max had his accident.

I think it is strange that various citizens have come forward to make statements about Rebecca but almost none have commented on Jonah's whereabouts on the morning of Max's accident. A general account of some of the statements release are below.

*A neighbor reported a woman's scream for help to the police.

*Another neighbor reported loud music coming from the mansion.

*Another neighbor reported Dina acting strangely and trying to get into the mansion shortly before the scream and music reported by the other two neigbors.

*Someone at the gym reported that Rebecca was excited about a party that was to take place at the mansion.

*Another person at the gym reported that Jonah was at the gym working out 2 days after Rebecca's death.

*Another person at the gym reported that Rebecca seemed friendly and was in good shape.

*A friend of Rebecca's reported that Jonah acted strangely at her funeral and that he stated he did not believe she killed herself.

*An employee of the dog kennel stated that Rebecca was upset about Max's accident but quiet the next day. He also participated in the hanging reinactment done.

It seems the neighbors and towns people were suspicious that harm came to Rebecca but no one spoke up about Jonah too much. I believe they were afraid that Jonah would sue them if they said anything.

I would probably feel the same way. I think it is sad if information about this case was suppressed because of fear but on the other hand I totally understand how and why that would happen. I'm still hoping the tide will change and the truth will come out.
 
I think it is strange that various citizens have come forward to make statements about Rebecca but almost none have commented on Jonah's whereabouts on the morning of Max's accident. A general account of some of the statements release are below.

*A neighbor reported a woman's scream for help to the police.

*Another neighbor reported loud music coming from the mansion.

*Another neighbor reported Dina acting strangely and trying to get into the mansion shortly before the scream and music reported by the other two neigbors.

*Someone at the gym reported that Rebecca was excited about a party that was to take place at the mansion.

*Another person at the gym reported that Jonah was at the gym working out 2 days after Rebecca's death.

*Another person at the gym reported that Rebecca seemed friendly and was in good shape.

*A friend of Rebecca's reported that Jonah acted strangely at her funeral and that he stated he did not believe she killed herself.

*An employee of the dog kennel stated that Rebecca was upset about Max's accident but quiet the next day. He also participated in the hanging reinactment done. It seems the neihbors and towns people were suspicious that harm came to Rebecca but no one spoke up too much about Jonah. I believe they were cautious about bringing on a law suit if they spoke up.

Also, Jonah was also asking people at Rebecca's funeral "why would Rebecca want to hurt Max?"
 
Also, Jonah was also asking people at Rebecca's funeral "why would Rebecca want to hurt Max?"


Thanks. I didn't read that. I will reread the article. I thought that he asked if the friend knew anyone wanted to hurt Rebecca. If Jonah did ask that about Max then maybe he was painting the backdrop for the ensuing drama.

The statements that Nina purports Jonah made appeared to have the purpose of immediately placing blame on Rebecca for Max's brain death. In Nina's interview she repoeatedly asserted that Jonah said Rebecca told him she started CPR within two minutes of the fall but the doctors questioned that.

I personaly believe that Jonah made Rebecca swear not to tell what happened and purposely kept her away from the hospital. It was a divide and conquer stategy.
 
Thanks. I didn't read that. I will reread the article. I thought that he asked if the friend knew anyone wanted to hurt Rebecca. If Jonah did ask that about Max then maybe he was painting the backdrop for the ensuing drama.

The statements that Nina purports Jonah made appeared to have the purpose of immediately placing blame on Rebecca for Max's brain death. In Nina's interview she repoeatedly asserted that Jonah said Rebecca told him she started CPR within two minutes of the fall but the doctors questioned that.

I personaly believe that Jonah made Rebecca swear not to tell what happened and purposely kept her away from the hospital. It was a divide and conquer stategy.

I agree with you on that.......in fact, I think that as soon as Jonah was enroute to Rady Children's Hospital from the airport, he was already planning on what to do with Rebecca.........she knew a secret that he could not risk others knowing and had to be silenced........IMO of course.
 
Also, Jonah was also asking people at Rebecca's funeral "why would Rebecca want to hurt Max?"

What I read in a news article was that Jonah asked people at the funeral, "Do you know anyone who would want to hurt Rebecca?"

Where did you learn that Jonah asked why Rebecca would hurt Max?
 
The gym closed because they were out of money and unable to pay their expenses, or so they say. The info about Max having gone to the airport earlier that am to see his older siblings off is nothing more than hearsay.......there has been no proof that they left in the am, and until there is, IMO, they were still at Spreckels when Max had his accident.

But the gym mysteriously found enough $ to make ends meet and reopen because Jonah worked out there ( presumably) " a few days after" RZ's death?

:waitasec:
 
But the gym mysteriously found enough $ to make ends meet and reopen because Jonah worked out there ( presumably) " a few days after" RZ's death?

:waitasec:


After the gym closed their doors and moved all the equipment out, someone else opened a new gym in the same location.
 
Also, I remember reading he set up his gym elsewhere. Sorry, no link.
 
Also, I remember reading he set up his gym elsewhere. Sorry, no link.


Here is the link:
coronado.patch.com/articles/hollywood-fitness-closes


Dec 15, 2011 – Hollywood Fitness will merge with San Diego gym; Coronado business gained attention earlier this year in connection with Zahau case.
 
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