Mexico Mexico - Jenny Chen, 26, Oaxaca, 11 April 2016 #2

[Lilibet]

Does anyone have any more info on this assertion that she stayed overnight at a Pemex station? Where the heck did she sleep? There is nowhere at a Pemex to sleep. I really am SMH. This is the weirdest case!

I think we only have what the attorney said on the radio about sleeping at the truck stop. I figured she put her head down on a table in a cafe inside the truck stop and slept, which is what I would have done in desperation. But who knows?

This certainly is the weirdest case! I guess that's why we can't let go of it!

ETA: I agree with sjm that it may be that she was seen there overnight, rather than sleeping. I don't remember exactly what the attorney said, and that was a translation.

 

[Lilibet]

Okay. Great job folks. I just got a new phone and the Websleuths site is back in working mode for me.

The last 4 months was awful trying to navigate the site on my other phone.

Anyways, I'm with you folks. The polygraph talk is B.S.

Jmo. We have been searching for an arrest of a ghost driver for 4 months now.

So I think the polygraph will not happen. And Jr can forget about suing Corona.

I'm just surprised that Jenny's brother isn't saying anything on Weibo or Facebook or whatever. Or maybe he is. I'dk.

Glad to see you back here Dexter. :seeya:

I really would like to see what Jenny's brother is saying. I just can't imagine that the family went back to China and have been quiet. The Chinese embassy in Mexico said they would keep working with Oaxaca LE, but we don't know how that's going. I wish we had a Chinese-speaking WSer who could go fishing on Wiebo, etc.

ETA: Just to support my statement, this link translated is where the Chinese Embassy said they would keep working with Mexican LE in the southern STATES (plural). I wonder if they followed up on expanding the search on radio, TV, Internet and other channels...perhaps targeting the Chinese population.

The next phase, the embassy will maintain close contact with the police in southern Mexican states , expand your search through local radio, television , Internet and other channels for the early to find the whereabouts of Chen . Invited all Chinese and Mexican brigade continue to give valuable support to the embassy in Mexico Chinese personnel , if found valuable clues , please inform the Embassy ( Embassy collar Bao Mobile: 5520936210 ) immediately.
http://m.6park.com/index.php?act=wapnewsContent&nid=169597

 

[slowpoke]

Does anyone have any more info on this assertion that she stayed overnight at a Pemex station? Where the heck did she sleep? There is nowhere at a Pemex to sleep. I really am SMH. This is the weirdest case!

I can't remember if I posted this link (translated) before.This is the Pemex station where Jenny may have spent the night before hitching the ride on the Corona truck. It has a restaurant and grocery store, and even showers!
http://www.microsofttranslator.com/...=http://www.laistmena.com/presenta.php?id=241

This is the translated link to the radio show that gave the info that Jenny may have spent the night there.
https://translate.google.com/transl...s.asp?Idn=608963&idFC=2016&edit-text=&act=url

 

[LisaWL7TR]

In all fairness to our state department, they don't have much to work with in this case. Their function is to get citizens out safely if there is some sort of uprising etc. Putting oneself at high risk and then disappearing does not fall under the charter of the state department. I can stand corrected on this, but it is my understanding. As individuals, it is our responsibility to act intelligently and take personal responsibility. Jenny did not. At all. Her judgement seemed to be impaired.

No disrespect to Jenny but as an older woman...I think backpacking through Mexico is off my bucket list.

Curious...Do we know if she had bought the tickets to fly to Cuba and New York before leaving for Mexico?

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[Sjm_qc]

Although Jenny catching a ride on the Corona truck was well before THE strikes (which were so violent), it was probably memorable in that area that teachers were blocking the highway heading north. I've never found independent verification of that, but I'm not surprised because strikes are so commonplace. And I do agree that Jenny would stand out. The spot where Jenny was picked up appears to be in front of some kind of "business" like a food stand, so perhaps the witness was right there.

The only reason the witness would make false claims against Corona IMO is if there was some kind of grudge toward the company or particular driver OR the witness is the one who harmed Jenny and is diverting attention onto the driver, successfully, so far. I don't think this is the case, however. Although we only know from JR that LE and a prosecutor have verified the witnesses somehow, I'm going to believe that this is what JR has been told and is likely true. It gets waaay to complicated and conspiratorial to think otherwise. Occam's Razor and all that.

