ME Report

[Zanko]

Forgive me if this has been asked/answered, but are we looking at the tox screen from the ER, the hospital (at what time) or from the ME, and if so, how soon after she was declared? Phenolred, do you have the information for a conscious person and information for a recently deceased?

 

[VASHLEY88]

Depending on the strength of the weed, it may not have been enough puffs, or maybe she "pretended" to inhale. Or if she wasn't smoking any at all but LDJ and ADF were, the chances are VERY small that she got any from second hand smoke.. but with hair and skin test THC can be detected for months and it's very sensitive.

I think if we can get a hold of the ER tox test, or even if LE can.. a lot more can be determined about what was in her system because the time frame is shorter since she lived for what.. about 20 hours?

Yes she can get medication without adult consent if she is a minor. As long as it isn't controlled, I believe. Even if a doctor did not give her a script to fill, he cannot refuse her treatment. I went to urgent care in Phoenix when I was 16 or 17 for broken fingers and they gave me an RX to fill, though. So I don't know.. I think as long as the doctor goes over side-effects and makes sure you know exactly when to take it and how much to take and he (or she) thinks you're responsible enough they'll prescribe it to you if you're underage. But even so, her teeth and body were in pretty good health prior to the jump so somebody was making sure she was medically taken care of. I have heard of minors having to call their parents so that the clinic can speak with them to make sure they are allowed to treat them. But she could have called anybody claiming that it was her legal guardian. Maybe she was emancipated so she was accountable for herself already..

How can we get a hold of the hospital records.. or at least get LE to.. call Scottsdale-Osborne?

 

[VASHLEY88]

Wait, I just went back when the ME report was first "posted".. and absinthe stated that her "hospital" blood was tested negative for drugs. Which would have been the ER blood, right?

 

[believe09]

The ME report is going to be put up via link as soon as some of the craziness subsides on the whole WS board-the super mod attending to it has been insanely busy...so for those of you who are still waiting to see for yourselves, hopefully it will be up in the next few days....

 

[VASHLEY88]

The ME report is going to be put up via link as soon as some of the craziness subsides on the whole WS board-the super mod attending to it has been insanely busy...so for those of you who are still waiting to see for yourselves, hopefully it will be up in the next few days....

Praise Jesus. :clap:

 

[thefragile7393]

How can we get a hold of the hospital records.. or at least get LE to.. call Scottsdale-Osborne?

LE will be the only people to get them at this point--maybe. This area was at one time my specialty.

When a person comes in with no ID, they are registered as a Jane or John Doe (or some other hospital specific code for unknown persons) until their identity is known. If it's not known then it remains under that code. Example, one time we had a lady come in to the ER who was acting very bizarre, erratic, kept stating that she didn't want to give her name because "they" could find her. She remained Female, 37 in the hospital's computer.

Finding the records would be easy enough, as all that would be needed would be the dates she would have been admitted to the hospital and checking the list for un-ID'ed patients.

At any rate, with HIPAA running around (even before then, but especially now) only the patient or the patient's authorized representative can get records. Lawyers can subpoena them with patient's consent. LE will need the same thing.

In this case...there MIGHT be a possibility of LE getting records without consent but it could be a fight. There's no relatives that we know of, patient cannot give consent, but as it's up to each facility to determine how to apply HIPAA, they might or might not have a fight to get the records.

This would need to be done relatively soon. I believe AZ law for hospitals is keeping the records onsite for 10 years from last date seen, then moved off-site and eventually destroyed. If it's not exactly this, it's something somewhat similar most likely.

 

[VASHLEY88]

LE will be the only people to get them at this point--maybe. This area was at one time my specialty.

When a person comes in with no ID, they are registered as a Jane or John Doe (or some other hospital specific code for unknown persons) until their identity is known. If it's not known then it remains under that code. Example, one time we had a lady come in to the ER who was acting very bizarre, erratic, kept stating that she didn't want to give her name because "they" could find her. She remained Female, 37 in the hospital's computer.

Finding the records would be easy enough, as all that would be needed would be the dates she would have been admitted to the hospital and checking the list for un-ID'ed patients.

At any rate, with HIPAA running around (even before then, but especially now) only the patient or the patient's authorized representative can get records. Lawyers can subpoena them with patient's consent. LE will need the same thing.

In this case...there MIGHT be a possibility of LE getting records without consent but it could be a fight. There's no relatives that we know of, patient cannot give consent, but as it's up to each facility to determine how to apply HIPAA, they might or might not have a fight to get the records.

This would need to be done relatively soon. I believe AZ law for hospitals is keeping the records onsite for 10 years from last date seen, then moved off-site and eventually destroyed. If it's not exactly this, it's something somewhat similar most likely.

