Max's Search Warrants Released!!!! Discuss Max's Death here #2

[*Lash*]

Here is the link:
coronado.patch.com/articles/hollywood-fitness-closes


Dec 15, 2011 – Hollywood Fitness will merge with San Diego gym; Coronado business gained attention earlier this year in connection with Zahau case.

Quotes from the article -

We just didn’t have the volume to offer $20 and $30 a month memberships,” said Reed Holman, a trainer at the gym and Ethyanne Ochoa’s son.

In my opinion, being a small volume gym, it should be easy to identify whether JS was at the gym that morning.

The decision appeared to be sudden. The doors were locked on Tuesday and by Wednesday afternoon the facility was stripped of equipment and furnishings. Members were not officailly notifed.

This seems to be a rather fast move, not even notifying members? A decision that came after investing money on new equipment?

To cover the expense, the gym was forced to raise monthly fees to $49 per month, but the owners found that people in Coronado did want to pay it or could not afford it.

Coronado homeowners cannot afford $49 a month, really?

The Ochoas live in Coronado and have no plans to move, Holman said. “We love it here,” he said.

The owners of the gym reside in Coronado but did not notify their members which are neighbors that the gym was closing?

http://coronado.patch.com/articles/hollywood-fitness-closes

 

[Inparadise]

Quotes from the article -



In my opinion, being a small volume gym, it should be easy to identify whether JS was at the gym that morning.



This seems to be a rather fast move, not even notifying members? A decision that came after investing money on new equipment?



Coronado homeowners cannot afford $49 a month, really?



The owners of the gym reside in Coronado but did not notify their members which are neighbors that the gym was closing?

http://coronado.patch.com/articles/hollywood-fitness-closes

I just happened to be driving by on "moving out" day, and I noticed a couple of big moving trucks double-parked in the street: guys were loading up the gym equipment into the trucks. Joe Ochoas and his wife rented a small place on the island, but I don't think that they are here any more.

 

[freespeech]

BBM

'Joe Ochoa, the manager of Hollywood Fitness, told 10News, "It's a real tragedy. They seemed like a real nice couple." Ochoa also said Zahau and Shacknai would go to the gym and work out together. "They like seem good people, he seems like an especially astute businessman… and they seemed to get along great," said Ochoa.'

http://www.10news.com/news/former-trainer-remembers-woman-found-dead-in-mansion

 

[freespeech]

"At first I thought she might be his mother," Zahau's former personal trainer, Scott Markey, told ABC News."They seemed like they were very happy. She was always smiling with him. They had a very good relationship."

Markey, who often saw the two together at Hollywood Fitness in Coronado, said she was "the sweetest girl you could possibly imagine."

Nothing but good things to say about her. It's horrible for this to happen to anybody, but for her it was a shock to me because she was the nicest girl you could meet," Markey said.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/coronado-m...y?id=14124073&pag[/U][/U][/U]e=2#.UFpXjY2PUWI

 

[freespeech]

'Factors which dispute suicide are accounts by Reed Holman and Desi Ochoa, personal trainers at Rebecca's Coronado gym, Hollywood Fitness, located at 1033 B Avenue, both of whom said she came in to work out just days before her death and appeared to be in good spirits; the caring and committed relationship between Ms. Zahau and her lover Jonah Shacknai, with plans by him to marry her, and the fact that he attended her funeral in Missouri, and was embraced by Rebecca's family; and statements by relatives of the woman that her spiritual background and character would not allow such an act of self destruction.'

http://www.examiner.com/article/police-still-reviewing-hanging-death-of-naked-coronado-woman

 

[freespeech]

'The suggestion of suicide has upset Zahau's family and friends, who said they do not believe she would have killed herself. They describe Zahau as intensely passionate about life. They said she was deeply committed to Shacknai's family and had a special relationship with Max.

"At first I thought he was her kid. He would hang on to her leg. The kid was really happy," Zahau's personal trainer, Scott Marquis, said. "He loved her. Totally loved her."

Marquis, who works a few blocks from the Shacknai mansion at Coronado's Hollywood Fitness, said he saw Zahau days before her death and nothing about her mood or demeanor signaled alarms.

"I know how someone is feeling the moment they walk through the door," Marquis said. "She seemed perfectly happy."

Marquis said Zahau came to the gym nearly every day when she was in town. He said she had been a member for more than a year and was consumed with fitness. Although she talked to him about training, it soon became clear she didn't need his assistance.

"She trained herself. . . . This woman was in shape, fit. She was at the top of her game. You could tell she lived a clean life," Marquis said.

