Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #11

[SMK]

You, miley, Malkmus, otto, SMK and others are among those who can never be confused of neglecting your research. IMHO.

Aww, that applies to you, too!:blowkiss:

 

[Nova]

Aww, that applies to you, too!:blowkiss:

Not I. I piggyback off those of you who do the hard work and just comment on what you post.

I particularly lack the patience for forums with pages that are hundreds of posts long, mixing discussions of Japan with translations of wiretapped phone conversations.

Thank goodness for Websleuths and reasonable pagination!

 

[SMK]

Not I. I piggyback off those of you who do the hard work and just comment on what you post.

I particularly lack the patience for forums with pages that are hundreds of posts long, mixing discussions of Japan with translations of wiretapped phone conversations.

Thank goodness for Websleuths and reasonable pagination!

I hear you on that one brother, been through it. :laugh:

 

[claudicici]

I have some problems now and then with nosebleeds (dry climate), but I usually catch a nosebleed after a drop or two.



Isn't it possible that being young and careless (and probably stoned), they ignored the leak at night. But when they got up the next morning and found the floor still wet, they then thought they'd better do something about it?

I agree it's an odd coincidence that AK is working with a mop the morning after a murder. But the forensic evidence in the cottage doesn't seem to show she was mopping there.



But then why didn't he stick with the story that she had left for much of the evening?

maybe
because he could not see her as a killer and even though he knew she left he did not want to implicate her? He said she left after he was told she was seen with another guy at the laundry,so I think what made him turn on her was the thought that maybe she cheated on him not maybe she committed murder....like,well,let her get in trouble then?

 

[OldSteve]

Tonight 4/20 ID cable channel airs it's In Cold Blood (new season) and will be about AK .... will be interesting to see if it's just a rehash or if anything new is presented...

http://investigation.discovery.com/videos/cold-blood/#icpgn=idhpdrl2

 

[SMK]

Tonight 4/20 ID cable channel airs it's In Cold Blood (new season) and will be about AK .... will be interesting to see if it's just a rehash or if anything new is presented...

http://investigation.discovery.com/videos/cold-blood/#icpgn=idhpdrl2

Oh, thanks, sounds very interesting, I am afraid I might not get the channel, tho:anguish::anguish:

 

[Nova]

maybe
because he could not see her as a killer and even though he knew she left he did not want to implicate her? He said she left after he was told she was seen with another guy at the laundry,so I think what made him turn on her was the thought that maybe she cheated on him not maybe she committed murder....like,well,let her get in trouble then?

Thanks. I must admit I'm not as clear on what RS said, when and why. Most of the time, he seems like the forgotten man in this whole messed-up case.

In the translation of the wiretap, he doesn't seem as angry at AK as his dad and sister, but he doesn't seem so smitten as to lie to defend AK either. If she really did leave and he knows it, I wonder why he didn't say so at trial, if only to see if it would bring him favor with the court.

 

[Allusonz]

Not I. I piggyback off those of you who do the hard work and just comment on what you post.

I particularly lack the patience for forums with pages that are hundreds of posts long, mixing discussions of Japan with translations of wiretapped phone conversations.

Thank goodness for Websleuths and reasonable pagination!

Nope not buying that. You know your stuff plus I gave you a straightjacket trust me there was a NEED FOR IT

As to the 2nd paragraph I must agree this is the only forum I belong but does not mean I dont read other ones

 

[flourish]

It looks like the defense is merely asking to have the computers examined by the experts in data recovery (ie. apple, toshiba...)

1) A & R played no part in their computers being fried and 2) the defense is willing to foot the bill... its like the semen stain, what could it possibly hurt?

Have we ever gotten any actual documentation that this stain WAS for sure tested and found as semen? (confusion confusion)

I thought it was AK's hip movements that got her in trouble in the first place. I believe that's what the investigator said.