Thank you so much for all of this information, although it sounds kind of discouraging. I only know routine procedure for transport to the ER, but I figured there would be a "fight" trying to obtain a patient's hospital records without her or an authorized person's consent because of confidentiality issues. I wonder if LE would even consider it or if they have already obtained the records..

 

[thefragile7393]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say I doubt it, at least not yet. If this case has been on the back burner, there's a good chance they haven't. I do hope that if anyone is in contact with the detectives on this case that they are urged to do all they can to try and get them.

Different hospitals have different procedures.....some MIGHT microfiche old records. the hospitals I worked at did not. If anyone likes, PM me the name of the hospital she went to (or has it been mentioned?) and what I can do is at least find out how long they keep records, if they do microfiche after a certain amount of time, etc. I obviously can't find out anything else but knowing their policies could help.

 

[Fairy1]

Are you able to find out if LE has obtained MJD's medical records from the hospital???

 

[christine2448]

http://www.websleuths.com/christine2448/ME/

LINK TO ME REPORT

 

[phenolred]

whooo Hooo Finally!!!! Well the one thing that I noticed was that the HOSPITAL BLOOD is indicated as being from 1-26-99 at 1500 hrs, the accident occured around 1400 hrs.

So, I think that will clear up a few things other than the fact, her hospial blood showed she had taken hydroxyzine before the accident...

Which is COULD have been for Anxiety Itching (antihistimine) or it is related to the ingredient in Drammanine

hydroxyzine is rapidly diffused in the body and absorbed, It has a half-life observed on average for around 7-10 hours in adults, 6-7 hours in children

So she had to have taken the day of the accident

 

[believe09]

whooo Hooo Finally!!!! Well the one thing that I noticed was that the HOSPITAL BLOOD is indicated as being from 1-26-99 at 1500 hrs, the accident occured around 1400 hrs.

So, I think that will clear up a few things other than the fact, her hospial blood showed she had taken hydroxyzine before the accident...

Which is COULD have been for Anxiety Itching (antihistimine) or it is related to the ingredient in Drammanine

hydroxyzine is rapidly diffused in the body and absorbed, It has a half-life observed on average for around 7-10 hours in adults, 6-7 hours in children

So she had to have taken the day of the accident

Or EMS administered it on scene?

 

[rccook555]

http://www.websleuths.com/christine2448/ME/

LINK TO ME REPORT

Thank you Christine2448! :blowkiss:

 

[christine2448]

:blowkiss:Thanks for your patience everyone!

 

[phenolred]

Or EMS administered it on scene?

Yeah I wonder IF that is something THEY would have given her. I think its pretty telling that she had NOTHING in her BLood other than that at the time of the accident.

If she was out on the streets I dont think she was out there for very long, she had no drugs in her system. Her fingernails and toenails were nicely trimmed per the ME report and Painted nails, her legs were clean shaven. and nothing remarkable about her reproductive system.

Hey maybe she took Dramamine in anticipation of going on a long car ride with them. Maybe she was prone to car sickness and took it before leaving with them.maybe maybe maybe just thinking outloud LOL

 

[thefragile7393]

Are you able to find out if LE has obtained MJD's medical records from the hospital???

No. I can however find out what the hospital's policies are, and the likelihood of them still being on site, what happens after a certain amount of time, what the time limit is, etc. Actually anyone can do this, it's not hard, it's just I used to do this for a living and I finally feel somewhat useful for something on this site is all. I don't know what good it would do, but at least it could be passed on to LE what the policies are, should they be interested in getting those records. If they don't know already.

 

[rccook555]

If im not mistaken i thought norchlorcyclizine was used in Preoperative surgery. This helps to reduce nausea and vomiting. I am thinking this was given while she had the Intracranial pressure monitor put in or possibly to control nausea and vomiting while she had the endotracheal tube in her mouth...just thinking outloud also...
I agree Phenolred.. i dont think she had been on the streets for very long. Lack of drugs in her systems, healthy reproductive system, very clean and well cared for, just doesnt fit with her being on the streets for long.

 

[phenolred]

I checked the ME report and it is listed as

Hospital Blood tested positive for Norchlorcyclizine (hydroxyzine metabolite)

 

[LaWanda]

I know that it doesn't help in ID'ing her but with all the road rash listed, looks like she hit the pavement on the right side.


Thanks for getting the ME report up, Christine and Adnoid!!! Y'all Rock!

 

[fmw63]

I know that it doesn't help in ID'ing her but with all the road rash listed, looks like she hit the pavement on the right side.

Looks like she may have had her left hand out (multiple abrasions on front and back of left hand), (the trucker said he saw a hand, then the body go out) and her right hand over her face (right palm was okay), and landed on the back of her head, (no broken bones on the front - ribs, etc.) Wonder if her handprint was on the side of the car?