MD - Freddie Gray dies in police custody #1

[Zuri]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cervical_fracture

C1 and C2 fractures are the most catastrophic as they affect the respiratory center in the brain. Both of these vertebra sit high into your skull. IIRC, FG had fractures in C3-5? plus a mostly severed spinal cord ~80%. If FG had had his spine immobilized initially, received emergency care, stabilized and fused, maybe, just maybe, he might have lived, albeit paralyzed.

Was the report about his having been in a car accident true or not? I think I saw conflicting reports and I am not sure. If he had been, I hope the DT is looking at those X-rays, provided he sought medical treatment. With the information we have been given, if his arrest and subsequent treatment was the sole cause of his injuries, the officers are in a big time jam. It takes a tremendous amount of force to inflict these injuries. And FG did himself further damage acting out in the police van, if the reports are true.

If LE is responsible for the initial injury, how much blame or responsibility does FG bear? I think that would be difficult to determine if I was a juror.

 

[SStarr33]

Why did the officers take this indirect route? More questions!

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I don't know how it works, but it seems to me they would just drive around for a few hours picking up the bad guys that the bike cops arrest and then take them to the station.

 

[shadowraiths]

On Fox , Shepard Smith said ( verbally so no link ) that one of the officers arrested had severe mental problems, so severe that at one point they ( le ? ) took his gun and he was admitted to hospital ( mental ? ) .

BALTIMORE – The highest-ranking Baltimore police officer in the arrest that led to Freddie Gray's death was hospitalized in April 2012 over mental health concerns for an unknown duration and had his guns confiscated by local sheriff's deputies, according to records from the sheriff's office and court obtained by The Associated Press.​

Fox News

 

[scmom]

A spring-assisted, one hand knife. Not a regular pocket knife. According to the document above.

Something to quibble about, but it's made for the same purpose as a switchblade. One handed operation.

 

[mysteriew]

On Fox , Shepard Smith said ( verbally so no link ) that one of the officers arrested had severe mental problems, so severe that at one point they ( le ? ) took his gun and he was admitted to hospital ( mental ? ) . If that is the case, then why was he back on the force in a capacity that dealt with public ?

Also, I 've been thinking about this 'illegal arrest'. It sounds to me like what they are saying is since the arrest was illegal, then there is no protocol to follow like how to treat a detained or handcuffed man . That is no longer leo's vs. prisoner but now is just human v human. I mean I wonder if they are removing any ' on duty' behavior by the leo's and saying it's as if 6 men walked up to 1 man at church and did this to him, then the results would be these charges. Did my post make any sense? It's hard for me to explain. :S

From what I am hearing the previous incident was part of a domestic situation. I forget if it was divorce or custody. But the other party alleged he threatened harm to himself. With that type of history they would usually get doctors statements after situation cooled.

Illegal arrest. The way I am thinking they may have had cause for the stop, probably the frisk too. The arrest is questionable. But no matter the finding on the previous two issues, his treatment after the arrest (legal or illegal) is also questionable and possibly chargable.

 

[popsicle]

I'm not sure exactly what you mean here? There are knives that made that open without an automatic spring, both spring assisted, and gravity knives. Spring assisted is what FG was carrying.

I believe they are all illegal. If you can open it with one hand/finger it is illegal.

 

[mysteriew]

Oh dear, Cyril wetc (sp?) on CNN calling it an "open and closed case" and that FG was "hog tied.," before being put in the van.

Tobin calling him out. Rightly so IMO b/c CW is speaking as if he's read the MEs report, and last time I checked hog tied meant hands and feet tie together behind the back, this is not at all what it sounds like happend???

This whole thing is very messy!

There are some who do not seem to think this is bad enough. They feel they have to inflate it.

 

[bestill]

Wow...

"At the same time, Mosby's political life is complicated. She has ties to the Gray family's attorney, William H. "Billy" Murphy Jr.; he donated $5,000 to her campaign and served on her transition committee. And her husband, Nick, serves on the City Council, representing the area where Gray died."

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-gray-mosby-20150501-story.html#page=1

 

[Sonya610]

Shimon Prokupecz ‏@ShimonPro 1m1 minute ago
The 6 police officers have been booked in local jail. Being processed; waiting to find out what their bail will be. #FreddieGray

This just seems so very very wrong.

