MI MI - Alexandra Brueger, 31, Fatally Shot While Jogging, Rose Twp, 30 July 2016 #2

[Shiressleuth]

RSABBM for focus

I think the fact that nobody can understand how or why Franz murdered his daughter in cold blood is simply because it didn't happen that way.

Occam's Razor

Not quite nobody.

Depression and medication? I did post an example upthread

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I wonder, why A. did own a rescue dog?

 

[Combatmedic2121]

RunderlinrdBM for focus.

First and foremost, thank you, @Combatmedic2121 for your service.

For those who may not be familiar with the “‘I see dead people’ whenever I look at road kill...” comment, and to put it in context, here is what Franz said in reply to the question, “Do you think about Vietnam today?”

“Vietnam will never go away for me. Vietnam is a daily thought and will be what I think about when I take my last breath. I can’t look at road kill because of Vietnam. I see dead people. I belong to a Vietnam support group where we talk about these things. There are many veterans who don’t know there is a lot of good help out there. All they need to do is contact a VA hospital or veterans center.” (BBM)

Meet Franz Brueger

Knowing that he served in Vietnam, personally, I don’t find the “I can’t look at roadkill” comment alarming at all, though I do find it very sad. As someone who has lived with PTSD for ten-plus years, at least for me, there are certain things, situations, people, places, scents, sounds, etc., that I must avoid because they bring back memories associated with the trauma and trigger flashbacks. I can easily see how for some people the sight of roadkill can bring back memories of Vietnam, which probably, and unfortunately, include dead people.

All of this is just my opinion and perspective based on personal experience, and I am more than happy to agree to disagree.


What I do find alarming, as well as disturbing, however, is your statement that you “say all this because it should be recognized that it is simply a fact that Franz is a mentally ill individual”. It is also troubling to me that you repeatedly refer to it as “fact.” The fact is only a licensed clinician (i.e., psychologist with a psych. Ph.D. or Psy.D., or a psychiatrist) can make that diagnosis.

What Franz’s response to Ms. Hogan’s question indicates to me personally is this is someone who isn’t afraid to talk about his personal struggles or to face them head-on (“I belong to a Vietnam support group where we talk about these things”), and is also trying to help others with similar experiences by sharing information about resources available.

I have to be honest with you... I have A LOT of questions and serious concerns regarding this post.

We’ll start here...
“What I do find alarming, as well as disturbing, however, is your statement that you “say all this because it should be recognized that it is simply a fact that Franz is a mentally ill individual”.”

Ok, so what specifically about this quote do you find so “alarming” and “disturbing” exactly? And specifically why? Because you never actually say.
Everyone who has “liked” this post, or claimed it to be “well written”... they all must be just assuming to know what your talking about and what your specifically “disturbed” and “alarmed” by, and why?
I, however, have no idea what your talking about.
Are you suggesting that you disagree with the mainstream medical consensus regarding PTSD’s classification as a mental illness/disorder? Do you disagree that those individuals struggling with a mental illness are, by definition, mentally ill?
Or do this just make you uncomfortable for some other reason?
Again, what exactly are you so “alarmed” and “disturbed” by here, and why?

Then you say...
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]“It is also troubling to me that you repeatedly refer to it as “fact.” The fact is only a licensed clinician (i.e., psychologist with a psych. Ph.D. or Psy.D., or a psychiatrist) can make that diagnosis.” [/FONT]

Now, I completely agree with the diagnosis part...
So what you are really suggesting here is that, since it cannot be confirmed Franz ever received an actual PTSD diagnosis, it should NOT be assumed as “fact” that Franz actually has PTSD and, in effect, suggesting that it may possible Franz doesn’t really have PTSD at all...

But then, as if your position on this issue wasn’t already confusing enough, you go on to say....
“What Franz’s response to Ms. Hogan’s question indicates to me personally is this is someone who isn’t afraid to talk about his personal struggles or to face them head-on (“I belong to a Vietnam support group where we talk about these things”), and is also trying to help others with similar experiences by sharing information about resources available.”