He described Zahau as quiet and focused. He said she didn't initiate conversations, but when anyone greeted her, she would break into a dazzling smile.

Marquis said he was dumbfounded when he learned of Zahau's death. His sense of disbelief only heightened when the details emerged.'

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarep...girlfriend-mystery-lingers.html#ixzz26xmPvhyF

 

[screecher]

BBM

'Joe Ochoa, the manager of Hollywood Fitness, told 10News, "It's a real tragedy. They seemed like a real nice couple." Ochoa also said Zahau and Shacknai would go to the gym and work out together. "They like seem good people, he seems like an especially astute businessman… and they seemed to get along great," said Ochoa.'

http://www.10news.com/news/former-trainer-remembers-woman-found-dead-in-mansion

RBM


:luv:

 

[screecher]

'The suggestion of suicide has upset Zahau's family and friends, who said they do not believe she would have killed herself. They describe Zahau as intensely passionate about life. They said she was deeply committed to Shacknai's family and had a special relationship with Max.

"At first I thought he was her kid. He would hang on to her leg. The kid was really happy," Zahau's personal trainer, Scott Marquis, said. "He loved her. Totally loved her."

Marquis, who works a few blocks from the Shacknai mansion at Coronado's Hollywood Fitness, said he saw Zahau days before her death and nothing about her mood or demeanor signaled alarms.

"I know how someone is feeling the moment they walk through the door," Marquis said. "She seemed perfectly happy."

Marquis said Zahau came to the gym nearly every day when she was in town. He said she had been a member for more than a year and was consumed with fitness. Although she talked to him about training, it soon became clear she didn't need his assistance.

"She trained herself. . . . This woman was in shape, fit. She was at the top of her game. You could tell she lived a clean life," Marquis said.

He described Zahau as quiet and focused. He said she didn't initiate conversations, but when anyone greeted her, she would break into a dazzling smile.

Marquis said he was dumbfounded when he learned of Zahau's death. His sense of disbelief only heightened when the details emerged.'

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarep...girlfriend-mystery-lingers.html#ixzz26xmPvhyF

Thank you freespeech.

 

[freespeech]

Trainer And Nutritionist Scott Markey To Open ‘Gym In Coronado’

http://www.coronadonewsca.com/news/article_cb2fe39e-3d5d-11e1-90ed-0019bb2963f4.html

 

[screecher]

I can't help but love Maxie held onto Rebecca's leg. :heartbeat:

And no junkie candy needed.

 

[stmarysmead]

I can't help but love Maxie held onto Rebecca's leg. :heartbeat:

And no junkie candy needed.

A heartwarming anecdote but unfortunately, does not advance one theory of these deaths over another. Maybe RZ and Maxie adored each other...as Patsy Ramsey adored Jon Benet. That does not mean anything in regard to Max's manner of death. Though it might add fuel to the reason for suicide.

We've heard Casey Anthony described in court as a wonderful loving Mother as well.

There is just too much unknown here...or at least unknown by sleuthers.

I also believe that DS would certainly never press to have Max's case reopened if she was somehow responsible for RZ's death. Why do it? The person she believed responsible for her child's death would have paid the ultimate penalty and better yet, DS would have gotten away with it. DS could just sit back and savor her revenge with her grief. Why get the publicity going, the media poking around, the police looking once again?

Personally, I wish BOTH cases would be reviewed. Because, right now, neither family has peace.

 

[bourne]

A heartwarming anecdote but unfortunately, does not advance one theory of these deaths over another. Maybe RZ and Maxie adored each other...as Patsy Ramsey adored Jon Benet. That does not mean anything in regard to Max's manner of death. Though it might add fuel to the reason for suicide.

We've heard Casey Anthony described in court as a wonderful loving Mother as well.

There is just too much unknown here...or at least unknown by sleuthers.

I also believe that DS would certainly never press to have Max's case reopened if she was somehow responsible for RZ's death. Why do it? The person she believed responsible for her child's death would have paid the ultimate penalty and better yet, DS would have gotten away with it. DS could just sit back and savor her revenge with her grief. Why get the publicity going, the media poking around, the police looking once again?

Personally, I wish BOTH cases would be reviewed. Because, right now, neither family has peace.

I agree that both cases should be reopened.

When you ask why DS is seeking publicity, etc. if she is innocent, you're missing a very important human factor called reverse psychology. DS is a psychologist so she understands that psychological phenomenon; it's often subconscious. The person or people being manipulated are usually not even aware it's happening. It involves misdirection and manipulation. In slang, it's called a good con.

