MI MI - Alexandra Brueger, 31, Fatally Shot While Jogging, Rose Twp, 30 July 2016 #2

[JnRyan]

I'm encouraged by the fact that this coward left behind his spent rounds. It gives LE the ability to match the shotgun to those empty casings when it is located. I was hoping maybe they could have gotten fingerprints or even DNA off of them. But from Combatmedic's earlier reply that doesn't appear to be what happened. Maybe LE got tire imprints, but if the killer has changed out the tires by now that will be of little use. LE doesn't appear to have much to work with at this point. I'm still wondering why LE believes it was someone she knew as there may be something they have that has not been released to the public.

 

[Shiressleuth]

WS is giving WS the courtesy of sharing info with us.

He is a medic - he saves lives, not takes them.

He worked a 12 hour night shift and volunteers for the next night too. No I don't think he got a shotgun, drove 2 hours roundtrip to murder Ally and head back for work leaving no evidence. .

 

[Spellbound]

Around here, many don't think anything of an hour drive to get somewhere, and another to get back. The time framce can still fit. Haven't seen any confirmation or time slips to prove he actually worked, so it's kust heresay as far as I am concerned. It might be true, but I take very little on face value alone.

And we all know being a doctor or other medical professional does not exclude them from being considered.

Army medic charged with infant daughter's murder: https://nypost.com/2017/11/16/army-combat-medic-charged-in-rape-murder-of-infant-daughter/

Army medic charged with murder of wife: Army Medic Arrested in Hawaii Love Triangle Murder

Nurse killed 8 elderly patients: She Didn’t Brag or Leave Clues. She Killed Her Patients, Then Went Home to Play Computer Games.

Doctor charged with rape/murder: Former Houston doctor charged with 1988 rape and murder of woman

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Really? Like this hasn’t been suggested about a hundred times already...
Don’t you think if Ally’s case was just that simple they would have solved it by now?

Also, for the record, enough with the “someone” BS. It’s obvious who that “someone” is that you’re referring to... and I have a name.

And since it’s me, Wes Sutherland, that you’re obviously referring to here, I’ll just say this...
First, I have absolutely no criminal record. I’ve never been in trouble with the law. I have no history of violence, of any kind, in my entire life. I’ve never once even thought about laying my hands on any woman I’ve dated, or any other woman for that matter, period! So let’s just get that clear right now. I was raised far better than that!

Secondly, I was the only one who could personally rule this theory out absolutely and definitively, I realized very early on this actually provided me with a unique advantage in solving Ally’s case that no one else really had.
In other words, the unique ability to immediately rule myself out definitively, from day one, gave me an enormous head start, if that makes sense.

So in the very early days, while LE and the average person was probably thinking something like, “Well... it’s probably the boyfriend... it’s ALWAYS the boyfriend...”
I was able to immediately get to work
focusing ALL my attention and ALL my research on everyone else in Ally’s life and every other possibility.

Realizing I had a unique head start over everyone else in finding Ally’s killer, I spent truly endless hours over many many months relentlessly looking for Ally’s killer.
Friends. Relatives. Co-Workers. Neighbors. Ex-boyfriends. Anyone recently released from prison in the area. And yes, even Franz and Nikki.
Whenever a new article came out I would read through every comment on every website looking for any clues.
Every night I spent hours reading through local crime reports looking for anything involving stranger danger, shotgun, road rage, white sedans, joggers being harassed.
Going back years, I read through every police report I could find involving Fish Lake Rd. (The road Ally was killed on) and then even the surrounding roads.
I could honestly go on and on... but you get the point...
I partially lost my sanity to be honest... I withdrew from my family. I was hardly working. Almost lost my job. Lost my apartment because I went broke. Had my reputation drug through the mud by the media.
Basically nothing mattered to me but finding Ally’s killer... and I mean NOTHING!

So if anyone who wants to “suggest” or “speculate” that I might have actually murdered Ally is completely free to do so... But do not expect me to just take that kind of crap laying down, and then try claiming even more suspecion (like anger issues) when I don’t.

Of any person who is wrongly suspected, I would actually expect them to behave like you (trying to find the culprit). But apparently, few people care about the enlightenment, which I will never understand.

