MD - Freddie Gray dies in police custody #1

[LietKynes]

Would like to think that is what WS if for - to wade through the 'on-line swirling reports' and determine what is true. Jmo.

RSBM

When the 'thanks' button is not enough ! Exactly my thoughts on this. I feel we who are here at WS can (respectfully) 'agree to disagree'.
MOO.

 

[MsFacetious]

Jayne Miller
@jemillerwbal
For 1st time we hear from relative of 1of 6 officers suspended in the Freddie Gray case. ..says he thinks 'he did nothing wrong' @wbaltv11

David Collins
@dcollinsWBAL
Jayne Miller interviewed a relative of one of the suspended officers.

 

[MsFacetious]

Police: Freddie Gray report won't be released to public

BALTIMORE —No report on the death of Freddie Gray will be released Friday contrary to an announcement made by Baltimore's top cop last week, a police official said Wednesday.

http://www.wbaltv.com/news/schools-reopen-in-baltimore-streets-quiet-after-curfew/32637796

 

[MsFacetious]

David Collins
@dcollinsWBAL
Relative :police won't belt detainee in because they risk being attacked. Even if they don't have hands or feet they still have their mouth

:thud:

David Collins
@dcollinsWBAL
Jayne Miller asked relative of suspended officer "does this officer believe he did anything wrong? No , but regret someone was killed.

 

[katydid23]

I saw a CNN clip where they showed the inside of one of the detainee vans. There is not enough room for a cop to climb inside and belt someone in safely---very tiny space.

 

[mysteriew]

David Collins
@dcollinsWBAL
Relative :police won't belt detainee in because they risk being attacked. Even if they don't have hands or feet they still have their mouth

:thud:

David Collins
@dcollinsWBAL
Jayne Miller asked relative of suspended officer "does this officer believe he did anything wrong? No , but regret someone was killed.

Well that does help to explain why they seem to not belt them in. And I can understand that reasoning.

 

[dandy]

Police: Freddie Gray report won't be released to public

BALTIMORE —No report on the death of Freddie Gray will be released Friday contrary to an announcement made by Baltimore's top cop last week, a police official said Wednesday.

http://www.wbaltv.com/news/schools-reopen-in-baltimore-streets-quiet-after-curfew/32637796

imo this is not going to sit well with the public . . . but this quote from your article says they're not going to release "all" the information. if they want this weekend to be peaceful, they've got to release "some"thing.

However, Kowalczyk said because the integrity of the investigation has to be protected, "We cannot release all the information from the investigation to the public." He said in being held accountable with the state's attorney, the Police Department would be accountable to the public."

 

[sorrell skye]

If the design of the police van doesn't allow for the safe transport of the prisoners, the vans need to be redesigned.

There is absolutely NO EXUSE for a prisoner to be subjected to unnecessary potential harm due to the inability of the police officers to enter the back of the van and belt them in.

As far as I'm aware, seatbelts are required in automobiles in every state. Why are they not required when transporting prisoners to jail?

IMO, this is NOT acceptable.

 

[SStarr33]

David Collins
@dcollinsWBAL
Relative olice won't belt detainee in because they risk being attacked. Even if they don't have hands or feet they still have their mouth

:thud:

David Collins
@dcollinsWBAL
Jayne Miller asked relative of suspended officer "does this officer believe he did anything wrong? No , but regret someone was killed.

Very true. Never thought about that.

 

[EllieBee]

And this is why "the people" get pizzed. Abuse of power and zero accountability.

It happened here in the 1770's. It happened in France in the 1780's and it happened in Russia in the 1910's.

Revolution happens all over the world and yet somehow we think we are immune, that we should blindly follow people in power who hurt and abuse us.

We fought AGAINST this crap in our American Revolution and now we have become just like our very own oppressors. I have read so many posts calling to disallow any protesting. (Not rioting, PROTESTING). That right is guaranteed in our First Amendment.

Maybe those folks that don't think the First Amendment is all that important would be willing to prove that by giving up their SECOND Amendment rights?

Nah, didn't think so.

 

[katydid23]

If the design of the police van doesn't allow for the safe transport of the prisoners, the vans need to be redesigned.

There is absolutely NO EXUSE for a prisoner to be subjected to unnecessary potential harm due to the inability of the police officers to enter the back of the van and belt them in.

As far as I'm aware, seatbelts are required in automobiles in every state. Why are they not required when transporting prisoners to jail?

IMO, this is NOT acceptable.

I think the majority are belted in because most of them are compliant, cooperative. But if someone is resisting and combative, then it becomes a problem. I agree they should reconfigure though.

 

[KEVINinTO]

Online reports are swirling that*Freddie Grayhad spinal surgery shortly before he died in police custody, and collected a payout in a settlement from a car accident. Those reports — which raise questions about the injury that led to his death in April 19 — point to Howard County court records as proof.