I'm sure you're aware that some criminals inject themselves into investigations so they can keep track of how an investigation is proceeding, and control some of the variables within the investigation, as well as admire their own work and ability to escape detection.

 

[Betty P]

I'm sure you're aware that some criminals inject themselves into investigations so they can keep track of how an investigation is proceeding, and control some of the variables within the investigation, as well as admire their own work and ability to escape detection.

Lately it seems any time Rebecca's family and attorneys attempt to call attention to serious questions and problems with the investigation of her death, the discussion always gets diverted to one about Max's death and the unfounded accusations that RZ killed him. IMO, it seems like a deliberate attempt to subvert discussion of re-opening the investigation into RZ's death.

MOO

 

[inthedark14]

Lately it seems any time Rebecca's family and attorneys attempt to call attention to serious questions and problems with the investigation of her death, the discussion always gets diverted to one about Max's death and the unfounded accusations that RZ killed him. IMO, it seems like a deliberate attempt to subvert discussion of re-opening the investigation into RZ's death.

MOO

ITA.

The whole situation is reminiscent of many boards, forums and blogs. I wonder how you "yell" in caps and repeat yourself consantly in MSM in hopes that being loud and repetitive makes what you are saying fact. Even the "eye roll" smacks of disdain for those that don't share your opinion.
:what:
Always, MOO

 

[Wendy101]

A heartwarming anecdote but unfortunately, does not advance one theory of these deaths over another. Maybe RZ and Maxie adored each other...as Patsy Ramsey adored Jon Benet. That does not mean anything in regard to Max's manner of death. Though it might add fuel to the reason for suicide.

We've heard Casey Anthony described in court as a wonderful loving Mother as well.

There is just too much unknown here...or at least unknown by sleuthers.

I also believe that DS would certainly never press to have Max's case reopened if she was somehow responsible for RZ's death. Why do it? The person she believed responsible for her child's death would have paid the ultimate penalty and better yet, DS would have gotten away with it. DS could just sit back and savor her revenge with her grief. Why get the publicity going, the media poking around, the police looking once again?

Personally, I wish BOTH cases would be reviewed. Because, right now, neither family has peace.

I wonder if Dina ever thought just maybe, the person responsible for Rebecca's death is the same person responsible for Maxes death (not intentionally)

 

[freespeech]

A heartwarming anecdote but unfortunately, does not advance one theory of these deaths over another. Maybe RZ and Maxie adored each other...as Patsy Ramsey adored Jon Benet. That does not mean anything in regard to Max's manner of death. Though it might add fuel to the reason for suicide.

We've heard Casey Anthony described in court as a wonderful loving Mother as well.

There is just too much unknown here...or at least unknown by sleuthers.

I also believe that DS would certainly never press to have Max's case reopened if she was somehow responsible for RZ's death. Why do it? The person she believed responsible for her child's death would have paid the ultimate penalty and better yet, DS would have gotten away with it. DS could just sit back and savor her revenge with her grief. Why get the publicity going, the media poking around, the police looking once again?

Personally, I wish BOTH cases would be reviewed. Because, right now, neither family has peace.

<modsnip>Your question can be answered in ways other <modsnip>.

In addition, Sheriff Gore is not all that great at investigation as various articles that have posted here have shown. Here is his latest failure with investigating the shooting death of a young man. This case was also riddled with Gore's incompetence. http://poway.patch.com/articles/luke-lipscomb-poway-city-council-san-diego-sheriff-bill-gore

 

[inthedark14]

I would like to clarify my earlier post. I am not calling out anyone on this board directly. I'm referencing the people who post on multiple boards and constantly post unkind things regarding RZ in response to anyone who finds the LE ruling ridiculous. Even people hoping both cases are open are attacked with a maximum of snark and some are bullied and stalked to the point of their real names being posted on public forums.

Anyone who has been following this case is aware of this situation and I apologize if I didn't make myself clear. I was simply stating that the current MSM blitz smacks of the same type of behavior and mindset.

Always MOO

 

[stmarysmead]

<modsnip> Your question can be answered in ways other <modsnip>.

In addition, Sheriff Gore is not all that great at investigation as various articles that have posted here have shown. Here is his latest failure with investigating the shooting death of a young man. This case was also riddled with Gore's incompetence. http://poway.patch.com/articles/luke-lipscomb-poway-city-council-san-diego-sheriff-bill-gore

I do not think ANY of us have the answers.There has been much specualtion on this Board about DS or NR being involved in RZ's death. The orginal "mystery" concerned RZ's death. But now a grieving Mother has questions of her own. Some are quick to ascribe "murderous intentions" to that Mother, to say her questions about the death of her child are only a distraction....as if she could not possibly be a victim too. Or just be a woman who has lost her only child and in God Awful pain.