 

[Spellbound]

Of any person who is wrongly suspected, I would actually expect them to behave like you (trying to find the culprit). But apparently, few people care about the enlightenment, which I will never understand.

I might be the same way, although I hope I would be working with LE and not just using a forum to get my points across. It is helpful having the VI here, but we are not the ones who will be able to solve this or make an arrest.

 

[flourish]

Of any person who is wrongly suspected, I would actually expect them to behave like you (trying to find the culprit). But apparently, few people care about the enlightenment, which I will never understand.

What do you mean about "the enlightenment?" Do you just mean you think few people care about what actually happened? By "the enlightenment" do you mean "the truth?" We don't have the truth in this case yet...

This thread is so very interesting. It's unique in that we have a VI who may or may not actually be a suspect, and there is this odd kind of...friction or ....I'm not finding the right words but I guess what I'm trying to say is I find it odd that when posters, like on every single other thread, question things about this case, there is so much push-back if the question is in regards to the VI.

Yes, the VI has graced up with his presence, and we should be, and are, appreciative of that. But we are not obligated to believe things the VI says simply because they are a VI and simply because they have chosen to post here.

For example, yes, he's told us what his work schedule was those days. But like spellbound said, that doesn't mean his work schedule is a fact--we haven't seen time cards, etc.

I guess I don't understand why it's such an issue for some that people aren't just taking everything the VI says as gospel. We're Websleuths members---questioning is what we do...that's our thing...I certainly don't mean any disrespect to Mr. Sutherland--I don't know him, I don't know how trustworthy he is. He very well may be completely innocent of any wrongdoing here. But he very well may be the perp. I don't know, and I don't know that anyone here could possibly KNOW, either.

I hadn't watched the Crime Watch Daily show(s) until this week when I watched them on YouTube. I found the comments on the videos to be rather interesting. Having only read about Franz here, seeing him on the video was enlightening (tee hee). He wasn't what I was expecting having read here. Neither was Mr. Sutherland. It was eye-opening to see the interviews. This is an odd crime--broad daylight, shotgun, shot in the back, no known altercation prior...I keep vacillating between random road rage to angry ex-boyfriend to very random crazy person and back to random road rage again. The victim was so diminutive--just a little slip of a thing it's difficult to imagine what kind of horrific coward could shoot her in the back.

I so hope we aren't still wondering years from now...too many cases end up cold...

 

[flourish]

I've been wrongfully accused of something truly heinous. It's not a nice place to be. I'm eternally grateful my situation occurred when the internet was still a dial-up AOL mess. I appreciate the bravery it takes to be interviewed for articles and shows, and to post here. And of course wrongfully accused people are going to be defensive. But so are rightfully accused people.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Around here, many don't think anything of an hour drive to get somewhere, and another to get back. The time framce can still fit. Haven't seen any confirmation or time slips to prove he actually worked, so it's kust heresay as far as I am concerned. It might be true, but I take very little on face value alone.

And we all know being a doctor or other medical professional does not exclude them from being considered.

Army medic charged with infant daughter's murder: https://nypost.com/2017/11/16/army-combat-medic-charged-in-rape-murder-of-infant-daughter/

Army medic charged with murder of wife: Army Medic Arrested in Hawaii Love Triangle Murder

Nurse killed 8 elderly patients: She Didn’t Brag or Leave Clues. She Killed Her Patients, Then Went Home to Play Computer Games.

Doctor charged with rape/murder: Former Houston doctor charged with 1988 rape and murder of woman

WADR these cases are not comparable - based on their motive and MO. IMO. (sexual or elderly)


Two hours drive for a motiveless murder is the same everywhere IMO.

 

[flourish]

WADR these cases are not comparable - based on their motive and MO. IMO. (sexual or elderly)


Two hours drive for a motiveless murder is the same everywhere IMO.

Motiveless? Says who? Huh?

 

[bluesneakers]

And we all know being a doctor or other medical professional does not exclude them from being considered.

You're right about we see it all the time with medical professionals. The same is true for many professions we consider respectable or trustworthy - firefighters, EMTs, military members, police officers, teachers, social workers, etc. A job title doesn't mean someone is incapable of evil.

