MI MI - Alexandra Brueger, 31, fatally shot while jogging, Rose Twp, 30 July 2016 #1

[rosesfromangels]

Obviously the bf would be suspected but the telling element here, to me, is that the parents have not been cleared by LE.

The only thing worse than losing your beloved child would be to be considered a suspect. I will have to trust that there is good reason for LE (per the article below), to be including the parents in the cloud of suspicion. I will say, however, that I certainly hope there is a *strong* reason, because it would be incredibly evil to suggest a thing about people that are already suffering the loss of their daughter.

Praying for resolution and closure of this case. These parents have suffered enough.

https://www.wxyz.com/news/local-new...of-metro-detroit-nurse-murdered-while-jogging

 

[rosesfromangels]

I need some help with a point I can't reconcile in this case. There are many of you on the thread who have been diligently researching since the victim was murdered, so thank you in advance for your thoughts.

As I understand it, the victim had an amicable breakup with her boyfriend and moved home to live with her parents. I am correct that she had a 90 minute drive each way to and from her job?

*That is a huge red flag*

Do I have that right?
A 30 something woman moves back in with her parents and has to drive 90 minutes each way to work. Doesn't add up at all. *At all*.

I can only conclude *she knew she was in danger*, and sought the familial protection of her parents house.

Thoughts please.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

IIRC, LE has never indicated that they found the shotgun used to murder Ally. For those not familiar with the Holly area, here's a map that shows the many small lakes that dot the area. I also don't recall that MSP conducted any water searches, but that seems like the most efficient way to dispose of said shotgun. The shooter didn't have to travel far before tossing the shotgun in a small inland lake.

http://www.hask12.org/prospective-families/district-map/

 

[MittenScarpetta]

I need some help with a point I can't reconcile in this case. There are many of you on the thread who have been diligently researching since the victim was murdered, so thank you in advance for your thoughts.

As I understand it, the victim had an amicable breakup with her boyfriend and moved home to live with her parents. I am correct that she had a 90 minute drive each way to and from her job?

*That is a huge red flag*

Do I have that right?
A 30 something woman moves back in with her parents and has to drive 90 minutes each way to work. Doesn't add up at all. *At all*.

I can only conclude *she knew she was in danger*, and sought the familial protection of her parents house.

Thoughts please.

If you go back through combatmedics posts, he said the drive was only 45 mins, IIRC.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I need some help with a point I can't reconcile in this case. There are many of you on the thread who have been diligently researching since the victim was murdered, so thank you in advance for your thoughts.

As I understand it, the victim had an amicable breakup with her boyfriend and moved home to live with her parents. I am correct that she had a 90 minute drive each way to and from her job?

*That is a huge red flag*

Do I have that right?
A 30 something woman moves back in with her parents and has to drive 90 minutes each way to work. Doesn't add up at all. *At all*.

I can only conclude *she knew she was in danger*, and sought the familial protection of her parents house.

Thoughts please.

I don't know exactly what route someone would drive to get from Holly to Novi, but it would depend on time of day and weather conditions how long the commute would be. I live south of Holly, and DH drives to work in west suburban Detroit. His commute can average 45-60 minutes depending on traffic and/or weather conditions. Ally didn't work every day and probably only made the drive from Holly to Novi a couple of times a week, at most.

I agree with you about Ally wanting to move back to Holly with her parents most likely because she was uncomfortable with her previous living arrangements. I don't think I have to explain what this means

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

If you go back through combatmedics posts, he said the drive was only 45 mins, IIRC.

Maybe with no traffic and/or weather considerations, but I doubt the drive from Holly to Novi can be made in 45 minutes.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

Maybe with no traffic and/or weather considerations, but I doubt the drive from Holly to Novi can be made in 45 minutes.

This isn’t address to address, but city center to city center.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I did mapquest for DH's commute: 26.6 miles, 38 minutes. No way has his commute been only 38 minutes! Metro Detroit traffic doesn't move as quickly as most would like, especially during the winter or construction season.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

I did mapquest for DH's commute: 26.6 miles, 38 minutes. No way has his commute been only 38 minutes! Metro Detroit traffic doesn't move as quickly as most would like, especially during the winter or construction season.

I understand where you’re coming from and am well aware of traffic and construction.

I don’t know what route your husband takes for his commute, but if the majority of his driving is on one of the major expressways-yes traffic and construction play a major role.

The majority of the route from holly to Novi is on a main road, not an expressway. Less than 8 miles of the route is on 96.

Routes from point A to point B can differ drastically depending on what roads are driven.

 

[rosesfromangels]

ok - let's compromise and say it takes an hour to drive. : )
Still a big fat red flag to me the a woman in her 30's would move home with her parents and drive an hour each way to work.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I understand where you’re coming from and am well aware of traffic and construction.

I don’t know what route your husband takes for his commute, but if the majority of his driving is on one of the major expressways-yes traffic and construction play a major role.

The majority of the route from holly to Novi is on a main road, not an expressway. Less than 8 miles of the route is on 96.

Routes from point A to point B can differ drastically depending on what roads are driven.

No freeway. Just surface roads. Stop lights. School buses. Now, there's construction and people accessing mile roads as alternative to I-96 closing. No weather issues at this time of year, but very slow due to construction detours that will likely last through the summer. 55-60 minutes at best.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

No freeway. Just surface roads. Stop lights. School buses. Now, there's construction and people accessing mile roads as alternative to I-96 closing. No weather issues at this time of year, but very slow due to construction detours that will likely last through the summer. 55-60 minutes at best.

