MI - 4 students killed, 6 injured, Oxford High School shooting, 30 Nov 2021 *Arrest incl parents* #3

[steeltowngirl]

Their attorney might want to suggest it...

They soon may need a divorce attorney (or two).

 

[MimosaMornings]

Depressing. Horseback riding would have been a much healthier hobby for him.

Yeah, but he wasn’t wanting healthy he wanted to show off his weapon.
Guns on social media....

 

[borndem]

Prosecutor suggested this may happen due to the the alleged infidelity on Jennifer's part.

I imagine that the prosecutor is trying to help things along to avoid any interruptions that could arise along the way.

 

[borndem]

Yeah, but he wasn’t wanting healthy he wanted to show off his weapon.
Guns on social media....

Guns, guns, guns. Oh, my.

 

[Cool Cats]

Michigan's Oxford schools to require clear backpacks after deadly shooting

Clear backpacks will be among the safety measures required in January at Oxford Community Schools in Michigan in reaction to a Nov. 30 school shooting that killed four students and left seven others wounded at Oxford High School.

The new policies came in an update message Thursday from Schools Superintendent Tim Throne.

"Safety, both physical and emotional, is at the top of our list," he told students and parents in a video posted to YouTube.

The district also will be adding additional counselors, therapists, trauma specialists, private security and therapy dogs when students return to classes Monday after their winter break.

"We want the kids in the school to have an additional source of calm and additional source of comfort," Oakland County Sheriff Michael Bouchard said of the therapy dogs, according to WXYZ-TV in Detroit.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

Clear backpacks... that's like a band-aid that's way too small.

 

[borndem]

Clear backpacks... that's like a band-aid that's way too small.

Agree. It's a start...
How about the brown bags in which many students put their lunches... a gun could be concealed in one of those.
Metal detectors, metal detectors, metal detectors...

 

[kaen]

Michigan's Oxford schools to require clear backpacks after deadly shooting

Clear backpacks will be among the safety measures required in January at Oxford Community Schools in Michigan in reaction to a Nov. 30 school shooting that killed four students and left seven others wounded at Oxford High School.

The new policies came in an update message Thursday from Schools Superintendent Tim Throne.

"Safety, both physical and emotional, is at the top of our list," he told students and parents in a video posted to YouTube.

The district also will be adding additional counselors, therapists, trauma specialists, private security and therapy dogs when students return to classes Monday after their winter break.

"We want the kids in the school to have an additional source of calm and additional source of comfort," Oakland County Sheriff Michael Bouchard said of the therapy dogs, according to WXYZ-TV in Detroit.

These are all optically rich safety measures. They are not addressing the grander issues of administrative training /competency that they were lacking, and alternate violence issues that can erupt. I would think that families would love to hear that administration has been trained to utilize/implement their zero-tolerance policy (with stepped, transparent measures like a published decision tree that gives the public a sense of security but doesn't allow bad actors to side step their plan) and what they will commit to in order insure student safety as that was a major fail in these murders.

The additional counselors, trauma specialists and therapy dogs will be short term measures that make sense. I am not sure how a private security team will help them--- will the security officers be the same as school resource officers? Will they carry weapons? I don't think so. In my mind, the partnership with local law enforcement should be where their money is spent and as a fail-safe measure going forward. A private security company answers to the district rather than being a full partner in the decision-making with an eye toward id'ing criminal behaviors that are occurring.

Transparent backpacks would be eliminated if they did metal detectors. As a first step, it makes sense. But, eventually, other threats exist---- bringing a gun to a facility in pieces and reassembling, using a 3D printed gun, shooting in the parking lot or unsecured areas. These are the bigger questions that the current plan doesn't address.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Agree. It's a start...
How about the brown bags in which many students put their lunches... a gun could be concealed in one of those.
Metal detectors, metal detectors, metal detectors...

Or wrapped in an article of clothing. If a kid is intent on bringing a gun to school, he/she will find a way to do it.

Having been a teacher, and as a parent/grandparent, I'm not a proponent of metal detectors in schools. Children should not feel that they are entering an armed fortress when they go to school. It's bad enough that teachers and students must have armed-shooter drills. They should not have to succumb to metal detectors, locker searches, backpack or body searches to be safe in school. As an adult, I get very nervous and anxious when I have to pass through an airport metal detector even though I know that I have no metal on my person or in my carry-on luggage. I can't imagine how anxious children would be when they have to go through a metal detector to enter their school. JMO

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Meet Oxford, newest, furry recruit in Oakland County Sheriff's Office (detroitnews.com)

The Oakland County Sheriff's Office announced its newest recruit, a comfort K-9 named for the school stung by tragedy.

Sheriff Michael Bouchard picked up Oxford on Thursday, calling him an "amazing little puppy full of energy and love and waiting to meet the community."

Oxford will stay at the Oxford Substation, providing comfort to community members following the Nov. 30 fatal shooting at Oxford High School.

The program was funded with help from Clarkston Athletics, Bouchard said, which has its own comfort K-9, Indie...

