MI - 4 students killed, 6 injured, shooting at Oxford High School, 30 Nov 2021 *Arrest incl parents*

[bestill]

Can a parent really desert their child like this? It's just incredibly unbelievable that they are on the run and their whereabouts are unknown.

 

[katikaboom]

I’m wondering if they went back to the house and found the journals that LE has referred to. MOO

This is what I thought as well. The text from his mom could have come after finding journals that laid out the plans to harm himself and others, the 911 call 15 minutes later could be the result of not being able to find the gun...although to me that makes little sense. Why wouldn't they have called 911 immediately after, they clearly suspected he had the gun at the time his mother texted him.

I wonder if they used the time between the text and the 911 call to co tact a lawyer.

 

[passionflower]

Was EC a loner? Lots of friends? We’re his parents his only friends?

 

[passionflower]

Can a parent really desert their child like this? It's just incredibly unbelievable that they are on the run and their whereabouts are unknown.

Can parents be charged also with abandoning a minor?

 

[bestill]

Agree. I was not impressed with her.

I noticed she was very nervous during her announcement. Maybe because she knew they were mia?

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

This is what I thought as well. The text from his mom could have come after finding journals that laid out the plans to harm himself and others, the 911 call 15 minutes later could be the result of not being able to find the gun...although to me that makes little sense. Why wouldn't they have called 911 immediately after, they clearly suspected he had the gun at the time his mother texted him.

I wonder if they used the time between the text and the 911 call to co tact a lawyer.

Agree, would be no reason to text to not do it if they didn’t think he had the gun. They could’ve been contacting attorney or discussing among themselves what to do.

 

[CrimeAway]

NBC News piece:

 

[TTF14]

Can a parent really desert their child like this? It's just incredibly unbelievable that they are on the run and their whereabouts are unknown.

Nothing surprises me anymore after seeing parents harbor their son, knowing he murdered his fiance, and then (in my opinion) knowingly let him go off to kill himself.

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

Can parents be charged also with abandoning a minor?

As he is in police custody being cared for, not sure this would apply

 

[MrsWatson]

The sheriff said at the beginning of this case that the parents weren't cooperating, so I guess this shouldn't be such a shock, but I never would have guessed they'd just take off.

I was also not super impressed with the prosecutor, but she is new so I will give her the benefit of the doubt for now. Definitely sounds like a breakdown in communication between the prosecutors office and the sheriff, though. Let's hope they have a come together round the campfire meeting and work that out.

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

Can parents be charged also with abandoning a minor?

Probably not, considering he being supervised, and has his basic needs met. Moo.

 

[Wicked Strong]

If we are going down the rabbit hole for wanting to assign levels of guilt to the parents, what guilt do we assign to the school for knowing what they knew, yet allowed him to remain in school instead of escorting him out the door? They also could have/should have searched his backpack & locker. Do we assign guilt to the students and their parents who said after the fact that they didn't go to school because they knew something was up? Slippery slope to only blame his parents, when there were so many other clues. My simple feelings are for the innocent school mates and parents who have lost so much. I haven't any other thoughts for revenge against family, school and others. MOO

 

[Snoopster]

Agree, would be no reason to text to not do it if they didn’t think he had the gun. They could’ve been contacting attorney or discussing among themselves what to do.

They should have been contacting law enforcement! They should have dialed 911.

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

If we are going down the rabbit hole for wanting to assign levels of guilt to the parents, what guilt do we assign to the school for knowing what they knew, yet allowed him to remain in school instead of escorting him out the door? They also could have/should have searched his backpack & locker. Do we assign guilt to the students and their parents who said after the fact that they didn't go to school because they knew something was up? Slippery slope to only blame his parents, when there were so many other clues. My simple feelings are for the innocent school mates and parents who have lost so much. I haven't any other thoughts for revenge against family, school and others. MOO

Per the prosecutor, the role of the school is still being investigated.

 

[Snoopster]

If we are going down the rabbit hole for wanting to assign levels of guilt to the parents, what guilt do we assign to the school for knowing what they knew, yet allowed him to remain in school instead of escorting him out the door? They also could have/should have searched his backpack & locker. Do we assign guilt to the students and their parents who said after the fact that they didn't go to school because they knew something was up? Slippery slope to only blame his parents, when there were so many other clues. My simple feelings are for the innocent school mates and parents who have lost so much. I haven't any other thoughts for revenge against family, school and others. MOO

I'm happy to assign some guilt to the school. That doesn't absolve the parents. They can both be at fault.
You seem to think the parents were ok. Was it ok to buy their son a gun (who you indicated that you heard was autistic)? Do you think that was an acceptable thing?