Given JR's communication style, I suspect that there is much corroborating evidence he has not revealed, and he probably has good reason. Although I thought he was too quickly narrowing the investigation to the Corona drivers when the information was first revealed in May, I think he must have good reason (aside from desperation) to cling to it so tenaciously for over three months. At least I sincerely hope so. JMO

BBM: I'm hoping/thinking this might be the case.

Otherwise, jumping off your post Lilibet, we (in the widest sense of we) have cause to know that eyewitness accounts of sightings & reported "conversations" can be very very wrong. I'm not JUST thinking about HTG & the work we did there. With HTG, there were eyewitnesses who swore blind they'd seen her, & talked to her, or given her a lift & those leads were "worked" into the ground & eventually proved wrong. In another case (I won't cite initials or circumstances as the thread has been removed from WS), a major eyewitness - claiming to have interacted with the missing person - turned out to be full of [a word I can't type here]. There are other cases I could cite but I'll stop there.

I'm NOT saying this is the case here. I'm still wondering, and wishing JR could give SOME clarification on why he and his team are so convinced that the beer truck pick up is legit. CCTV, maybe?

 

[Sjm_qc]

Glad to see you back here Dexter. :seeya:

I really would like to see what Jenny's brother is saying. I just can't imagine that the family went back to China and have been quiet. The Chinese embassy in Mexico said they would keep working with Oaxaca LE, but we don't know how that's going. I wish we had a Chinese-speaking WSer who could go fishing on Wiebo, etc.

ETA: Just to support my statement, this link translated is where the Chinese Embassy said they would keep working with Mexican LE in the southern STATES (plural). I wonder if they followed up on expanding the search on radio, TV, Internet and other channels...perhaps targeting the Chinese population.

The next phase, the embassy will maintain close contact with the police in southern Mexican states , expand your search through local radio, television , Internet and other channels for the early to find the whereabouts of Chen . Invited all Chinese and Mexican brigade continue to give valuable support to the embassy in Mexico Chinese personnel , if found valuable clues , please inform the Embassy ( Embassy collar Bao Mobile: 5520936210 ) immediately.
http://m.6park.com/index.php?act=wapnewsContent&nid=169597

BBM: I've been putting the word out for a Chinese speaker/reader to try and elucidate/find out what's going on (especially with her family) since I heard about Jenny/Qun Dan being missing. I was in fact originally alerted to this thread by someone asking if I could translate Chinese or research Chinese language media; I can't . But I'm trying to find someone who can.

 

[Lilibet]

I can't remember if I posted this link (translated) before.This is the Pemex station where Jenny may have spent the night before hitching the ride on the Corona truck. It has a restaurant and grocery store, and even showers!
http://www.microsofttranslator.com/...=http://www.laistmena.com/presenta.php?id=241

This is the translated link to the radio show that gave the info that Jenny may have spent the night there.
https://translate.google.com/transl...s.asp?Idn=608963&idFC=2016&edit-text=&act=url

Thanks! Bringing this forward for reference, here is the Google streetview showing the Pemex. Across and further north at the junction to Lagunas, we can see where Jenny caught the ride with the Corona truck. One used to be shown in the photo, but this must be a newer photo, as it shows different trucks. This spot was confirmed by JR and you can see a business next to where the trucks are parked. The witness may have been there.

https://www.google.com/maps/@16.814...ata=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sElw3Owh2M8RwNaaoZx_FmQ!2e0

It's interesting that the radio show indicates that the two women who saw Jenny spend the night had not been interviewed by LE at that point.

 

[Lilibet]

No disrespect to Jenny but as an older woman...I think backpacking through Mexico is off my bucket list.

Curious...Do we know if she had bought the tickets to fly to Cuba and New York before leaving for Mexico?

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Ha! Hitchhiking of any kind anywhere was never on my bucket list, even back in my youthful adventurous days in the '60's!! Of course, we didn't have "bucket lists" since we never thought about "kicking the bucket." Backpacking in wilderness was as far as I went...watching for grizzlies as we trudged.

