MD - Cockeysville teen charged in murders of parents, two brothers *Guilty*

[Jeana (DP)]

I hear ya!! LOL!:crazy:

Of course, like you, we'll be starving his way through med school.

 

[deanws]

Of course, like you, we'll be starving his way through med school.

OMGosh...yes you will!!!!!!

You CAN'T believe!

 

[Jeana (DP)]

OMGosh...yes you will!!!!!!

You CAN'T believe!

I just hope I live long enough to be a burden on him.

 

[deanws]

I just hope I live long enough to be a burden on him.

And unlike the undergraduate level, they DON'T CARE how cute, smart, or how much community service you have done. As far as they are concered, that is what GOT YOU THERE...now you have to figure out how to KEEP yourself there! :crazy: It is about 38,000 a year PLUS lab fees a year. Then there is food, shelter and books. OMGosh at the cost of books.

 

[NoKoolaidKid]

Well I can understand your feelings, in my own family the cars are earned. My oldest son had the choice . . . do well in school, etc., and we'll buy you a car, insurance, etc. Don't do well in school and you won't even be allowed to get your driver's license. He decided not to do well, so he didn't get a car until he was 19 and could buy it himself. My second son is going to be 15 this summer. He's a straight-A student, involved in band, football, community service, etc. He will be given a car because he's earned it. Now, don't get me wrong. MANY of his classmates drive BMWs or the like. My son will not be getting an $80,000 vehicle when he's 16, but he'll be given a decent car. I feel that he has earned it. And, if he continues to do well, he'll continue to earn it. My feeling is that by going for the scholarships that he's attempting to get and is working really hard for, I'll be teaching him the value of hard work at a young age and hopefully can save about $40,000 a year in college fees.

That's great that you can afford to do this for your son. I do believe in rewards for children. But, I believe the good grade is the reward. I remember when I was in school and the feeling I got from that A on my report card. Just a simple note of praise written on my paper would make me gleam with pride. That feeling was my reward and that was worth so much more than a material thing. So, while I do believe in rewarding good behavior, I'm afraid we've crossed the line in society where we are basically paying our children to get good grades. I don't believe rewards necessarily have to be an expensive material thing. What happens when they get a job and work hard and don't get "rewarded" for it beyond their paycheck? One should do a good job for because they want to; not for the reward at the end of the road. Let's face it. An education is a gift to them. They are very fortunate to have this gift available to them. But unfortunately, we've (not talking about you, but society in general) have gotten ourselves in a place where we basically are paying our kids to behave and get good grades. Not talking about you personally. I've just seen too many kids reap their rewards but yet never learn that their actions have consequences.

I still think giving children too much is not a good thing for them. They need to earn some things themselves. Honestly, I don't know how parents even afford to give their kids cars, and the insurance on top of it. I guess that's why so many parents are so absent from the home. They are out working their butts off to give these things to their children, when what their children need more than anything is their presence.

I guess I liked a less materialistic soceity and a simpler life. I don't know how this generation could ever make it through a depression, so let's hope and pray they never have to.

 

[deanws]

I don't know how this generation could ever make it through a depression, so let's hope and pray they never have to.

They would because they would have no other option other than to "make it" or "lay down" and die. I guess they could choose. I am betting most would rise to the occasion. You are saying nothing different than the parents said about the "hippie 60's" generation, and they did just fine.

 

[NoKoolaidKid]

They would because they would have no other option other than to "make it" or "lay down" and die. I guess they could choose. I am betting most would rise to the occasion. You are saying nothing different than the parents said about the "hippie 60's" generation, and they did just fine.

I AM the hippie 60's generation. LOL!
Some did fine. Some died from drug overdoses. Some are totally messed up today.
Oh and I actually think the 60's hippies would fare better in a depression than the materialistic kids of today.
They could live on far less. Heck, 20 could live in a bus! They'd work and grow a garden. Live in communes.
I think that'd be harder for youth of the 21st century. I can't imagine a teenager of today sharing a room (bus) with 19 other people! What about their space?
Don't get me wrong. I'm not down on our youth. I have two myself! I just see too much excess given to them and a sense of entitlement from many and think it has contributed to problems in our society.