ETA: you mention us wanting revenge. We want accountability. Parents have accountability. They don't have to be perfect. They can have children with mental illness or social challenges, but they still have a responsibility to try to take care of them. To be parents. They shouldn't then buy them a gun and "LOL" at them being caught trying to buy ammo.

 

[MoeInVA]

I have a CitiGold account and it, along with CitiBank Priority accounts allows atm withdrawals up to 2k a day. For me it means both I and my husband can each withdraw that amount.

It's also possible they used a cash advance on their credit cards if they're willing to pay interest - it's not unusual to withdraw 2.5k or more that way.

Oh my gosh! I just faced this. My husband went on a financial kick. Cancel our credit cards only debit to make it easier to track expenses. Good lord was I shocked when I tried to pay a $4000 work invoice and I was blocked as it was over my daily limit. I had checked first. It was WAY under my balance, but there was a daily limit of $2400 or something? Shhh sorry hubby I’m getting a backup credit card. Probably going back to Amazon credit card, but my DM’s are open for suggestions. I need to be nimble!

 

[bestill]

Here real estate career didn't last very long:

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

If we are going down the rabbit hole for wanting to assign levels of guilt to the parents, what guilt do we assign to the school for knowing what they knew, yet allowed him to remain in school instead of escorting him out the door? They also could have/should have searched his backpack & locker. Do we assign guilt to the students and their parents who said after the fact that they didn't go to school because they knew something was up? Slippery slope to only blame his parents, when there were so many other clues. My simple feelings are for the innocent school mates and parents who have lost so much. I haven't any other thoughts for revenge against family, school and others. MOO

I have previously posted that I think the school made a mistake letting him go back to the classroom and has liability for that. The drawing was disturbing and a huge red flag. It’s my understanding the parents refused to take him home from school so the school admins sent him back to class. I consider that just as much a failure by the school administrators as the parents failure to take him home. Where is the Safetynet when parents fail their kids? They had other options instead of sending him back to the classroom. I’m not sure the school is under the same legal liability though as the parents. In regards to other parents who kept children home because of the rumors well there is a moral responsibility, I don’t think there is a legal responsibility. Assigning responsibility/guilt it’s not about revenge, it’s about exactly what the words mean responsibility, in hopes that recognizing and taking that responsibility will prevent future actions like this MOO

 

[steeltowngirl]

If we are going down the rabbit hole for wanting to assign levels of guilt to the parents, what guilt do we assign to the school for knowing what they knew, yet allowed him to remain in school instead of escorting him out the door? They also could have/should have searched his backpack & locker. Do we assign guilt to the students and their parents who said after the fact that they didn't go to school because they knew something was up? Slippery slope to only blame his parents, when there were so many other clues. My simple feelings are for the innocent school mates and parents who have lost so much. I haven't any other thoughts for revenge against family, school and others. MOO

None of this is about revenge. It’s about stopping school shootings from happening. It’s about justice for innocents that were shot and killed. We’ve been saying it since Columbine, since Sandy Hook - when are we going to take action to make schools safer? When are we going to hold people who let guns get into the hands of kids accountable? What can we do to make it stop? Well, here we are.

 

[Arkay]

Can parents be charged also with abandoning a minor?

I wonder about this. Is Ethan technically in the custody of the state? Ergo, they didn't legally abandon him? I've no idea, but they've certainly abandoned him emotionally if it's true that they have disappeared.

Maybe I shouldn't, but I want to clarify my earlier text about my problematic 40-year old daughter. She is, tragically, a drug addict. We did not know about it for years, even though it was happening right under our noses. Neither my former husband nor I have ever even seen drugs, and we did not catch on. I first realized it when my engagement ring, other jewelry, and $10,000 in cash were missing.

I say this to reinforce my feelings about Ethan's parents. If I had known earlier that my daughter was addicted to drugs, she would have had intervention earlier than she did. Although she's been to rehab three times and has mental health counseling, she's gone back to drugs periodically. She's also stolen from me and others to feed her habit. She's lost custody of her three children, on and off.

Now, if I knew she was a drug addict and bought drugs somewhere for her, or gave her money knowing she'd buy drugs, then I'd blame myself. That to me is the equivalent of what Ethan's parents have done. They enabled him when they should have disabled him from accessing a gun.
And this is even worse IMO, because my daughter has hurt herself, her (also a junkie) husband and her children, as well as the rest of our family. But this child has murdered four other children. He would have murdered more if the police had not gotten there so quickly.

If it turns out that his parents knew his plans in advance, then I hope they are found and given long, long sentences. Ethan will be in jail and his brother is 18 and living with his own mother.

Therefore, no one needs these parents for anything.

IMO.