I've posted what was said by the doctor in the SW.
Now let's see what was said in the AR:
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&...DctZGRjMy00ODVkLTk1YWItODAxZjAxMzE5OTVl&hl=en
And the accompanying diagram of MS's injuries:
http://www.autopsyfiles.org/reports/Other/shacknai, max_report.pdf
Cause of death:
Anoxic/ischemic encephalopathy
Due to resucitated cardiopulmonary arrest
Due to cervical spinal cord contusion
Due to blunt force trauma of head and neck
Look at this and reverse it. This describes his accident and what followed.
♦ Max fell landing on his face/head
blunt force trauma of head and neck
♦ Upon landing he recieved
cervical spinal cord contusion
♦ This caused his heart to stop and require epinephrine to restart it
resucitated cardiopulmonary arrest
♦ The lack of oxygen to his brain BEFORE resuscitation caused irreversible brain damage/death
Anoxic/ischemic encephalopathy
IMO he fell straight down like he was "diving into a shallow lake"
IMO it does not sound like he ever "hit" the other railing
* (It would require propulsion to go from one banister to the next & by hit it as well prior to landing. Wouldn't that have broken/slowed the speed of his fall?)
Something else to think about: MS's spinal cord contusion was very severe.
Most falls down the stairs or from the railing don't result in fatal injuries
. (Link is on original thread). So what could have stopped him from having control of his head and neck muscles so that when he landed on a carpeted surface, he sustained whiplash severe enough to die from (link on thread one about why whiplash is almost never fatal)? Could it be that he was unconscious (from smothering) and that is why
he couldn't break his fall with his hands or control his neck muscles to keep from hitting the floor that hard and snapping back?
JMO
All I can come up with is that he was holding onto the chandelier or was "caught" in it and unable to... (upside down using his hands to free himself)
when it fell from where it was hung! ~jmo
The problem is explaning how the scooter made it over the railing.
JMO
I so agree!
I don't think anyone here is disputing the AR findings that MS ultimately died from lack of oxygen, or that he had a spinal cord contusion. I think what some of us are debating (and are in agreement with Dr. Brad Peterson about) is that MS might have been unconscious prior to his fall.
The fall alone wouldn't have rendered him unconscious til he hit the ground, since hitting the ground is what apparently caused the contusion. (AR for reference)
The only way I can see MS having the velocity to hit the ground with the force that he did, and the only way I can see him not having the ability to break his fall with his hands, is if he was unconscious prior to hitting the ground.
JMO
CDS It's not a matter of velocity, it's how the person lands.
I had a 17 yo in the ICU with SIGNIFICANT brain injuries and he was simply sitting in the back of a truck on top of tailgate. When the red light turned green and began to move forward, he fell out backwards landing on his head. Some velocity there I guess but NOT MUCH, he just "toppled over"
His skull just popped like an egg.
According to the AR, RZ was not doing CPR when the officer arrived on scene.
Also, according to the AR, CPR was started after EMT's arrived. The EMT's manually pumped the heart and gave oxygen until the heart resumed beating.
According to both the ICU Chief and the ME, the initial lack of oxygenated blood to the BRAIN resulted in brain death. We can argue forever about whether or not his heart stopped because of the fall or suffocation but the result to Max was the same. Those first minutes of unpumped blood killed him. RZ was a certified medical technician who worked for surgeons. So, yes, I do question why she was not performing CPR on Max when the officer arrived. If she had done so, the outcome may be different.
CPR wasn't started in the first several minutes
A very odd pattern of abrasions down the boy's back
An unexplained scooter on top of him
Unexplained balls
Unexplained cut shirt
A claim he said "ocean"
Deep cuts to a girl's leg who was said to be in the shower at the time
All, add up to a very suspicious death of a small child.
JMO
I don't think any medical professional could have done anything to help without the "epi" and/or a defibrillator...
I still don't understand why she was not performing CPR though ~ unless she thought his neck was broken and it was a moot point but still!...
The abrasions down the back of an active 6 yo old boy don't bother me so much. I assume there was a good bit of glass in the area from the chandelier
(unless he didn't fall alone and that was not reported. There might have been glass between him and XZ...)
It was never mentioned that he had any glass in these cuts or that any had to be removed from his wounds did it?
The balls, cut shirt and the Ocean comment do!
The cuts on XZ IMO almost support that she was in the shower and got them upon entering the area or kneeling at Max's side to try and render aid...
AGAIN if she and Max fell together along with the chandelier and she landed on top of him... (which would add velocity as well as force) then XZ got the cuts as she got up and tried to help him???
All moo and again trying to digest this new info!
still sounding accidental...
The 15-20 min of RZ not hearing ANYTHING from an active 6 yo boy and then a "crash" sounds like he might have been doing/into something
he should not have been...
As any parent knows when kids are too quiet that can be a RED FLAG!
