MI MI - Alexandra Brueger, 31, Fatally Shot While Jogging, Rose Twp, 30 July 2016 #2

[ZaZara]

I'm an on and off lurker on this thread & hoping this case is solved soon.

Was a bit surprised to read thet the father allegedly would have fled to Germany. IMHO the father no longer has German citizenship after joining the American military, and Germany would have no qualms extraditing an American citizen.
As for reclaiming his German citizenship (all speculation IMHO) Germany has laws to prevent that in certain cases and this case (if and when) would apply.

In the interview "meet Franz Buerger" he tells:

A. One of the conditions of coming to the United States was that I was to sign with the U.S. Selective Service within six months, which I did.

Q: How did you end up in Vietnam?

A: In March of 1968 I was drafted. I was not yet a citizen of the United States, but it didn’t matter if you could not speak, read or write in English, as long as you could figure things out.

BBM

not yet.... so later on, yes indeed.

BTW the link to the interview is the webcache, don't know if it will last, but it was my only way to see it.
Copied here, with the references to the citizenship BBM

Lifetime member of Fenton VFW

• Grieving father

 Franz Brueger, 69, lives in Rose Township with his wife, Nikki, and Zeus, their late daughter Alexandra’s beloved dog. They live in the same house Franz bought in 1976.

You have a wonderful German accent. Where were you born?

 I was born in Schweinfurt, Germany, which is near Wurtzburg, along the Main River. Schweinfurt is known for its ball bearing factories and other mechanical parts.

When did you come to the United States?

 I arrived here in 1966, when I was 18 years old. I had two sisters already living here. One of the conditions of coming to the United States was that I was to sign with the U.S. Selective Service within six months, which I did.

What was your first job in Michigan?

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[Jennifer17]

You don't have to be a citizen to enlist in the US military.

 

[flourish]

Aww that story about visiting Playmobil and the dollhouse is pretty heart wrenching. My daddy made me a dollhouse, too. And when I taught preschool I'll admit I liked to "test" out the new Playmobil sets before letting the kids loose with it lol. Teacher privilege!

 

[Shiressleuth]

I'm also very curious about how many cases where a parent kills an adult offspring which occurred outside the home and didn't involve some kind of bat crazy "exorcism" or the like.

I posted a link - 18% adult filicide rate apparently.


Also, in the UK, 9 out of ten women are killed by someone they know.

‘Shocking’ toll of women killed by men renews call for safe spaces


Still looking for more US stats..


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[Jennifer17]

I posted a link - 18% adult filicide rate apparently.​

I think that that covers all adult children killed by a parent.

 

[Shiressleuth]

I think that that covers all adult children killed by a parent.

Indeed. I'll let flourish google for the non-batshitt crazy exorcism cases.

 

[ZaZara]

 I arrived here in 1966, when I was 18 years old. I had two sisters already living here. One of the conditions of coming to the United States was that I was to sign with the U.S. Selective Service within six months, which I did.

The father came to the US at a time when many families would have given gold for a German passport to keep their sons out of the army.
He came to join his sisters.

IMHO it is totally feasible that he still has living relatives (sisters and families) in (or outside) the US that he can visit.

 

[flourish]

Thanks for the stats. I forget that not all posts show for me in this new format and thus I miss stuff sometimes.
This article says

But more than 13% of the victims were adults, specifically people in ages running from 18 to 40 years old. So the threat of filicide doesn't go away when people get old enough to move out on their own.

A parent killing a child happens more often than we think - CNN

So it happens, but it's rare, as that is saying 13% of children killed by parents were adults at the time of the murder.

I'm not having luck finding stats about the situations in which these murders occurred. Granted, though, I'm at work still and so I can't be as thorough as I'd like in my research.

However...

think about it...how often do we hear of a parent killing an adult child? Not too often. In those we do hear of, how many were in the middle of a domestic violence episode? How many happened within the home? How many happened due to mental illness (ie "exorcism").

Rhetorical! I know we don't know these answers. But think about it...

Okay, now how many times have we heard of an adult female being killed and the perp is her ex or current or "on and off" boyfriend? Yeah...a lot more than the above!

So, statistically, we all know who to look at.

However, we all also know statistics don't mean that's what happened here. But, I'm still missing what the motive is supposed to be here if it was Franz...he sounds like he was perhaps disinterested in being a father, and may have actively disliked Ally, but that's a big step to cold-blooded, shooting-someone-in-the-back murder in public in the daytime. One would think that perhaps if there had been an altercation intense enough to lead to murder, that there would be some sort of evidence...like...a mess back at the house, or text messages to a friend complaining about dad, or, I would think, a person would be most likely to take their phone with them on the run if there had just been some kind of argument.

