Found Deceased ME - Lisa Cox, 30, Brunswick, 19 Oct 2015

[shefner]

Former employee posts FB message for Lisa:https://www.facebook.com/BathSaving...45649733135/10154296679728136/?type=3&theater

 

[Ontario Mom]

I'd sure like to know what she was found hanging from and how far off the ground she actually was. I think both of those things would help settle it for me if it was actual suicide or not. Right now? I'm just not buying it.

 

[LayzeeDayzee]

A few things to mention.

In this MSM article, it shows the guy in the middle of the photo, carrying a Ladder. That indicates to me that she was high enough up in a tree, being only 5'3" herself, that obviously rather tall men at the scene there had to use a ladder to get her down.



http://www.pressherald.com/2015/10/...ssing-brunswick-woman-and-her-5-year-old-son/

Also.......her BF has a rather extensive criminal past, as per public records.

How does anyone really know that his account of the last time he saw her, during their alleged argument that evening over "cigarettes" is in fact true? Can anyone else corroborate that story? When was Lisa last seen by someone OTHER THAN her BF? When did the family friends (of hers) they were staying with last see her that day?

Curious to know how hidden from view, the location her body was found hanging from was............could it be seen from a road? From the house? Houses around there? Or was it super dense and out of sight?

The fact that she was found so close to that home, a mere 150 ft...........and the fact that a ladder was required as per the photo, that says to me that she was likely pretty darn high up the tree such that even if searchers did search that area, if they didn't think to look upward into the trees, or it was a pretty full and bushy tree such that a hanging body would be difficult to see, it would make sense that they didn't find her sooner. Which of course then further begs the question several of us here have --- how did someone who, according to friends/family members, was "blind as a bat without her glasses", no shoes, in cold temps of the 30s and raining, supposedly in pitch dark, manage to make her way into the forest and climb up a tree and hang herself? to me it just seems logistically impossible.

The ladder the State Police guy is carrying, to me, looks like one of those common Aluminum Telescoping Ladders, like this one here at Home Depot (just as an example). They are light but sturdy, can extend to decent heights and can be used multiple configurations depending on what you need to get up to, and are nice and compact for easy storage, like in a Police Van, etc:



http://www.homedepot.ca/product/alu...dder-grade-1a-300-load-capacity-17-fee/964425

Just my opinion.

 

[Coppertop15]

That is just straight up weird.

 

[FrostOwl]

Could there have been some kind of children's swing or other rope material hanging from the tree that she used? If she was familiar with the area she might have known if there were something to use. It could have been an accident that she died, maybe she thought that the BF would come after her and rescue her, but when he didn't come looking for her, ...

 

[dwfnurse]

http://medind.nic.in/jal/t05/i3/jalt05i3p149.pdf

I am very curious about what the autopsy will say. Check out the last sentence of the second paragraph under 'abstract'. It's a case study on fractures of the hyoid bone; hanging vs strangulation.

This case gives me a really bad feeling.

 

[ms_x_to_the_m]

It's been reported she had on a skirt with tights. I'm thinking that maybe she took them off and used them. I can't wait for the autopsy report. I'm very curious to know how this happened.

 

[bluesneakers]

It's been reported she had on a skirt with tights. I'm thinking that maybe she took them off and used them. I can't wait for the autopsy report. I'm very curious to know how this happened.

I think she might have used the tights too, but it depends on what they mean by "tights." Something like hose/nylons would work, but I don't think she'd would have been able to use running tights or leggings.

I'm interested in the autopsy too. I wish they would tell us what she used, where she got whatever it was (could she have been wearing a belt?), and how high she was in the tree when they found her. I'm also curious about her time of death. It might have been hours later. Maybe she didn't tie whatever it was to the tree until hours after the sun came up.

I think the idea about there was something already hanging in the tree and she knew about it is interesting and possible, but it just seems unlikely to me.

 

[shefner]

I don't trust the boyfriend.