 

[kaen]

Or wrapped in an article of clothing. If a kid is intent on bringing a gun to school, he/she will find a way to do it.

Having been a teacher, and as a parent/grandparent, I'm not a proponent of metal detectors in schools. Children should not feel that they are entering an armed fortress when they go to school. It's bad enough that teachers and students must have armed-shooter drills. They should not have to succumb to metal detectors, locker searches, backpack or body searches to be safe in school. As an adult, I get very nervous and anxious when I have to pass through an airport metal detector even though I know that I have no metal on my person or in my carry-on luggage. I can't imagine how anxious children would be when they have to go through a metal detector to enter their school. JMO

I agree on the detectors AND I think that in this day and age with guns so available that I can't find a way around it. This school didn't think they had an issue. Humans make mistakes in judgment. From this perspective, clear backpacks and all of the other measures will not keep a gun out of a school if a bad actor wants to get one in. I hate to say it but it is true. IMHO.

 

[kaen]

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[borndem]

Thanks for your thoughts, BDE -- your perspective is valuable to those of us who are not educators.
Still stunned, sorrowful and SMH over guns, of all things, being brought into our schools to frighten, harm and kill -- and the anger, angst, or whatever-it-is that makes a student bring one.
We do need more than metal detectors, but they would at least stop some students from shooting up inside the school.

 

[Luna20]

Or wrapped in an article of clothing. If a kid is intent on bringing a gun to school, he/she will find a way to do it.

Having been a teacher, and as a parent/grandparent, I'm not a proponent of metal detectors in schools. Children should not feel that they are entering an armed fortress when they go to school. It's bad enough that teachers and students must have armed-shooter drills. They should not have to succumb to metal detectors, locker searches, backpack or body searches to be safe in school. As an adult, I get very nervous and anxious when I have to pass through an airport metal detector even though I know that I have no metal on my person or in my carry-on luggage. I can't imagine how anxious children would be when they have to go through a metal detector to enter their school. JMO

True they will find a way. They can easily hollow out a book to hide a gun.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

True they will find a way. They can easily hollow out a book to hide a gun.

I think there's something like this in an Agatha Christie novel.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Fieger wants access to Crumbley evidence like the bird head in a jar (detroitnews.com)

High-profile attorney Geoffrey Fieger is seeking subpoena power to gain access to evidence held by investigators in a lawsuit he filed against Oxford Community Schools over a shooting rampage last month that killed four students.

Fieger is displeased that a protective order is blocking access to "crucial" evidence he said is relevant to the civil lawsuit he's pursuing, even though the Oakland County Prosecutor's Office disclosed some of the very information he's seeking in a public court filing just last week.

That new information included the revelation that the accused shooter, 15-year-old Ethan Crumbley, had brought a severed bird head to school in a jar.

The prosecutor, Karen McDonald, also made public in the court filing photos of the explicit drawings Crumbley allegedly made that officials said caused a teacher to pull the teenager from class just hours before the Nov. 30 shooting...

 

[passionflower]

Carrying a head of a dead bird reminds me of Jeffrey dalmers mind set when he was young. Different crimes but EC was on his way to massive trouble and parents never noticed? Cared?

 

[borndem]

Carrying a head of a dead bird reminds me of Jeffrey dalmers mind set when he was young. Different crimes but EC was on his way to massive trouble and parents never noticed? Cared?

bbm
I think EC's parents thought he was just in the way, and I think EC knew it even since he was little. His parents were certainly part of what made him do this, IMHO. He was nobody at school and nobody at home. Again, no excuses, no mercy for EC on my part.

IMO, EC was trying to find a way to impress his dad, vent his fear, hurt and anger, and show the students that he was somebody since the students apparently shunned or ignored him at school. He was a ticking time bomb, and something or someone must have set it off. Now that he had "his own" weapon, he was ready.

I think the school staff could have done more, too. Maybe they were under-staffed and/or under-trained -- I dunno about that part.

 

[borndem]

Fieger wants access to Crumbley evidence like the bird head in a jar (detroitnews.com)

High-profile attorney Geoffrey Fieger is seeking subpoena power to gain access to evidence held by investigators in a lawsuit he filed against Oxford Community Schools over a shooting rampage last month that killed four students.

Fieger is displeased that a protective order is blocking access to "crucial" evidence he said is relevant to the civil lawsuit he's pursuing, even though the Oakland County Prosecutor's Office disclosed some of the very information he's seeking in a public court filing just last week.

That new information included the revelation that the accused shooter, 15-year-old Ethan Crumbley, had brought a severed bird head to school in a jar.

The prosecutor, Karen McDonald, also made public in the court filing photos of the explicit drawings Crumbley allegedly made that officials said caused a teacher to pull the teenager from class just hours before the Nov. 30 shooting...

Hmmm, what's in it for Fieger, I wonder...
D'oh.

 

[passionflower]

I can’t even imagine the image of the birds head kids saw!!! Yuck! I’d have nightmares over it