 

[bluesneakers]

WADR these cases are not comparable - based on their motive and MO. IMO. (sexual or elderly)


Two hours drive for a motiveless murder is the same everywhere IMO.

Astronaut Lisa Nowak drove 900 miles.
Lisa Nowak - Wikipedia

 

[Shiressleuth]

Astronaut Lisa Nowak drove 900 miles.
Lisa Nowak - Wikipedia

Motive - sexual/love rival - no attempted murder.

Motive in Ally's case? Do we know?

Eta 900 miles = lunch break for an astronaut.

 

[katsrfun]

Really? Like this hasn’t been suggested about a hundred times already...
Don’t you think if Ally’s case was just that simple they would have solved it by now?

Also, for the record, enough with the “someone” BS. It’s obvious who that “someone” is that you’re referring to... and I have a name.

And since it’s me, Wes Sutherland, that you’re obviously referring to here, I’ll just say this...
First, I have absolutely no criminal record. I’ve never been in trouble with the law. I have no history of violence, of any kind, in my entire life. I’ve never once even thought about laying my hands on any woman I’ve dated, or any other woman for that matter, period! So let’s just get that clear right now. I was raised far better than that!

Secondly, I was the only one who could personally rule this theory out absolutely and definitively, I realized very early on this actually provided me with a unique advantage in solving Ally’s case that no one else really had.
In other words, the unique ability to immediately rule myself out definitively, from day one, gave me an enormous head start, if that makes sense.

So in the very early days, while LE and the average person was probably thinking something like, “Well... it’s probably the boyfriend... it’s ALWAYS the boyfriend...”
I was able to immediately get to work
focusing ALL my attention and ALL my research on everyone else in Ally’s life and every other possibility.

Realizing I had a unique head start over everyone else in finding Ally’s killer, I spent truly endless hours over many many months relentlessly looking for Ally’s killer.
Friends. Relatives. Co-Workers. Neighbors. Ex-boyfriends. Anyone recently released from prison in the area. And yes, even Franz and Nikki.
Whenever a new article came out I would read through every comment on every website looking for any clues.
Every night I spent hours reading through local crime reports looking for anything involving stranger danger, shotgun, road rage, white sedans, joggers being harassed.
Going back years, I read through every police report I could find involving Fish Lake Rd. (The road Ally was killed on) and then even the surrounding roads.
I could honestly go on and on... but you get the point...
I partially lost my sanity to be honest... I withdrew from my family. I was hardly working. Almost lost my job. Lost my apartment because I went broke. Had my reputation drug through the mud by the media.
Basically nothing mattered to me but finding Ally’s killer... and I mean NOTHING!

So if anyone who wants to “suggest” or “speculate” that I might have actually murdered Ally is completely free to do so... But do not expect me to just take that kind of crap laying down, and then try claiming even more suspecion (like anger issues) when I don’t.

Hi, guys. I know we don't have to believe CM, but do you really think he would spend so much time trying to find her killer? Look at all of the killers who say they will look forever, and no nothing (take OJ for an example). I'm sure he loved her and he is trying to get to the bottom of this. Why spend so much time, if he is innocent. I'm sure he didn't want to almost lose his job and take away from his own life, even though he is surely suffering. And, he has absolutely no reason to come here, except trying to help, and maybe someone will recognize something he says and be able to put something together. I think those that accuse him or intimate that he did this are being mean. You can think anything, but why put it out there on this forum, where he is an active participant. This is my opinion, and I really don't believe CM did it. I'm not sure her father did, but who knows. I surely hope it is solved soon. And, I, personally thank CM for giving us what he knows. Again, all my opinion only. Thanks, Katt

 

[bluesneakers]

Motive - sexual/love rival - no attempted murder.

Motive in Ally's case? Do we know?

Eta 900 miles = lunch break for an astronaut.

It was just one example. There are many others, and no, we don't know the motive or even if there was one. My point is people can and have travelled more than an hour to murder, kidnap, or harm another person. In some cases it has been for motiveless crimes where the person killed someone who was virtually a stranger.

If we don't know the motive how can we say how far the killer would or wouldn't have travelled to commit the crime?