I do believe that Jenny taking such a huge risk backpacking* in Mexico is part of the reason this story hasn't really taken off in the U.S. The comments on the first news stories were mostly negative, as in "What was she thinking?!!" or worse. Not much sympathy.

ETA: *Clarifying that I meant hitchhiking in Mexico. As sjm has pointed out on a more recent post, there is a difference between backpacking and hitchhiking, although they can overlap as they did in Jenny's case.

I don't recall whether we know if she had already bought tickets.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

Except that it was a memorable day, (the strikes), and she probably stood out due to her ethnicity, and perhaps odd behavior.
I don't think the witnesses would have made claims against the powerful Corona brand unless they were truly concerned and trying to help.
At some level, they have put themselves at risk I would think?

BBM

It is possible someone else "enhanced" the witness statements. Remember, we are hearing this all second or third hand. Those witnesses have never come forward publicly to make anystatement.

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[Lilibet]

BBM: I'm hoping/thinking this might be the case.

Otherwise, jumping off your post Lilibet, we (in the widest sense of we) have cause to know that eyewitness accounts of sightings & reported "conversations" can be very very wrong. I'm not JUST thinking about HTG & the work we did there. With HTG, there were eyewitnesses who swore blind they'd seen her, & talked to her, or given her a lift & those leads were "worked" into the ground & eventually proved wrong. In another case (I won't cite initials or circumstances as the thread has been removed from WS), a major eyewitness - claiming to have interacted with the missing person - turned out to be full of [a word I can't type here]. There are other cases I could cite but I'll stop there.

I'm NOT saying this is the case here. I'm still wondering, and wishing JR could give SOME clarification on why he and his team are so convinced that the beer truck pick up is legit. CCTV, maybe?

Remembering how hard those HTG "eye witness leads" were worked to no avail shows how much witnesses want to help. Showing a photo of a missing person seems to be a trigger to vague memories of someone who looked like that. I hope that isn't what has happened here. Although HTG was a bit of a chameleon and could look very different in different photos, that's not really the case with Jenny. It would be difficult to mistake her for someone else (ETA: Unless another young Asian woman is hitchhiking in Mexico alone...then all bets are off. "They all look alike.") Maybe that's why JR has seen no need to clarify why they are so convinced, but I do wish he would.

 

[LisaWL7TR]

Glad you're back Dexter!

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[Wyle_E_Coyote]

Using your post to get the timeline straight. I want to clarify that the information we received a few days later than this article through the attorney Moreno's radio interview indicates that Jenny spent the night in a truck stop and was desperate to find an ATM machine with money in it. The article makes it sound like she was picked by the driver in Juchitan, but it was further north near the turnoff to Lagunas. JR posted a photo on his own FB page showing him standing at the spot where Jenny was last seen getting on the truck and it matches Google streetview of the area across from the Pemex where she spent the night, per witnesses. I don't know if these are the same witnesses who supposedly heard the conversation and saw her get on the truck that have been verified by LE, according to JR (never according to LE).

Here is the link to my earlier post in which slowpoke and I attempted to sort out various possible timelines, while I banged my head against the wall. I think it reflects the latest information that we have been told. But there is much contradiction. I do think the nwasianweekly article is mistaken or was going by what JR told them at the time. But the information about spending the night in the truck stop would have been available by then, so I'm not sure why there is this muddle.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...axaca-11-April-2016-2&p=12719248#post12719248

BBM

This is what's hinky... the truth doesn't change. And if they were getting such different and conflicting information from witnesses, why latch on to the 2:00 Corona truck as set in stone and unimpeachable?

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[Lilibet]

BBM

This is what's hinky... the truth doesn't change. And if they were getting such different and conflicting information from witnesses, why latch on to the 2:00 Corona truck as set in stone and unimpeachable?

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BBM

As my dear, departed mother used to say when something didn't make sense..."There must be a reason."