I'm just not seeing it...it's just bizarre to consider a father shooting his daughter in the back in daylight in public, with no known prior altercation.

The theory that dad did it would never have occurred to me if not presented here. Perhaps that says more about me than anything else...likely so, I guess. Still, though, there is something hinky stinky in this case, and I'm just not buying what's currently being sold.

I sure do hope for a resolution with this one. And soon.

 

[Jennifer17]

Thanks for the stats. I forget that not all posts show for me in this new format and thus I miss stuff sometimes.
This article says



A parent killing a child happens more often than we think - CNN

So it happens, but it's rare, as that is saying 13% of children killed by parents were adults at the time of the murder.

I'm not having luck finding stats about the situations in which these murders occurred. Granted, though, I'm at work still and so I can't be as thorough as I'd like in my research.

However...

think about it...how often do we hear of a parent killing an adult child? Not too often. In those we do hear of, how many were in the middle of a domestic violence episode? How many happened within the home? How many happened due to mental illness (ie "exorcism").

Rhetorical! I know we don't know these answers. But think about it...

Okay, now how many times have we heard of an adult female being killed and the perp is her ex or current or "on and off" boyfriend? Yeah...a lot more than the above!

So, statistically, we all know who to look at.

However, we all also know statistics don't mean that's what happened here. But, I'm still missing what the motive is supposed to be here if it was Franz...he sounds like he was perhaps disinterested in being a father, and may have actively disliked Ally, but that's a big step to cold-blooded, shooting-someone-in-the-back murder in public in the daytime. One would think that perhaps if there had been an altercation intense enough to lead to murder, that there would be some sort of evidence...like...a mess back at the house, or text messages to a friend complaining about dad, or, I would think, a person would be most likely to take their phone with them on the run if there had just been some kind of argument.

I'm just not seeing it...it's just bizarre to consider a father shooting his daughter in the back in daylight in public, with no known prior altercation.

The theory that dad did it would never have occurred to me if not presented here. Perhaps that says more about me than anything else...likely so, I guess. Still, though, there is something hinky stinky in this case, and I'm just not buying what's currently being sold.

I sure do hope for a resolution with this one. And soon.

I totally agree and if he is as controlling of his wife as we have been led to believe, why not just refuse to let her move back in and Nikki would have no say.
So, she moves back in and he resents it so much, he kills her? She stays in the home, knowing that her father hates her and doesn't want her there?

That is just not credible to me.

 

[Shiressleuth]

More Than 1,600 Women Murdered by Men in One Year, New Study Finds

This US study appears to show similar figures to the UK, 9 out of 10 women killed by someone they knew, generally after an argument.

 

[Jennifer17]

More Than 1,600 Women Murdered by Men in One Year, New Study Finds

This US study appears to show similar figures to the UK, 9 out of 10 women killed by someone they knew, generally after an argument.

And 64% of those were killed by an intimate partner.

 

[Shiressleuth]

It's dreadful statistics however we look at it. 93% of women killed by someone they know, 64% by a partner, 29% by others they know.
Only 7% killed by strangers.

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[Jennifer17]

It's dreadful statistics however we look at it. 93% of women killed by someone they know, 64% by a partner, 29% by others they know

Yes.

 

[Shiressleuth]

That's probably why police have said they think she was familiar with her killer, because of those statistics. It could still be random but unlikely. I just keep thinking about the random murders of the other two female joggers around the same time.

 

[Jennifer17]

That's probably why police have said they think she was familiar with her killer, because of those statistics. It could still be random but unlikely. I just

No, I do not think police just go on statistics, Give then more credit than that. IMO, they have other reasons for thinking that the perp was known to her. We do not know what it is, but they seem to.

 

[Shiressleuth]

They've had two years of "credit" and have got nothing. those two other joggers already have vonvictions.E="Jennifer17, post: 14187128, member: 199552"]No, I do not think police just go on statistics, Give then more credit than that. IMO, they have other reasons for thinking that the perp was known to her. We do not know what it is, but they seem to.[/QUOTE]
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[Shiressleuth]

When you factor in the shotgun in the small of the back, it is even more unusual IMO.

 

[Jennifer17]

They've had two years of "credit" and have got nothing. those two other joggers already have vonvictions.E="Jennifer17, post: 14187128, member: 199552"]No, I do not think police just go on statistics, Give then more credit than that. IMO, they have other reasons for thinking that the perp was known to her. We do not know what it is, but they seem to.

I am not sure what this garbled post means.

 

[Jennifer17]

When you factor in the shotgun in the small of the back, it is even more unusual IMO.

What is a nonviction? That is your word.

 

[Shiressleuth]

That's how the forum is working for me at times. Have reported it on "welcome to websle
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