But court records examined Wednesday by The Baltimore Sun show the case had nothing to do with a car accident or a spine injury. Instead, they are connected to a lawsuit alleging that Gray and his sister were injured by exposure lead paint.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-gray-settlement-20150429-story.html

I find it interesting that the report claims the insurance settlement pertained to lead paint exposure and yet there is this contradictory information:

In his documents, Freddie Gray checked "work injury, medical malpractice and auto accident" as the type of accident. When asked to explain, he also wrote something that is unreadable

Why would Freddie Gray check "auto accident" if he was not in an auto accident?

Also I find it interesting that the family lawyer doesn't categorically deny that Gray had undergone surgery saying only they have no evidence at this point. Not very convincing IMO:

Jason Downs, an attorney who is with Murphy's firm and represents one of Gray's relatives, said, "We have no information or evidence at this point to indicate that there is a prior pre-existing spinal injury. It's a rumor."

 

[EllieBee]

If the design of the police van doesn't allow for the safe transport of the prisoners, the vans need to be redesigned.

There is absolutely NO EXUSE for a prisoner to be subjected to unnecessary potential harm due to the inability of the police officers to enter the back of the van and belt them in.

As far as I'm aware, seatbelts are required in automobiles in every state. Why are they not required when transporting prisoners to jail?

IMO, this is NOT acceptable.

IMO, based on what I have read and observed in video, Freddy was gravely injured before even being placed in the wagon. He was screaming. It was horrific.

If that were the end, and he turned up just fine we would be saying, "what a drama king".

Fact is, this man who was screaming in pain, and dragged to the wagon with limp legs, died that week from his injuries, whatever you believe they were.

Another fact is, there is a history of horrific injury inflicted on suspects by the BPD.

I chose to do the math and sit on this side of the fence. If I am presented with evidence to refute the most likely scenario, then I might climb back up or over the fence.

 

[sorrell skye]

And this is why "the people" get pizzed. Abuse of power and zero accountability.

It happened here in the 1770's. It happened in France in the 1780's and it happened in Russia in the 1910's.

Revolution happens all over the world and yet somehow we think we are immune, that we should blindly follow people in power who hurt and abuse us.

We fought AGAINST this crap in our American Revolution and now we have become just like our very own oppressors. I have read so many posts calling to disallow any protesting. (Not rioting, PROTESTING). That right is guaranteed in our First Amendment.

Maybe those folks that don't think the First Amendment is all that important would be willing to prove that by giving up their SECOND Amendment rights?

Nah, didn't think so.

I fully support the 1st Amendment rights of each & every citizen of this country to peaceably assemble. I've participated in several large-scale marches during the course of my lifetime.

I strongly denounce any demands to disallow peaceable protests. The right to protest is a sacred right that I will always staunchly defend.

Having said that, I also vehemently denounce any action that breaches the boundaries of peaceable assembly. I refuse to acknowledge any action that is violent or destructive as a legitimate form of protest.

 

[EllieBee]

Also, why would BPD suspend six officers so quickly if they weren't in CYA mode?
IMO, they know. They know and they are finally seeing the gravity of their actions.

 

[mysteriew]

I personally don't have a problem with protesting. It is a time honored way for groups of people to bring forward complaints that they feel are not being addressed. But I do have a problem when some portions of that group begin turn to lawless behavior. When it's a protest that is great. But when the riot starts it is time for them to either go home or go to jail. I the projectile caused an injury it should be jail. When it turns to arson, looting and other violence they should go to jail. That isn't just because of the law, it is public safety reasons. Even the rioters were in danger Mon. night IMO.

 

[jjenny]

Also, why would BPD suspend six officers so quickly if they weren't in CYA mode?
IMO, they know. They know and they are finally seeing the gravity of their actions.

Suspension is a standard operating procedure when someone dies. It doesn't tell you anything of what somebody knows.

 

[Nova]

...Why would Freddie Gray check "auto accident" if he was not in an auto accident?....

Maybe "work injury, medical malpractice and auto accident" was all one box on the form; hence, the request to explain which your source says is illegible.

I'm just guessing. I haven't seen the form.

 

[al66pine]

Police: Freddie Gray report won't be released to public.
BALTIMORE —No report on the death of Freddie Gray will be released Friday contrary to an announcement made by Baltimore's top cop last week, a police official said Wednesday.
http://www.wbaltv.com/news/schools-reopen-in-baltimore-streets-quiet-after-curfew/32637796

Link & ^ say "contrary to announcement"

I recall PD stmt that the PD investigation would be completed by May 1-- as noted in link--
but do not see in that article or other stories linked in it - that the PD rpt w/b released to the public
immed.

Anybody? A link stating entire PD rpt w/be made public immed?

 

[mysteriew]

Also, why would BPD suspend six officers so quickly if they weren't in CYA mode?
IMO, they know. They know and they are finally seeing the gravity of their actions.

It is pretty much standard to suspend officers after a police involved shooting across the country. In this case there was no shooting, but there was a death in custody and no clear picture as to what happened. I would expect no less than for the officers to be suspended at least until the investigation is over.