MI MI - Alexandra Brueger, 31, Fatally Shot While Jogging, Rose Twp, 30 July 2016 #2

[Combatmedic2121]

On a side note!
I want to say I honestly appreciate the attention this thread and Ally’s case has been receiving. The more eyes on this case the better! I’ve had multiple posters message me privately with useful info regarding Franz. Info I wouldn’t have obtained otherwise. Thank you!

I know I can be harsh, sarcastic, or “mouthy” (as Franz would say). Ally and I were honestly a lot alike in that way. We were tough mentally and verbally, but never with each other! And Ally was even tougher and more sarcastic than I am!
We rarely ever fought! But when we did I would always let her win lol.
I take the positions I do and defend them as tough as I do because if the roles were reveresed... Ally would fight for justice and truth regarding my murder.
Ally was toughest woman and most intelligent woman I’ve ever met. If roles were reversed and she was on this forum she would make me look like a sweetheart! I promise! She would be raising Hell!
If there’s one quote that represents Ally’s personality the best, it’s this:
“And though she be little... she is fierce!”
And I absolutely loved her for it!

It was the things I loved most about Ally...the things that made me fall in love with her... that I believe Franz hated the most.... that’s why this is more deeply personal than any of you will ever realize.
I tell you this to give you an insight of the kind of woman you all seek justice for.

 

[bears10]

Combat medic, in one breath you say you are the only one who can provide any insight into the case, but in the next you say people are messaging you info about Franz that you wouldn’t have obtained otherwise. These statements contradict one another. Also, it is against TOS to publicly discuss private messages.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Good grief .... I'm in Michigan and know how easy it is to get guns of all kinds. I can even have guns without buying them and no papertrail. Relatives have died and we "inheritrd" without paperwork, Reltives have traded between themselves. Some of us have had our "own" guns since we were kids hunting with dad. Some just use their dad's or a relatives and keep them for longer than they should.

The article says:
--In Michigan, most people can walk into a gun shop and walk out with a shotgun or rifle within an hour.
--To buy and carry a handgun, the process is more extensive
--specialty weapons, such as full automatic weapons or silencers and explosives = much more extensive application and background check

sounds pretty easy to legally buy a shotgun here

We are not all from Mi or even the US so I thought the article would be of interest especially as Lt Shaw is quoted therein.

I took it to mean paperwork had to be completed but if you or someone you know has recently bought a gun in Mi , perhaps you can explain the process (or lack of).

Of course we don't know the perp or weapon was even from Mi either.

 

[Spellbound]

We are not all from Mi or even the US so I thought the article would be of interest especially as Lt Shaw is quoted therein.

I took it to mean paperwork had to be completed but if you or someone you know has recently bought a gun in Mi , perhaps you can explain the process (or lack of).

Of course we don't know the perp or weapon was even from Mi either.

I'm not sure why this has any importance at this time, unless you believe the shotgun was a recent purchase. Or that the shell casings could be compared to recent sales?

Yes, to purchase from a licensed seller there is paperwork involved, often a background check (depending on type of purchase). To transfer between relatives/friends, buy at a yard sale, receive as a gift, and by other means there will rarely be paperwork. Cash exchanged; maybe a bill of sale or maybe not, andd they go.

I am no gun expert, just have a lot of relatives who own guns and have for years, and most did not come from a gunshop or with paperwork that had to be filed other than for our own records if we wanted to have it. In my lifetime it has only been recently (not exactly sure how many years) that the laws are changing to make it harder to purchase. But guns can be obtained in ways that are not always legal, too. For all we know, this was a stolen shotgun.


Are you not in the States, Shire?

 

[Shiressleuth]

No - I am in the UK in the shires.

I'm not sure why this has any importance at this time, unless you believe the shotgun was a recent purchase. Or that the shell casings could be compared to recent sales?

Yes, to purchase from a licensed seller there is paperwork involved, often a background check (depending on type of purchase). To transfer between relatives/friends, buy at a yard sale, receive as a gift, and by other means there will rarely be paperwork. Cash exchanged; maybe a bill of sale or maybe not, andd they go.

I am no gun expert, just have a lot of relatives who own guns and have for years, and most did not come from a gunshop or with paperwork that had to be filed other than for our own records if we wanted to have it. In my lifetime it has only been recently (not exactly sure how many years) that the laws are changing to make it harder to purchase. But guns can be obtained in ways that are not always legal, too. For all we know, this was a stolen shotgun.


Are you not in the States, Shire?

I'm not sure why this has any importance at this time, unless you believe the shotgun was a recent purchase. Or that the shell casings could be compared to recent sales?

Yes, to purchase from a licensed seller there is paperwork involved, often a background check (depending on type of purchase). To transfer between relatives/friends, buy at a yard sale, receive as a gift, and by other means there will rarely be paperwork. Cash exchanged; maybe a bill of sale or maybe not, andd they go.

I am no gun expert, just have a lot of relatives who own guns and have for years, and most did not come from a gunshop or with paperwork that had to be filed other than for our own records if we wanted to have it. In my lifetime it has only been recently (not exactly sure how many years) that the laws are changing to make it harder to purchase. But guns can be obtained in ways that are not always legal, too. For all we know, this was a stolen shotgun.


Are you not in the States, Shire?

 

[Spellbound]

No - I am in the UK in the shires.

I didn't know .... sorry. I always thought you were here in the States. lovely country, yes? In my younger days I would have loved to visit there.

 

[Shiressleuth]

I cannot believe you can buy guns at a yard sale FPS .

 

[bluesneakers]

I'm not sure why this has any importance at this time, unless you believe the shotgun was a recent purchase. Or that the shell casings could be compared to recent sales?