 

[deanws]

I AM the hippie 60's generation. LOL!
Some did fine. Some died from drug overdoses. Some are totally messed up today.
Oh and I actually think the 60's hippies would fare better in a depression than the materialistic kids of today.
They could live on far less. Heck, 20 could live in a bus! They'd work and grow a garden. Live in communes.
I think that'd be harder for youth of the 21st century. I can't imagine a teenager of today sharing a room (bus) with 19 other people! What about their space?
Don't get me wrong. I'm not down on our youth. I have two myself! I just see too much excess given to them and a sense of entitlement from many and think it has contributed to problems in our society.

But that WAS MY POINT! Your parent's generation said the same thing about YOUR generation that you are saying about the CURRENT generation. In other words, nothing much has changed.
:crazy:

 

[Jeana (DP)]

That's great that you can afford to do this for your son. I do believe in rewards for children. But, I believe the good grade is the reward. I remember when I was in school and the feeling I got from that A on my report card. Just a simple note of praise written on my paper would make me gleam with pride. That feeling was my reward and that was worth so much more than a material thing. So, while I do believe in rewarding good behavior, I'm afraid we've crossed the line in society where we are basically paying our children to get good grades. I don't believe rewards necessarily have to be an expensive material thing. What happens when they get a job and work hard and don't get "rewarded" for it beyond their paycheck? One should do a good job for because they want to; not for the reward at the end of the road. Let's face it. An education is a gift to them. They are very fortunate to have this gift available to them. But unfortunately, we've (not talking about you, but society in general) have gotten ourselves in a place where we basically are paying our kids to behave and get good grades. Not talking about you personally. I've just seen too many kids reap their rewards but yet never learn that their actions have consequences.

I still think giving children too much is not a good thing for them. They need to earn some things themselves. Honestly, I don't know how parents even afford to give their kids cars, and the insurance on top of it. I guess that's why so many parents are so absent from the home. They are out working their butts off to give these things to their children, when what their children need more than anything is their presence.

I guess I liked a less materialistic soceity and a simpler life. I don't know how this generation could ever make it through a depression, so let's hope and pray they never have to.

Well, I can understand your point. My husband and I are very fortunate that we can provide the material things for the kids and still have me be a full time stay home parent. My husband works from our home, so if anything, we're all together too much!! LOL Of course, in the area in which we live, we're pretty much considered "middle in terms of income, so my kids would probably take issue with anyone trying to say that they get too many material things. As I said, many of the kids in the high school my son goes to drive $80,000 cars. I don't even drive a car that's worth $80,000. Many of the homes in this area are worth over a million dollars. So, I guess by comparison, we're little fish.

Getting back to the case at issue, however, I still haven't seen anything that would go a whole long way of showing that this kid is a monster. Hopefully, more will come to light in the near future.

 

[NoKoolaidKid]

But that WAS MY POINT! Your parent's generation said the same thing about YOUR generation that you are saying about the CURRENT generation. In other words, nothing much has changed.
:crazy:

But that's not true.
A lot has changed.
Do you truly think things haven't changed?
I'm not trying to dog the young generation.
There are some great young people...I've met them.
But to say things haven't changed...I don't agree.
I am only trying to point out some aspects of society that I think are detrimental to our kids. Actually, I'm blaming the adults for not saying NO.
I feel it is the adults of today who have created this mess.

 

[NoKoolaidKid]

Well, I can understand your point. My husband and I are very fortunate that we can provide the material things for the kids and still have me be a full time stay home parent. My husband works from our home, so if anything, we're all together too much!! LOL Of course, in the area in which we live, we're pretty much considered "middle in terms of income, so my kids would probably take issue with anyone trying to say that they get too many material things. As I said, many of the kids in the high school my son goes to drive $80,000 cars. I don't even drive a car that's worth $80,000. Many of the homes in this area are worth over a million dollars. So, I guess by comparison, we're little fish.

Getting back to the case at issue, however, I still haven't seen anything that would go a whole long way of showing that this kid is a monster. Hopefully, more will come to light in the near future.

Seriously? You don't consider a kid who could PLAN to murder his family in cold blood to be a monster? I do! Wow.
So what do you consider him to be? A troubled kid?
IMO, a troubled kid does drugs. A troubled kid shoplifts. A troubled kid vandalizes. A monster kills his mom and dad and 13 and 11 year old brothers. But that's just my opinion.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Seriously? You don't consider a kid who could PLAN to murder his family in cold blood to be a monster? I do! Wow.
So what do you consider him to be? A troubled kid?
IMO, a troubled kid does drugs. A troubled kid shoplifts. A troubled kid vandalizes. A monster kills his mom and dad and 13 and 11 year old brothers. But that's just my opinion.