 

[Shiressleuth]

It was just one example. There are many others, and no, we don't know the motive or even if there was one. My point is people can and have travelled more than an hour to murder, kidnap, or harm another person. In some cases it has been for motiveless crimes where the person killed someone who was virtually a stranger.

If we don't know the motive how can we say how far the killer would or wouldn't have travelled to commit the crime?

I agree there is no apparent motive. My only point about WS driving two hours to do itmakes zero sense to me. Especially when they work together.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Hi, guys. I know we don't have to believe CM, but do you really think he would spend so much time trying to find her killer? Look at all of the killers who say they will look forever, and no nothing (take OJ for an example). I'm sure he loved her and he is trying to get to the bottom of this. Why spend so much time, if he is innocent. I'm sure he didn't want to almost lose his job and take away from his own life, even though he is surely suffering. And, he has absolutely no reason to come here, except trying to help, and maybe someone will recognize something he says and be able to put something together. I think those that accuse him or intimate that he did this are being mean. You can think anything, but why put it out there on this forum, where he is an active participant. This is my opinion, and I really don't believe CM did it. I'm not sure her father did, but who knows. I surely hope it is solved soon. And, I, personally thank CM for giving us what he knows. Again, all my opinion only. Thanks, Katt

I so agree with u Katt.

 

[flourish]

Lol if you only knew how many people in my area drove over two hours last week simply to get "good" fireworks over in Wyoming. A two hour drive is nothing for many people.

I'm reminded of those "to catch a predator" shows where a guy would drive 20 hours to "hang out" with a young teen.

Lol driving times aren't a big barrier for killers.... Jodi Arias also comes to mind.

Again who says this was motiveless? Only the killer knows their motive.

<modsnip>

 

[bears10]

I agree there is no apparent motive. My only point about WS driving two hours to do itmakes zero sense to me. Especially when they work together.

Just how it makes zero sense to some of us that Franz would get in his car to shoot ally while she was running, especially when they live together.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

What do you mean about "the enlightenment?" Do you just mean you think few people care about what actually happened? By "the enlightenment" do you mean "the truth?" We don't have the truth in this case yet...

Clarification of a crime I meant with "enlightenment"(Google translation, sorry). I don't wonder, if a suspect, who knows he hadn't done the deed, tries to find the real perp himself (as CM does). I would wonder, if he wouldn't try it. Saying that, I think of a certain person in another case on WS, who is at least a POI and is living with that term for 8 years now. It seems, he isn't interested to find the murderer of his "friend" (IF there is indeed someone responsible except himself).
So, I think, CM should continue with his work to find Ally's murderer. It's understandable, that he tries his best.
Okay, we here on WS don't have proof, whether our VI always says the truth. We may believe him or not or may hope, he won't disappoint us. I for my part would like to hope.

 

[Spellbound]

Hi, guys. I know we don't have to believe CM, but do you really think he would spend so much time trying to find her killer? Look at all of the killers who say they will look forever, and no nothing (take OJ for an example). I'm sure he loved her and he is trying to get to the bottom of this. Why spend so much time, if he is innocent. I'm sure he didn't want to almost lose his job and take away from his own life, even though he is surely suffering. And, he has absolutely no reason to come here, except trying to help, and maybe someone will recognize something he says and be able to put something together. I think those that accuse him or intimate that he did this are being mean. You can think anything, but why put it out there on this forum, where he is an active participant. This is my opinion, and I really don't believe CM did it. I'm not sure her father did, but who knows. I surely hope it is solved soon. And, I, personally thank CM for giving us what he knows. Again, all my opinion only. Thanks, Katt

Overall I agree with you. however, this is a crime forum and the reason we "put it out there on this forum" is because that is what we do here. Sooner or later we all tend to lean toward an angle that makes most sense to [each of] us. As CM had said, he understands that people closest to the victim will get scrutinized.

I imagine there have been instances where a crime suspect has joined a forum to pick up on the info that is being shared. I think we are ingrained to be suspicious of anyone claiming inside info that can't be verified other than by the one person giving that info.

If Wes is truly not involved, he will continue sharing and doing his best to help us understand. For that, I give him credit.