 

[TravelingBug]

http://www.funeralalternatives.net/obituaries/obit-details.php?Cox-914

 

[shefner]

http://www.funeralalternatives.net/obituaries/obit-details.php?Cox-914

Mm mm....boyfriend left out of obit.

Beautiful picture there of Lisa...bless her heart.


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[Vail]

To give some perspective on how this could be suicide, check out these two cases:

Justin hung himself in the top of a fir tree in a house's front yard less than 500m from where he exited a friends car in an upset and was not found for 6 months. He used his belt.

Case Summary: http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...d-where-his-body-has-been-for-last-six-months

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Kinnon-Blomme-21-Calgary-AB-24-September-2014

Amber hung herself in a hedgerow in the middle of a neighborhood less than a mile from her home with her own jacket. Thankfully she was found soon after by a dog.

Case Summary: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-troubling-story-death-modern-Cinderella.html

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...r-Peat-12-Nottinghamshire-England-30-May-2015


Edit: I think it is natural for the family to sort of shun the BF right now. In the throes of grief it is easy to blame whoever could have prevented it, or who may be seen as the motivation. I don't think this was just about cigs. I envision a scenario where he tells her he doesn't want to stay in Maine (maybe as retaliation in anger for something less) and her whole world closes. She would be utterly alone, she would be rejected, etc.

It was said she had recently found god after going through rough times. Finding God is often a coping mechanism and does not necessarily lead to the devout and learned thinking a deeply spiritual person possesses after years of devotion and study. Just a thought that there is definitely more to her state of mind than we can see on Facebook (which to me still indicates someone that could very well have been depressed).

 

[shefner]

I would buy into it very readily IF she had been wearing her glasses. Why wasn't she wearing her glasses during her argument with the bf? She was practically blind without them...


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[Hexe]

To give some perspective on how this could be suicide, check out these two cases:

Justin hung himself in the top of a fir tree in a house's front yard less than 500m from where he exited a friends car in an upset and was not found for 6 months. He used his belt.

Case Summary: http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...d-where-his-body-has-been-for-last-six-months

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Kinnon-Blomme-21-Calgary-AB-24-September-2014

Amber hung herself in a hedgerow in the middle of a neighborhood less than a mile from her home with her own jacket. Thankfully she was found soon after by a dog.

Case Summary: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-troubling-story-death-modern-Cinderella.html

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...r-Peat-12-Nottinghamshire-England-30-May-2015


Edit: I think it is natural for the family to sort of shun the BF right now. In the throes of grief it is easy to blame whoever could have prevented it, or who may be seen as the motivation. I don't think this was just about cigs. I envision a scenario where he tells her he doesn't want to stay in Maine (maybe as retaliation in anger for something less) and her whole world closes. She would be utterly alone, she would be rejected, etc.

It was said she had recently found god after going through rough times. Finding God is often a coping mechanism and does not necessarily lead to the devout and learned thinking a deeply spiritual person possesses after years of devotion and study. Just a thought that there is definitely more to her state of mind than we can see on Facebook (which to me still indicates someone that could very well have been depressed).

I could believe Lisa's death was a suicide if she had her glasses on. Even in the deepest desperation she would remember to put them on, as she wouldn't be able to move freely without them, being practically blind. And in the darkness of the cloudy October night her eyesight had to be next to none.

And anyway, why wouldn't she have her glasses on during the argument?

 

[pappa rob]

I could believe Lisa's death was a suicide if she had her glasses on. Even in the deepest desperation she would remember to put them on, as she wouldn't be able to move freely without them, being practically blind. And in the darkness of the cloudy October night her eyesight had to be next to none.

And anyway, why wouldn't she have her glasses on during the argument?

I don't see well without my glasses, but normally when I'm at home I go without.

 

[shefner]

I don't see well without my glasses, but normally when I'm at home I go without.

I can't go anywhere without my glasses. I literally can't see. Lisa's family said she was the same.


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[pittie_mcclure]

I could believe Lisa's death was a suicide if she had her glasses on. Even in the deepest desperation she would remember to put them on, as she wouldn't be able to move freely without them, being practically blind. And in the darkness of the cloudy October night her eyesight had to be next to none.