I wonder...
What “personal struggles” are you specifically referring to here?
What “similar experiences” are you referring to, and why would those individuals with “similar experiences” need “help” from “resources”?
What kind of “resources” might you be referring to?
You also mentioned your own personal involvement in a “Vietnam Support group”...

Now, I notice you really went out of your way here to beat around the bush and avoid using the actual word...PTSD
However, I certainly hope you’re not suggesting that Franz does, in fact, have PTSD (a mental illness, and therefor mentally ill) because that would be... what were the words you used earlier?
That’s right... “alarming”, “troubling”, and “disturbing”!
Not to mention hypocritical and completely contradictory!

In other words, you don’t get to have your cake and eat it too:

You don’t get to start this post off CLEARLY referring to Franz as having PTSD, as if this is a widely accepted “fact”... Even relating to Franz and his “I see dead people” comment... by saying you could understand this as “someone who has lived with PTSD for ten-plus years.”

Then you want to turn around and chastise me...
Claiming it’s “alarming”, “troubling, and “disturbing” for me to be talking about Franz having PTSD as a “fact”.... BUT ONLY because I was talking about the possibly that his PTSD might have played some role in his daughter’s murder.
In effect, you suggested that since we cant confirm he has a diagnosis, it might be possible Franz doesn’t have PTSD at all!
Which, also In effect, you’re suggesting the possibility that Franz might be claiming to struggle with a an illness that he was never actually diagnosed with.... and I realize this wasn’t your original intent, but there’s just no way around this implication of your original suggestion, sorry!

And then you turn right back around AGAIN... and it’s suddenly perfectly acceptable for YOU to discuss Franz having PTSD, again as if it was a widely accepted fact... but ONLY when you were interested in praising Franz as,
“someone who isn’t afraid to talk about his personal struggles or to face them head-on”.
And for... “trying to help others with similar experiences by sharing information about resources available.”

So is THAT how we’re playing this game then?
We can only refer to Franz having PTSD, as fact, when someone is interested in praising his bravery, or when someone wants to sympathize or relate to his struggle with the illness.
But if someone refers to Franz having PTSD, as fact, when suggesting the possibly that it may have played some role in Ally’s murder... that’s suddenly considered “alarming”, “troubling, and “disturbing”?

What an EXCELLENT example of that irrational and hypocritical bias that I’m always talking about regarding Franz and Nikki.
And then, the fact that NO ONE on this forum even noticed it... and that I had to be the one, once again, to point this hypocritical biased crap out!
All I’m going to say at this point is it’s getting very old very fast!

 

[Combatmedic2121]

Does anyone recall if LE ever mentioned which direction they believe the white sedan was heading on Fish Lake rd??
North or south bound?

 

[Spellbound]

Combat, your post does nothing to help the investigation nor to make all of us feel supportive of your efforts. While I commend you for keeping this as a priority, a simple "I disagree" would have been more effective, don't you think? I'm sorry, but when you get so convoluted with your answers, it is harder to follow. I say this to try to help make this WS more efficient and effective, and hope you csn take it with that intent.

 

[Spellbound]

Does anyone recall if LE ever mentioned which direction they believe the white sedan was heading on Fish Lake rd??
North or south bound?

I can't recall seeing anything about it other than asking if anyone saw a white vehicle in the area around that time. No expansive details have ever been given, to my knowledge.

 

[Combatmedic2121]

I can't recall seeing anything about it other than asking if anyone saw a white vehicle in the area around that time. No expansive details have ever been given, to my knowledge.

Thanks

 

[ThinkThinkThink]

Combat, your post does nothing to help the investigation nor to make all of us feel supportive of your efforts. While I commend you for keeping this as a priority, a simple "I disagree" would have been more effective, don't you think? I'm sorry, but when you get so convoluted with your answers, it is harder to follow. I say this to try to help make this WS more efficient and effective, and hope you csn take it with that intent.