If a police officer wants to talk to you and you decide to RUN and make them chase you then that deserves charges, seems to me they had every right to take him into custody. The fact he was a convicted criminal many times over just adds to the justification.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I'm still wondering what they would be getting away with. Obviously some sort of negligence but I'm still waiting on any hint that a murder was committed.

Negligent homicide is murder.

They did not follow procedure. They did not get him medical attention. They did not secure him in the car. They are officers. They know better.
If I did any of the above and my child died, I would be charged the same.

They were wrong. I feel bad for the good officers but I can not believe that none of these officers said. STOP lets get an emt here. Or lets make sure he is strapped in.

This was just stupid. He did not have to die and they did not have to be so incompetent.

 

[corundogs]

It is stated in the charging documents that Freddie Gray sold a switch blade knife. Maybe this is old news. First time I have heard or read anything about it.

See PDF - Under description of charge:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/ma...ents-for-freddie-gray-20150420-htmlstory.html

IMO, that wording is based on the statute of the law. They didn't know he had a knife until they caught him after running. It was not why they chased him - they didn't see a potential transaction of the selling of the knife.

And of course, that was what they came up with to charge him, because they had nothing else.

If the SA is saying that the knife is legal, and this was an unlawful arrest...I have no doubt she has proof of that.

 

[SStarr33]

This just seems so very very wrong.

If a police officer wants to talk to you and you decide to RUN and make them chase you then that deserves charges, seems to me they had every right to take him into custody. The fact he was a convicted criminal many times over just adds to the justification.

They do since it is a high crime area.

Mosby must have forgotten that

 

[corundogs]

I believe they are all illegal. If you can open it with one hand/finger it is illegal.

I don't think so. Otherwise, the SA wouldn't have said it was an illegal arrest. She stated the knife was legal.

 

[SStarr33]

Baltimore Sergeant Warns Superiors: “It Is About To Get Ugly”

http://www.buzzfeed.com/albertsamah...ns-superiors-its-about-to-get-ugly#.te3QNaLoy

 

[mysteriew]

Wow...

"At the same time, Mosby's political life is complicated. She has ties to the Gray family's attorney, William H. "Billy" Murphy Jr.; he donated $5,000 to her campaign and served on her transition committee. And her husband, Nick, serves on the City Council, representing the area where Gray died."

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-gray-mosby-20150501-story.html#page=1

Yeah the more that comes out about this admin. the more I question if they can be impartial in their decision making.

 

[corundogs]

This just seems so very very wrong.

If a police officer wants to talk to you and you decide to RUN and make them chase you then that deserves charges, seems to me they had every right to take him into custody. The fact he was a convicted criminal many times over just adds to the justification.

They had a right to chase him and find out if he had anything illegal (drugs/weapons, etc). If he did, the arrest would have been legal. Just because you are a criminal, if you aren't doing anything illegal AT THE TIME, you cannot be arrested under the law!

Since again, the SA said the knife was legal. So they had NO RIGHT to arrest him, hence unlawful arrest.

 

[SStarr33]

I want someone to ask this guy if they are exonerated will they go along with it.

 

[Sonya610]

I don't think so. Otherwise, the SA wouldn't have said it was an illegal arrest. She stated the knife was legal.

I believe switch blades are a felony in most, if not all states. In the 1950's they got a bad reputation (used by hoodlums) and now they are illegal.

I looked it up cause I bought one in Germany and brought it home, they are awesome knives, flick on flick off, no constantly exposed blade or the need to struggle and pull out a folded blade. Sadly I don't have it anymore, left it behind during the divorce.

 

[shadowraiths]

Transcript of Marilyn J. Mosby’s Statement on Freddie Gray

 

[CuriousGuy]

Wow...

"At the same time, Mosby's political life is complicated. She has ties to the Gray family's attorney, William H. "Billy" Murphy Jr.; he donated $5,000 to her campaign and served on her transition committee. And her husband, Nick, serves on the City Council, representing the area where Gray died."

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-gray-mosby-20150501-story.html#page=1

There ya go