Can any deny her pain? There have been many theories presented about why Dina may be asking these questions, most of which put DS in a negative light. I chose the simple answer: a Mothers pain. If you can believe in the love between a Girlfriend and Max...can you not believe in love between a Mother and an only son?

I see no "proof" that DS is anything More than a grieving Mom. Nor, as of yet, do authorities. There is no proof either than RZ murdered Max. But, RZ does not need another advocate on this Board. There are many. But, I often feel DS does.

My point isTHIS ONLY:There is no clear way of knowing who the victim..if any...are in this tragedy. This could be a murder of a child and a suicide....or an accident and a murder...or a murder and a murder...or what the police believe: an accident and a suicide.

My post was IN REPLY...to simply to show the futilty of saying "love" proves or disproves anything in regard to potential of violence. Loving REAL mothers have, in a moment of fury, hurt their children. And in these cases, all sorts of people can say their opinions...ie Casey Anthony had her supporters. Means nothing in trying to conclude what happened here. I do not know what happened here..nor do any of us.

Whether there was great love between RZ and Max is something only those who had intimate knowledge of the family know. My point was that none of these anecdotes or tidbits from various sources have any really value in trying to sort out this case.

I freely admit it would take a lot more knowledge than I HAVE or that I believe ANY of us have...to understand what happened here. Even experts cannot agree. So basically we can either all chose a side, and chose what we wish to believe, and chose our experts, and chose our villians and angels, and chose if we like this police department or not....or hope the cases are reopened.

Some here have already chosen. Actually I haven't. I have sympathy for both families. But DS seems to have few supporters here...and many detractors. I think its important to consider Her viewpoint on the forum...for her to have an occasional advocate. Surely, since WE ARE CONSIDERING BOTH WOMEN AS VICTIMS, presenting the case from BOTH standpoints is only fair.

Like you, I have opinions. Like you, I have questions. None of us have answers.

 

[stmarysmead]

Lately it seems any time Rebecca's family and attorneys attempt to call attention to serious questions and problems with the investigation of her death, the discussion always gets diverted to one about Max's death and the unfounded accusations that RZ killed him. IMO, it seems like a deliberate attempt to subvert discussion of re-opening the investigation into RZ's death.

MOO

That is one interpretation.

But there is an alternative. This is a woman who lost her only child and will probably never have another. In life, there cannot be IMO a greater tragedy. It must be a tremendous struggle just to get by, day to day.

I'm sure RZ's Mother feels this same excruicating pain. But there is a helplessness about a small child that brings out a sense of maternal watchfulness. Our adult children choose their lives, the places they live and WITH WHOM they live. A six year old in a divorced family is essentially a pawn. I have a child who is a single parent of an only child. And she does worry, rightfully or not, about girlfriends and friends...and the quality of care they might give her Little One. As this case proves, even if this was an accident, tragedies happen in a second.

Add to this that after the fatal fall of her Little Boy, one medical professional raised terrible suspicions of murder. Now added to the grief is this awful idea that someone deliberately hurt a helpless child.

What Mother would just let that go...just to be polite and not draw attention from RZ's death? As if her grief is not as worthy, her questions not as important. On BOTH cases , both families think the police messed up. If that's possible in one case, it certainly is in BOTH.

So while the media concentrates only on the strange death of RZ...DS hires a team to look into her childs death. I cannot understand how this can be criticized.

Why is only one familys grief respected?

Why are only one family's questions considered worthy?

Why not afford both families EXACTLY the same treatment here?

 

[stmarysmead]

I agree that both cases should be reopened.

When you ask why DS is seeking publicity, etc. if she is innocent, you're missing a very important human factor called reverse psychology. DS is a psychologist so she understands that psychological phenomenon; it's often subconscious. The person or people being manipulated are usually not even aware it's happening. It involves misdirection and manipulation. In slang, it's called a good con.

I'm sure you're aware that some criminals inject themselves into investigations so they can keep track of how an investigation is proceeding, and control some of the variables within the investigation, as well as admire their own work and ability to escape detection.

That is one explanation. Another is that this woman lost the only child she has and has to live the rest of her life without him. She wants answers and, like RZ's family, is not satisfied woth the ones she has gotten.

Yes, I'm aware that "criminals" inject themselves into investigations...so do parents wild with grief. I only see evidence of the latter so far.