Most respectfully snipped, Nova....I was wondering if you meant AK was hip as in "cool," but I see by your link downthread (thank you), that you're referring to this:

The second incident happened when Giobbi asked Knox to follow him into the apartment below the crime scene. Both Giobbi and Knox had to put protective covers over their shoes before entering. Knox got hers on first, and then showed off that fact by performing a hula-hoop motion with her hands on her hips and bragging about how she quick she'd been. To Giobbi, Knox's inappropriate, girlish behavior wasn't a sign of immaturity, but rather a peek inside the craven heart of a killer.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20000577-504083.html

I have done alot of research on this. Unlike others that go from forum to forum and repeat what has been said by others. My opinions have been researched by me and I feel very comfortable with respect to the conclusion I have reached with respect to this.

What I do not appreciate is when the stuff written here is then taken to another forum, reported, then mocked

I don't read other forums and now am all curious! However, it sure sounds like you're implying one of us does that, but that would be kind of accusatory, so....I must be mistaken.

still, he can be considered a self-employed citizen journalist, surely....:waitasec:

Sweet! I'm deciding that now I'm a "self-employed" citizen journalist, police officer, ballerina, and POTUS! Awesome!

You, miley, Malkmus, otto, SMK and others are among those who can never be confused of neglecting your research. IMHO.

Um, hi, did you not appreciate my scatological research? *sniff* :tears: :crazy:

 

[Allusonz]

I have to be bluntly honest here. The only reason they started to question things is they were fed information from ILE that was false ( not unusual btw) saying AK was telling on RS and RS was telling on AK. I think the only people that attempted to rat them out was ILE thus you bet the parents were probably upset with the other person especially if it was my child and they are being told that the other one is saying what they said was not true

For some to then attempt and say things like the parents were not upset would be inaccurate as why should their son or daughter go down for what the parents think the other did, thus of course you have AS and AK saying no that did not happen or that might be a possibility but I am simply not seeing any confessions in these wiretaps even while in prison

Even under the pressure of their own families they still stick to the same story

Why the pro guilt is going back over this again I have no idea

The fact the families (as can be so seen of RS) to be upset with the other ones would be natural yet the pro guilt states AK's father leaked all there diaries

Sorry as you progress through these various things they say about AK and RS it simply makes no sense. I doubt at the beginning whether the parents were even talking to each other

 

[SMK]

Nope not buying that. You know your stuff plus I gave you a straightjacket trust me there was a NEED FOR IT

As to the 2nd paragraph I must agree this is the only forum I belong but does not mean I dont read other ones

I do not buy it either. :snooty: and I also read other forums, in the beginning, because I earnestly wanted to see if I could become convinced of AK and RS 's guilt (I couldn't) and lately because I am trying to gauge where the appeal will go. I read posts by seemingly very intelligent persons who are confident that the prosecution's case is crumbling, but then other posts by people who seem just as intelligent who feel the defense stands no chance. Do not know what to think. . . fftobed:

 

[Nova]

Nope not buying that. You know your stuff plus I gave you a straightjacket trust me there was a NEED FOR IT

As to the 2nd paragraph I must agree this is the only forum I belong but does not mean I dont read other ones

I also belong to just this one forum. I have no idea how people find time to belong to more.

 

[Nova]

Have we ever gotten any actual documentation that this stain WAS for sure tested and found as semen? (confusion confusion)....

I'm a little confused on this as well. I'm thinking the answer is no, since there are still discussions as to whether the stains could be vasoline.

Sweet! I'm deciding that now I'm a "self-employed" citizen journalist, police officer, ballerina, and POTUS! Awesome!....

Well, Allusonz is right that more and more, the more serious bloggers are being recognized as journalists in their own right. Certainly, if Frank's charges are true, then he was mistreated for journalist-type activities.

Um, hi, did you not appreciate my scatological research? *sniff* :tears: :crazy:

You know, as soon as I started listing posters on whose research I depend, I knew it was a bad idea and I would regret some omissions.

Of course, I appreciate all you bring to these threads and not just the scatological expertise. I deeply regret the error. :loser:

(Hey, for the record, I only use the "loser" emoticon to refer to myself. Is that clear? Am I using it correctly? I don't want anyone to think I'm referring to him or her.)