Perhaps a test run should be done from point A to B to see how long Ally’s commute would have taken. Since she worked 7p-7a, I would expect she had a little less delays on her evening commute and probably a little more on the morning commute.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Perhaps a test run should be done from point A to B to see how long Ally’s commute would have taken. Since she worked 7p-7a, I would expect she had a little less delays on her evening commute and probably a little more on the morning commute.

Oh no, now I've started a road rally!!! ; ). I'm envisioning the two of you peeling through the backroads timing your arrivals. : ) : ) : )

The whole point of this driving speculation was to point out that it just seems odd that a grown woman would move home if it meant she had such a long drive back and forth every day. Surely she could have found even a room close to the hospital?

Spelling it out, I think she moved home because she felt she was in *danger*.
We know that she was.

The picture is becoming very, very clear.....and it has nothing to do with the parents.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

Oh no, now I've started a road rally!!! ; ). I'm envisioning the two of you peeling through the backroads timing your arrivals. : ) : ) : )

The whole point of this driving speculation was to point out that it just seems odd that a grown woman would move home if it meant she had such a long drive back and forth every day. Surely she could have found even a room close to the hospital?

Spelling it out, I think she moved home because she felt she was in *danger*.
We know that she was.

The picture is becoming very, very clear.....and it has nothing to do with the parents.

Hahaha that made me LOL. No road rallies for me.

I agree that she moved because she felt in danger. I haven’t had time to check what hospitals are in the Holly area. I also wish we knew what floor she worked on because depending, that could have influenced her pay rate.

Maybe she was going to pursue a new job at a closer hospital but hadn’t done so yet. Or maybe she was staying at her parents until she figured out where she wanted to live, etc.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Oh no, now I've started a road rally!!! ; ). I'm envisioning the two of you peeling through the backroads timing your arrivals. : ) : ) : )

The whole point of this driving speculation was to point out that it just seems odd that a grown woman would move home if it meant she had such a long drive back and forth every day. Surely she could have found even a room close to the hospital?

Spelling it out, I think she moved home because she felt she was in *danger*.
We know that she was.

The picture is becoming very, very clear.....and it has nothing to do with the parents.

For nearly 20 years, vision issues have precluded my driving on freeways, so I only travel on surface roads and never drive in areas where I haven't been. I also don't drive at night. I've been to Holly several times but am not sure I would drive there alone. Downtown Holly is charming with historic landmarks like the Holly Hotel. During the holidays, the lovely downtown provides the perfect backdrop for the an annual Dickens' festival.

That Ally didn't take her phone with her for her run that day is another red flag for me. I think she was being harassed and didn't want to be bothered by annoying phone calls while she cleared her head. :moo:

 

[Spellbound]

I agree with BDE about why Ally left her phone home. I suspect she was getting too many calls/texts from a specific caller and needed to get away from them.

younger people don't seem to mind the longer commute or heavier traffic flow. For me, if it's over 20 minutes, it is way too far. With Ally working nights and only having to deal with it maybe twice a week, she probably was OK with it, at least on a temporary basis. '


all JMO, of course

 

[Ozoner]

For nearly 20 years, vision issues have precluded my driving on freeways, so I only travel on surface roads and never drive in areas where I haven't been. I also don't drive at night. I've been to Holly several times but am not sure I would drive there alone. Downtown Holly is charming with historic landmarks like the Holly Hotel. During the holidays, the lovely downtown provides the perfect backdrop for the an annual Dickens' festival.

That Ally didn't take her phone with her for her run that day is another red flag for me. I think she was being harassed and didn't want to be bothered by annoying phone calls while she cleared her head. :moo:

It's definitely possible, but jogging clothes don't have many big pockets that would hold a phone. I only jog once in a blue moon (and I'm lucky if I can go for a mile) but it would never occur to me to take my phone with me. I sometimes take my i-pod nano, which is much smaller than my phone and easier to slip into a small pocket.
Has it been stated whether Ally usually took her phone, even in rainy weather? A deviation from her routine would be a red flag.

 

[black_squirrel]

I do not think that the 1 hour commute is a red flag. Many people (including my wife) commute that much, sometimes even more. The alternative for Ally would be to find her own place, but that will cost money. Perhaps she wanted to save.

I do not understand why Ally did not bring her phone. If someone was harassing her, she could simply block that person. Most likely she wouldn't respond to any calls when she was running, anyway. Nicki said in an interview that Ally did not bring the phone because it had rained or was going to rain. But I find this a bit strange.

 

[rosesfromangels]

This thread really illustrates how our own personal experiences can skew our reality one way or another. For some an hour drive is untenable, others it's routine. So there you have it.
As far as running with a phone, I can't even run with my watch on. So once again, it's what was *normal* for her. That we have to rely on info from her parents and those closest to her.

 

[inmyhumbleopinion]

It's definitely possible, but jogging clothes don't have many big pockets that would hold a phone. I only jog once in a blue moon (and I'm lucky if I can go for a mile) but it would never occur to me to take my phone with me. I sometimes take my i-pod nano, which is much smaller than my phone and easier to slip into a small pocket.
Has it been stated whether Ally usually took her phone, even in rainy weather? A deviation from her routine would be a red flag.

RBBM

Not sure about in rainy weather, but this seems to suggest at least sometimes she did:

“Nikki says neighbors who saw Ally on her daily runs said she often had her head down and it made them think she was not paying attention to her surroundings. On the contrary, Nikki says, while her music-loving daughter ran with earbuds in, she was very observant and would bring baby birds home in her hat, which they would feed with eye-droppers. Nikki shows a picture of a baby turtle near a heart-shaped rock that Ally took while on one of her runs.” (BBM)

https://amp.freep.com/amp/90785580

(And I am assuming the picture was taken with a phone and not a camera)