Yes, to purchase from a licensed seller there is paperwork involved, often a background check (depending on type of purchase). To transfer between relatives/friends, buy at a yard sale, receive as a gift, and by other means there will rarely be paperwork. Cash exchanged; maybe a bill of sale or maybe not, and they go.

I am no gun expert, just have a lot of relatives who own guns and have for years, and most did not come from a gunshop or with paperwork that had to be filed other than for our own records if we wanted to have it. In my lifetime it has only been recently (not exactly sure how many years) that the laws are changing to make it harder to purchase. But guns can be obtained in ways that are not always legal, too. For all we know, this was a stolen shotgun.


Are you not in the States, Shire?

I think people from other countries who have never lived in the US have a hard time grasping just how easy it is to get a gun.

 

[Spellbound]

I cannot believe you can buy guns at a yard sale FPS .

Private Gun Sale Laws by State - FindLaw
PRIVATE GUN SALES by State
Federally licensed firearms dealers are required by federal law to conduct background checks on prospective buyers, but private (unlicensed) sellers are not. Some states require background checks for private sales, usually through a licensed intermediary, but others have few to no regulations on private gun sales.

Federal gun laws established under the Brady Handgun Violence Protection Act prohibit gun ownership by certain individuals, such as the mentally ill or those under protective orders for domestic violence.

Below is a list of private gun sale laws by state, including background check requirements.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

her father has a very difficult time speaking toward the end. I cannot believe this is just an act.

Neither do I.

 

[Shiressleuth]

I think people from other countries who have never lived in the US have a hard time grasping just how easy it is to get a gun.

We can no longer have handguns ( since the Dunblane massacre) but shot guns can be purchased with a licence from the police here in UK. (Farmers, hunters etc).

 

[Shiressleuth]

Pretty sure we know most things about FB, including where he keeps his shotgun, publically from CM2121, not the other way round.
MOO

 

[Jennifer17]

Pretty sure we know most things about FB, including where he keeps his shotgun, publically from CM2121, not the other way round.
MOO

What does that mean?

 

[Spellbound]

Pretty sure we know most things about FB, including where he keeps his shotgun, publically from CM2121, not the other way round.
MOO

Same place my father used to keep his ... in a closet. No kids in the home. May ( or not) have been there for years, may not even work. he may have cleaned it regularly. It may (or not) be empty and in a case.

Having a gun in the closet does not mean anything unless it matched the shell casings --- in which case, wouldn't he have been arrested by now?

 

[Combatmedic2121]

Same place my father used to keep his ... in a closet. No kids in the home. May ( or not) have been there for years, may not even work. he may have cleaned it regularly. It may (or not) be empty and in a case.

Having a gun in the closet does not mean anything unless it matched the shell casings --- in which case, wouldn't he have been arrested by now?

The fact that they found the same type of weapon Ally was killed with in the parents home and this weapon was NOT disclosed to LE before the search... and then when it was found Nikki suddenly claimed it was hers. Based on everything else I’ve told about Nikki covering for Franz... the bigger picture...Nobody thinks this is odd at all?

Match or not, I find it extremely relevant and suspicious at this point, and you would as well if LE had found an undisclosed shotgun at my apartment. The only reason you don’t is because you’re in denial.

 

[bluesneakers]

Same place my father used to keep his ... in a closet. No kids in the home. May ( or not) have been there for years, may not even work. he may have cleaned it regularly. It may (or not) be empty and in a case.

Having a gun in the closet does not mean anything unless it matched the shell casings --- in which case, wouldn't he have been arrested by now?

Yes, he would have been arrested long ago if the shell casings matched.

 

[Jennifer17]

The fact that they found the same type of weapon Ally was killed with in the parents home and this weapon was NOT disclosed to LE before the search... and then when it was found Nikki suddenly claimed it was hers. Based on everything else I’ve told about Nikki covering for Franz... the bigger picture...Nobody thinks this is odd at all?

Match or not, I find it extremely relevant and suspicious at this point, and you would as well if LE had found an undisclosed shotgun at my apartment. The only reason you don’t is because you’re in denial.

How do you know this?

 

[Spellbound]

The fact that they found the same type of weapon Ally was killed with in the parents home and this weapon was NOT disclosed to LE before the search... and then when it was found Nikki suddenly claimed it was hers. Based on everything else I’ve told about Nikki covering for Franz... the bigger picture...Nobody thinks this is odd at all?

Match or not, I find it extremely relevant and suspicious at this point, and you would as well if LE had found an undisclosed shotgun at my apartment. The only reason you don’t is because you’re in denial.

Shotguns are/were a common item in many homes as I was growing up and relatives hunted or returned from Service. Having one in a closet and "forgetting" about it only indicates (to me) that it had been there so long that they didn't even think about it any more. Why it matters if it belong to him or her doesn't affect me, it was there and available to both.

Then why was he not arrested? Not denial, it speaks differently to me than to you, is all.

 

[bluesneakers]

The fact that they found the same type of weapon Ally was killed with in the parents home and this weapon was NOT disclosed to LE before the search... and then when it was found Nikki suddenly claimed it was hers. Based on everything else I’ve told about Nikki covering for Franz... the bigger picture...Nobody thinks this is odd at all?

Match or not, I find it extremely relevant and suspicious at this point, and you would as well if LE had found an undisclosed shotgun at my apartment. The only reason you don’t is because you’re in denial.

Same type of shotgun? Not all shotguns are the same - there are different types and different gauges.

 

[inmyhumbleopinion]

The fact that they found the same type of weapon Ally was killed with in the parents home and this weapon was NOT disclosed to LE before the search... and then when it was found Nikki suddenly claimed it was hers. Based on everything else I’ve told about Nikki covering for Franz... the bigger picture...Nobody thinks this is odd at all?

RSABBM

Who are they?