And anyway, why wouldn't she have her glasses on during the argument?

If she was at home maybe she normally relaxes or something without them. My two best friends (twins) are blind but have a bad habit of not wearing their glasses when they're feeling lazy, comfortable, etc. there have been times when we're hanging out and halfway through I realize they can barely even see me or the tv but since they've had bad eyesight forever it's something they've gotten used to. I think it's the funniest thing, like why be blind if you can just put on your glasses? But sometimes they just don't want to wear something on their face or put in contacts. While I don't wear glasses I've driven while crying and even though I couldn't see very well I had a destination to get to (not safe but emotions make us do things out of character) If BF threatens to leave her, whatever, maybe she was so upset that common sense stuff wouldn't matter. Why would glasses matter if you're so upset you can't see through tears anyway? Do you need to take off glasses if you're crying? I don't wear glasses so I'm not sure.

Also, when my husband and I get into it we separate for a few hours. Whether that means separate rooms of the house or me getting in my car and going, it happens and we don't check on each other. If we fought at night and told him I was going next door, he'd assume I was sleeping there and not care until the AM. We don't fight often, but 1/2 times a year it happens and we are stubborn.

Anyway, the boyfriend has been off with the story & has a record but the actual events as presented don't immediately strike me as suspicious.

I haven't seen this but if she was so high in the tree what's the speculation of how somebody got her up there if she didn't climb herself? I know she was tiny but lifting a limp body into a tree & hanging them in the middle of the night seems like a task and a half. I know there would be a lot of motivation and adrenaline going on but I'm curious as to other theories there.

Either way I'm sad to see a life end too soon. I hope Lisa finds peace wherever it is she may be.

 

[shefner]

If she was at home maybe she normally relaxes or something without them. My two best friends (twins) are blind but have a bad habit of not wearing their glasses when they're feeling lazy, comfortable, etc. there have been times when we're hanging out and halfway through I realize they can barely even see me or the tv but since they've had bad eyesight forever it's something they've gotten used to. I think it's the funniest thing, like why be blind if you can just put on your glasses? But sometimes they just don't want to wear something on their face or put in contacts. While I don't wear glasses I've driven while crying and even though I couldn't see very well I had a destination to get to (not safe but emotions make us do things out of character) If BF threatens to leave her, whatever, maybe she was so upset that common sense stuff wouldn't matter. Why would glasses matter if you're so upset you can't see through tears anyway? Do you need to take off glasses if you're crying? I don't wear glasses so I'm not sure.

Also, when my husband and I get into it we separate for a few hours. Whether that means separate rooms of the house or me getting in my car and going, it happens and we don't check on each other. If we fought at night and told him I was going next door, he'd assume I was sleeping there and not care until the AM. We don't fight often, but 1/2 times a year it happens and we are stubborn.

Anyway, the boyfriend has been off with the story & has a record but the actual events as presented don't immediately strike me as suspicious.

I haven't seen this but if she was so high in the tree what's the speculation of how somebody got her up there if she didn't climb herself? I know she was tiny but lifting a limp body into a tree & hanging them in the middle of the night seems like a task and a half. I know there would be a lot of motivation and adrenaline going on but I'm curious as to other theories there.

Either way I'm sad to see a life end too soon. I hope Lisa finds peace wherever it is she may be.

I am not a murderer but I would think you could lay the body on the ground, wrap a rope around the tree limb, place the noose around the neck of the body on the ground and then pull the rope to hoist the body up.

 

[bluesneakers]

I am not a murderer but I would think you could lay the body on the ground, wrap a rope around the tree limb, place the noose around the neck of the body on the ground and then pull the rope to hoist the body up.

JMO but all of that activity would leave enough evidence it wouldn't be ruled a suicide.

 

[Yvettea]

I am not a murderer but I would think you could lay the body on the ground, wrap a rope around the tree limb, place the noose around the neck of the body on the ground and then pull the rope to hoist the body up.

Yes, investigation of the crime scene and the autopsy will be critical in this case. I hope they like to think outside the box.