What I think is that the information we have received from news reports, which mostly quote JR (and perhaps not accurately), combined with JR's vague info on FB, plus the attorney's radio statement ALL contain SOME truth and a lot of miscommunication and errors (partly the usual journalistic and JR sloppiness and partly translation). The actual facts, as known by JR and his "team", may be accurate enough to firmly believe the Corona truck information. I certainly hope so. But we aren't getting that information and so we are doubting the whole story. JMO...at the moment.

 

[Sjm_qc]

Random, and slightly OT thought(s):

There's a difference between "hitchhiking" & "backpacking" travel, although they can & do overlap sometimes.

Just saying...

 

[Lilibet]

Random, and slightly OT thought(s):

There's a difference between "hitchhiking" & "backpacking" travel, although they can & do overlap sometimes.

Just saying...

Absolutely true. Thanks for clarifying. It's possible to backpack travel (safely) by train or bus or on foot or even airplane. In Jenny's case, backpacking and hitchhiking did overlap much of the time, although she also used public transportation. Traveling alone and hitchhiking even a little is what cost her in U.S. sympathy and publicity IMO.

 

[Sjm_qc]

Absolutely true. Thanks for clarifying. It's possible to backpack travel (safely) by train or bus or on foot or even airplane. In Jenny's case, backpacking and hitchhiking did overlap much of the time, although she also used public transportation. Traveling alone and hitchhiking even a little is what cost her in U.S. sympathy and publicity IMO.

Yeah Too true. One (of many) things that bothers me, is why she took off (apparently with little prior planning) to Mexico etc for 3 months, with (apparently) little experience of hitchhiking/couch surfing travel, had more than one negative & warning experiences, & continued without taking into account warnings she had received.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Yeah Too true. One (of many) things that bothers me, is why she took off (apparently with little prior planning) to Mexico etc for 3 months, with (apparently) little experience of hitchhiking/couch surfing travel, had more than one negative & warning experiences, & continued without taking into account warnings she had received.

I am speculating she was having some sort of medical issue that resulted in unclear thinking. Speculation only.

 

[Lilibet]

Keeping the timer going...JR posted on August 23 that the polygraphs would be administered within the next week. Depending on whether you count seven days starting on August 23, that would mean Monday at the latest, or Tuesday if you start counting from the 24th. Just two or three more days after today (Monday or Tuesday). I'm not holding my breath.

On August 25 he said he hoped to leave for Mexico soon. He had earlier said he hoped to be there by the time the polygraphs were administered. Whether he has arrived in Mexico or found a third party to observe is unknown.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Since every translation refers to Jenny as a man and JR as a female. Then I stoppex taking the translations word for word. Idk. If they mess up she and he. Then what else is lost in translation.

 

[slowpoke]

I've not seen that particular rant, probably just as well... However, even if she was still on a conditional card, she could have "dumped him & run off" without jeopardising her ability to remove conditions...

I asked about the Green Card (conditional or conditions-removed) because it could be very relevant in various scenarios. Assuming (& I shouldn't, given the dearth of facts) that Jenny got a GC through marriage (which I think took place in October 2013(?), & extrapolating from a bit of info gleaned from her Weibo account, it's just possible she had just got her "permanent" (10 year) GC before going to Mexico, OR removal of conditions was applied for & in process.

It's an important question/distinction to me because if she hadn't yet received her 10 year card, it seems odd to me to go on an out-of-country three month trip during the removal of conditions process, or very close to the deadline if she hadn't yet applied (NB: this possibility is speculation on my part using a date or two mentioned on SM).

I'm not sure if the GC stuff is significant, nor where I'm going with it right now, but it's bugging me... Sorry for rambling.

I WISH JR would elaborate on WHY he dismissed the Chinese Embassy press release out of hand.

I'm ignorant when it comes to green cards, but I found some info that may help answer your question about her green card status. According to Jenny's writings on 12/12/15:

Yesterday I received a letter from US Immigration Department. They basically tell me "welcome to continue stay in US,.Your visa is going to expire in 02/26/2016, no worries, we are here now to tell you your visa is extended for another year while we processing your 10 year green card".

http://weibo.com/p/1001603919220546113863?mod=zwenzhang

I don't know if she mentions it again after that date. I can search later, but life is calling right now.