 

[Nova]

I do not buy it either. :snooty: and I also read other forums, in the beginning, because I earnestly wanted to see if I could become convinced of AK and RS 's guilt (I couldn't) and lately because I am trying to gauge where the appeal will go. I read posts by seemingly very intelligent persons who are confident that the prosecution's case is crumbling, but then other posts by people who seem just as intelligent who feel the defense stands no chance. Do not know what to think. . . fftobed:

I haven't seen an opinion from anyone who appears to be a genuine expert on Italian jurisprudence. So I have no idea whether there is even a remote chance the verdicts will be overturned.

But I'm reasonably sure Italian courts don't much care what WE think. So I enjoy the discussion, but I don't kid myself that I'm aiding the cause of justice.

 

[SMK]

I haven't seen an opinion from anyone who appears to be a genuine expert on Italian jurisprudence. So I have no idea whether there is even a remote chance the verdicts will be overturned.

But I'm reasonably sure Italian courts don't much care what WE think. So I enjoy the discussion, but I don't kid myself that I'm aiding the cause of justice.

I was off to bed early, but now cannot sleep. :waitasec: No, sadly, we are not aiding the cause of justice. I retain some hope that public opinion can count in some way, not with the Italian Courts, but with some possible future intervention or process, although this might be wishful thinking. . . :waitasec: I am not certain this is so much the process of Italian Jurisprudence, but a strange situation in which perhaps certain principals will not want to back down. I do not believe there is going to be any "easy out". I see certain posters who believe RS and AK are innocent (on other forums, 2 that I follow) who seem overly optimistic, as though the proclamations of MSM are being taken as gospel. I think judging from Amanda's composure in some videos I have seen, that clearly she is not optimistic and is terribly frightened. The last tape I saw of Raffaele, he looks like he is glowing and healthy and full of spirit and I wonder how he is in such good form. :waitasec: (this one) http://www.zimbio.com/watch/wq06C93QaHY/New+DNA+experts+Knox+murder+appeal/Amanda+Knox

 

[miley]

Have we ever gotten any actual documentation that this stain WAS for sure tested and found as semen? (confusion confusion)

I should have said semen stain debate... because without more testing they'll never know for sure. The same way they should allow further examination of the computers.

 

[miley]

Tonight 4/20 ID cable channel airs it's In Cold Blood (new season) and will be about AK .... will be interesting to see if it's just a rehash or if anything new is presented...

http://investigation.discovery.com/videos/cold-blood/#icpgn=idhpdrl2

I don't have that channel - will you let us know what they talk about? (tia)

 

[wasnt_me]

IIRC Filomena's door was closed

"raffael and i gathered our things and went back to my house.
i unlocked the door and im going to tell this really slowly to get
everything right so just have patience with me. the living
room/kitchen was fine. looked perfectly normal. i was checking for
signs of our things missing, should there have been a burglar in our
house the night before. filomenas room was closed, but when i opned
the door her room and a mess and her window was open and completely
broken, but her computer was still sitting on her desk like it always
was and this confused me"

http://perugia-shock.blogspot.com/2009/02/from-amanda-knox.html

Slightly different account of the same story from AK, just as Nova was saying could be expected.

 

[wasnt_me]

BBM

ETA As well if she thought she would be working, it probably was not planned on her staying the evening thus she would not have the clothing changes etc., thus also providing a need for returning in the morning

Excellent point!

I hadn't even thought of it. I was assuming she'd go straight back to RS's after work, but what you are saying makes sense!

 

[wasnt_me]

I am SO uncomfortable with this subject, but for you I will say that in my experience, feces may float or not at first; it probably depends on the contents of the waste material. (Don't ask me which foods. I haven't made a study of this.)

As for floating at first and then sinking later, I assume that would happen as the waste material became increasingly water-logged. Again, I don't know what one would have to eat to achieve this or which wastes would float for how long.

You'd better ask our fecal and commode forensic expert Flourish about this.

Glad, though, that you were willing to go there for my sake. :woohoo: