Meredith Kercher murdered - Amanda Knox convicted, now appeals #5

[flourish]

With the way that Amanda rambles around in her writings, I thought she was talking about Meredith, and it didn't even cross my mind that she was referring to Patrick. Patrick is not her friend, he is the employer she had for a couple of weeks and who demoted her because she didn't follow his instructions. Patrick is the guy that she falsely accused of murder. She ruined his life. If that's how she treats friends, I wouldn't want to know how she treats enemies ... or do we already know that ... per Meredith.

Thank you, Otto, for your polite response. Yes, Amanda rambles. She isn't necessarily the most eloquent person ever, IMHO, and we all know she has also lied on more than one occasion.

I've heard her refer to Meredith as her "friend," but not Patrick. Hence my incredulity that someone would think it should be obvious to everyone who she's referring to. She could have been referring to Patrick. She could have been referring to Meredith.

And yes, with friends like that....

 

[otto]

Okay, Otto, I see you don't want to acknowledge any of the points I made in my earlier post. I have already explained that I think she's referring to Patrick as the friend she hurt, and if you think she's admitting to killing Meredith it contradicts her other statements in the same letter claiming she is innocent of killing Meredith. It makes zero sense to look at it that way. Either she is claiming in the letter that she killed Meredith or she is claiming that she is innocent of killing Meredith. You can't have both those statements in the same letter.
If you think this is a confession letter, why wasn't it even part of the trial? Wouldn't this letter make it an open and shut case?

With Amanda, anything is possible. We were recently discussing her sentence where she started by saying the that she was "definitely sure" that she ate late, around 11 pm, and finishes the sentence by saying she isn't sure. Amanda is full of contradictions even in a single sentence. For her to say that she is innocent, and then say she hurt a friend is par for the course.

 

[otto]

Thank you, Otto, for your polite response. Yes, Amanda rambles. She isn't necessarily the most eloquent person ever, IMHO, and we all know she has also lied on more than one occasion.

I've heard her refer to Meredith as her "friend," but not Patrick. Hence my incredulity that someone would think it should be obvious to everyone who she's referring to. She could have been referring to Patrick. She could have been referring to Meredith.

And yes, with friends like that....

Personally, I find Amanda's creative writing so convoluted I can barely read to the end ... and I always need to compare notes to check whether I understood what she was saying. Her letter left me confused, as usual.

 

[flourish]

With Amanda, anything is possible. We were recently discussing her sentence where she started by saying the that she was "definitely sure" that she ate late, around 11 pm, and finishes the sentence by saying she isn't sure. Amanda is full of contradictions even in a single sentence. For her to say that she is innocent, and then say she hurt a friend is par for the course.

Thank you! I was searching and searching for that part of the discussion, and was hoping you'd bring it up so I didn't have to keep searching

And ITA that clear communication and Amanda aren't "friends" :floorlaugh:

 

[Malkmus]

So in this letter she wrote to her family, clearly proclaiming her innocence, she accidentally lets it slip that she killed Meredith, and the court didn't notice this accidental confession, and neither did Amanda's family when they displayed the letter for documentary filmmakers interviewing them. Just trying to get on the same page here.

 

[Allusonz]

Does Amanda claim that she and Patick were friends? She claims that she and Meredith were friends. We know from Patrick that he and Amanda were not friends; simply employer/employee, and that he was not happy with her quality of work. We know from Meredith's friends that Meredith initially thought Amanda was nice, but later expressed concerns about Amanda bringing men to the cottage, her cleanliness, and we know that Meredith did not include Amanda in her Halloween evening plans ... even though Amanda called her through the evening and had nothing to do.

In the context of what was posted yes it appear to me that she does believe him to be a friend.....

 

[Allusonz]

Thank you! I was searching and searching for that part of the discussion, and was hoping you'd bring it up so I didn't have to keep searching

And ITA that clear communication and Amanda aren't "friends" :floorlaugh:

Forgive my very quirky sense of humour all

flourish I am gathering you will not be buying the book she will be writing about her experience (forgive me i simply could not resist) :innocent:, as I must agree I do not believe creative writing to be one of her strengths

my feeble attempt at humour :floorlaugh:

 

[otto]

Thank you! I was searching and searching for that part of the discussion, and was hoping you'd bring it up so I didn't have to keep searching

And ITA that clear communication and Amanda aren't "friends" :floorlaugh:

Here it is, typical Amanda creative writing:

"One of the things I am sure that definitely happened the night on which Meredith was murdered was that Raffaele and I ate fairly late, I think around 11 in the evening, although I can't be sure because I didn't look at the clock."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1570225/Transcript-of-Amanda-Knoxs-note.html

 

[otto]

So in this letter she wrote to her family, clearly proclaiming her innocence, she accidentally lets it slip that she killed Meredith, and the court didn't notice this accidental confession, and neither did Amanda's family when they displayed the letter for documentary filmmakers interviewing them. Just trying to get on the same page here.

The letter is to Madison, and she also claims that police hit her ... something that police categorically deny. In terms of whether Amanda makes "slips" ... I think she does. When she accused Patrick and said that she was afraid of him, she apparently lacked the foresight to understand that her accusation also formed her confession of involvement in the murder. When she stated that her blood was not in the sink prior to the murder, she placed herself at the murder ... again. Somewhere between Amanda's imaginings, flashbacks, lies and oops moments, she makes a lot of slips and does not appear to be innocent.

The court didn't have the document, and after it was first aired on the program about Amanda, that particular sentence was blurred and obscured.

 

[otto]

Forgive my very quirky sense of humour all

flourish I am gathering you will not be buying the book she will be writing about her experience (forgive me i simply could not resist) :innocent:, as I must agree I do not believe creative writing to be one of her strengths

my feeble attempt at humour :floorlaugh:

Amanda is writing a book? Amanda will need to hire a very patient writer to re-write whatever she puts on paper, to clean it up so regular people can read it ... otherwise she should stop wasting her time right now. She obviously has another 25 years to waste, but art, belting out Let It Be, and writing do not seem to be her forte ... so maybe she should aspire to something more concrete and less artistic.

My first thought is ... what does someone in prison have to say? I'm not guilty, I'm innocent, I didn't do it (what else is new) ... and the walls are gray, the walls are still gray, and ... 3 years later ... the walls are still gray? She can write that she's definitely sure that police hit her but she can't be sure, or that she's definitely sure about what happened in the two hours that police questioned her as a witness but she can't be sure. Is she going to write more fiction about rape or getting stoned and watching someone die slowly?

 

[otto]

One keeps waiting for Amanda to do the right; even Donald Trump was waiting, but each time Amanda comes out with another whopper. The latest is that she seduced the priest and he wanted to marry her ... but otherwise she is still trying to sexually seduce those in her environment and prove her innocence.

I don't think Amanda knows what the right thing is ... like a typical sociopath. She might feel like buying lingerie after her friend is murdered, writing songs, dying for a pizza, sticking out her tongue, flipping cartwheels and doing the spits .. and not realize that is inapporpiate to be caught on camera smooching in the underwear store the day after the roommate is murdered. She might just not get it ... and that would be a very dangerous female to have in the genenral population.

She's a convicted murderess who acts like she's been wronged ... but nothing in her writings supports innocence.

 

[trillian]

Here it is, typical Amanda creative writing:

"One of the things I am sure that definitely happened the night on which Meredith was murdered was that Raffaele and I ate fairly late, I think around 11 in the evening, although I can't be sure because I didn't look at the clock."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1570225/Transcript-of-Amanda-Knoxs-note.html

This is actually totally consistent.
For example, I am absolutely sure that my 2yr old got her bath later than normal last night, I think about 8:30 or so, though I cant be sure because I didnt look at the clock.
Also had my 40th bday party on Saturday. I am absolutley sure I went to bed really late, maybe 1am, but I cant be sure because I didnt look at the clock. It could have been 12:30 and it could have been as late as 2:30. All I know is it was late for me!!!

 

[dgfred]

How about these for: 'Things that are hard to explain away categories'?

AK- 'best truth I can remember'

RS- 'scared the Ivorian will say strange things'

RS- 'I pricked Meredith while cooking with her'

RS- 'what I told LE before was rubbish'

 

[otto]

This is actually totally consistent.
For example, I am absolutely sure that my 2yr old got her bath later than normal last night, I think about 8:30 or so, though I cant be sure because I didnt look at the clock.
Also had my 40th bday party on Saturday. I am absolutley sure I went to bed really late, maybe 1am, but I cant be sure because I didnt look at the clock. It could have been 12:30 and it could have been as late as 2:30. All I know is it was late for me!!!

Sorry ... but anyone that starts a sentence with absolutely sure about A, and ends saying not sure about A, is screwed up in my my books. It's a sentence that is intended to get people to walk away thinking they have an answer when they don't. I'm tempted to say it's a Casey Anthony-ism.

 

[trillian]

Sorry ... but anyone that starts a sentence with absolutely sure about A, and ends saying not sure about A, is screwed up in my my books. It's a sentence that is intended to get people to walk away thinking they have an answer when they don't. I'm tempted to say it's a Casey Anthony-ism.

Then the entire human race must be screwed up lying crazies then.
Your first "A" and the next "A" are not the same thing.

It's called going from being sure of something vague and not so sure of something very specific. I'm sure you can find ample evidence in your own life!
I am absolutely SURE that I am over 5'8" (this is "A"). I estimate about 5'8.5"(this "B"). I haven't measured so I'm "NOT SURE" exactly.

Now if it just happened that I'm wrong and in the last 10 years I have shrunk down below 5'8", would this be evidence of lying in a murder case? Let's say the perp was definitely shorter than 5'8" (even though I didnt know that) and they used that as motive for me lying. Would you see that as evidence of my guilt?

Same examples hold true for dinnertime, bedtime, etc...

What time did you eat dinner last Thursday?

 

[trillian]

My response in blue
How about these for: 'Things that are hard to explain away categories'?

AK- 'best truth I can remember'
I see no issue with this. They had presented her with conflicting "facts" which were not true. The human brain is very pliable under duress. She naively trusted them.

RS- 'scared the Ivorian will say strange things'
Which he did. They were all over the news rags and he was able to make up lies about them even before being apprehended and even after telling a friend they werent there. I would be scared too!!!

RS- 'I pricked Meredith while cooking with her'
This one is odd because we dont have it on transcript or on tape how he came to say it. Why not? I believe they told him of this "fact" and he may have made up an explanation. They told him this evidence was solid and he believed them. It happens. Do you believe Kevin Fox's account of how he accidentally killed his own 3 year old daughter when they told him they KNEW he did it?

RS- 'what I told LE before was rubbish'
After reflection on his statements, I believe this to be true.

 

[Allusonz]

Here it is, typical Amanda creative writing:

"One of the things I am sure that definitely happened the night on which Meredith was murdered was that Raffaele and I ate fairly late, I think around 11 in the evening, although I can't be sure because I didn't look at the clock."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1570225/Transcript-of-Amanda-Knoxs-note.html

Otto it was a JOKE lol

 

[Allusonz]

Respectfully snipped
BBM

I don't think Amanda knows what the right thing is ... like a typical sociopath.

Do you have a link to back this up as i have never seen any medical documentation specific to her relating to this

 

[Allusonz]

Respectfully snipped

sexually seduce those in her environment and prove her innocence.

Could you provide a MSM link for this please tia

 

[Allusonz]

Here it is, typical Amanda creative writing:

"One of the things I am sure that definitely happened the night on which Meredith was murdered was that Raffaele and I ate fairly late, I think around 11 in the evening, although I can't be sure because I didn't look at the clock."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1570225/Transcript-of-Amanda-Knoxs-note.html

whatever the opinion of the writing does not mean that it is the writing of a murderer

i believe that my feeble attempt at a joke was taken out of context and will most definately refrain from that in the future