Nope. I sure don't. I consider him to be a teenaged murderer.

Now if he would have chopped them up and eaten parts of them and sexually abused his mother after death, then I'd think he was a monster. As bad as things are, they can always be worse.

 

[deanws]

Seriously? You don't consider a kid who could PLAN to murder his family in cold blood to be a monster? I do! Wow.
So what do you consider him to be? A troubled kid?
IMO, a troubled kid does drugs. A troubled kid shoplifts. A troubled kid vandalizes. A monster kills his mom and dad and 13 and 11 year old brothers. But that's just my opinion.

See...the killing of the younger kids is what gets to me. I mean...how could you kill your siblings? I just don't get it.

 

[MeoW333]

I really think that with the pressures on him being the oldest child, and his father wanting him to follow his footsteps, he had grew to resent his younger brothers. It said he had punched and bullied them on the bus. He may have been jealous in a way that his future seemed all set up for him, and maybe he wanted to go his own way.

 

[NoKoolaidKid]

I really think that with the pressures on him being the oldest child, and his father wanting him to follow his footsteps, he had grew to resent his younger brothers. It said he had punched and bullied them on the bus. He may have been jealous in a way that his future seemed all set up for him, and maybe he wanted to go his own way.

Then wait until you're 18 and go your own way....on your own money! :furious:

 

[deanws]

But that's not true.
A lot has changed.
Do you truly think things haven't changed?
I'm not trying to dog the young generation.
There are some great young people...I've met them.
But to say things haven't changed...I don't agree.
I am only trying to point out some aspects of society that I think are detrimental to our kids. Actually, I'm blaming the adults for not saying NO.
I feel it is the adults of today who have created this mess.

I think there isn't much change in the behavior of the human race as a whole. Sorry...I really don't.

 

[NoKoolaidKid]

Nope. I sure don't. I consider him to be a teenaged murderer.

Now if he would have chopped them up and eaten parts of them and sexually abused his mother after death, then I'd think he was a monster. As bad as things are, they can always be worse.

Sometimes I wonder if he looked different if people would feel different.
If he didn't look like this "clean cut kid"....if he wasn't an "athlete"....if he wasn't a "scout", I wonder if people would view him differently.

If he was goth, all dressed in black with the black make-up and black fingernails, weird hair, etc. would people see him differently? Would they be talking about the pressues he had or his dad maybe controlling him?
I really do wonder....

 

[Truly]

He is unquestionably a cold blooded murderer, but he is also a suburban white kid who was lucky enough to live a comfortable, bountiful life. Most of the other kids in prison are NOT from that background

From what I've seen, most cold-blooded killers ARE comfortable white boys. I think they are taught that they deserve to have everything handed to them on a silver platter. They learn in history class that being a rich white boy means that you are on top in American society. I have seen rich kids who will steal, not because they are hungry, but because it is a game to them. Most of the kids who are in prison are poor. Most rich white boys don't go to prison because their money gets them out of paying the consequences. So they learn that they can, in fact, get away with murder. Just my 2cents. Not sure how to correct the problem, but it does seem to be getting worse.

 

[NoKoolaidKid]

I think there isn't much change in the behavior of the human race as a whole. Sorry...I really don't.

That's ok. We are both entitled to our opinion. I just know I watch children today be totally disrespectful to their parents, teachers, anyone in authority and get by with it. And I don't recall that when I was a teenager. But, it's ok if we don't agree. It's interesting to discuss these things with others, whether they agree or not. Everyone brings their own thoughts and perspectives to the table and I can respect that and don't expect everyone to agree with me.

 

[NoKoolaidKid]

The funeral was today. Nick turned 16 today.
http://www.abc2news.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=ae0ce5cb-2395-47f3-8eff-6c40c538f997

"Outside, we saw many young people, some of them classmates of 13-year-old Greg and 11-year-old Ben. We were given a poem that Greg had recently written in class, saying "life was not meant to be depressive and full of death. So live life to the fullest even when drawing your last breath."

The Browning's pastor read a statement the family had written for the media:
"Our concern and love also go out to Nick. Whatever else lies ahead, he is a member of our family and he will have our support."