A few points to add to this:
1) When a post is "liked," it's best not to assume you know why it's liked. I like many posts for various reasons... doesn't mean I agree with everything said in them; nor should anyone be made to feel they need to call out posters on points in posts; that's up to the posters. Some people (I'm one) like to mainly let everyone have their say and absorb, reflect, ask follow-up questions if I choose to/look into some things on my own... it doesn't mean people aren't engaged, nor does it mean they aren't picking up on important aspects.
2) Yes, PTSD is a mental disorder... that's a fact. However, I could also got the gist of what "inmyhumbleopinion" was saying overall, and I appreciated the "why" of what was said.
3) Reacting emotionally to posts shows a facet of you, and posters will take into account various reasons why that may be, which is perfectly fine. You don't have to, but with less "heat" to your replies, posters may be more willing to share more thoughts/do follow-up questions and get more cold, hard facts to the forefront of this case. It's great to fight FOR Ally... but it's wasted time, IMO, to fight with posters who do care and are wanting to help get justice for her.

 

[Spellbound]

You don't have to, but with less "heat" to your replies, posters may be more willing to share more thoughts/do follow-up questions and get more cold, hard facts to the forefront of this case. It's great to fight FOR Ally... but it's wasted time, IMO, to fight with posters who do care and are wanting to help get justice for her.

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Yes, this is what I tried to impart. Thanks.

 

[JnRyan]

Does anyone recall if LE ever mentioned which direction they believe the white sedan was heading on Fish Lake rd??
North or south bound?

I don't where or how I got the impression that both the car and Alexandra were going south. Now that I try to search the news articles I realize it may have been a unfounded assumption on my part. Good question.

 

[flourish]

RunderlinedBM for focus.

First and foremost, thank you, @Combatmedic2121 for your service.

For those who may not be familiar with the “‘I see dead people’ whenever I look at road kill...” comment, and to put it in context, here is what Franz said in reply to the question, “Do you think about Vietnam today?”

“Vietnam will never go away for me. Vietnam is a daily thought and will be what I think about when I take my last breath. I can’t look at road kill because of Vietnam. I see dead people. I belong to a Vietnam support group where we talk about these things. There are many veterans who don’t know there is a lot of good help out there. All they need to do is contact a VA hospital or veterans center.” (BBM)

Meet Franz Brueger

Knowing that he served in Vietnam, personally, I don’t find the “I can’t look at roadkill” comment alarming at all, though I do find it very sad. As someone who has lived with PTSD for ten-plus years, at least for me, there are certain things, situations, people, places, scents, sounds, etc., that I must avoid because they bring back memories associated with the trauma and trigger flashbacks. I can easily see how for some people the sight of roadkill can bring back memories of Vietnam, which probably, and unfortunately, include dead people.

All of this is just my opinion and perspective based on personal experience, and I am more than happy to agree to disagree.

What I do find alarming, as well as disturbing, however, is your statement that you “say all this because it should be recognized that it is simply a fact that Franz is a mentally ill individual.” It is also troubling to me that you repeatedly refer to it as “fact.” The fact is only a licensed clinician (i.e., psychologist with a psych. Ph.D. or Psy.D., or a psychiatrist) can make that diagnosis.

What Franz’s response to Ms. Hogan’s question indicates to me personally is this is someone who isn’t afraid to talk about his personal struggles or to face them head-on (“I belong to a Vietnam support group where we talk about these things”), and is also trying to help others with similar experiences by sharing information about resources available.

I have to be honest with you... I have A LOT of questions and serious concerns regarding this post.

We’ll start here...
“What I do find alarming, as well as disturbing, however, is your statement that you “say all this because it should be recognized that it is simply a fact that Franz is a mentally ill individual”.”

Ok, so what specifically about this quote do you find so “alarming” and “disturbing” exactly? And specifically why? Because you never actually say.
Everyone who has “liked” this post, or claimed it to be “well written”... they all must be just assuming to know what your talking about and what your specifically “disturbed” and “alarmed” by, and why?

I took that to mean the poster was disturbed and alarmed that you have indicated that all the claims being made about Franz should automatically be accepted because, as you say, it's a fact that Franz has a diagnosed mental illness. I know when I read the post, I was wondering how you knew what his mental health diagnoses are. Because if it's a fact, he must have been assessed then diagnosed by a professional, and you must have access to, or been told, the results of those diagnoses. Otherwise, it's your assumption based on what you know and may or may not actually be fact. Unless, of course, you are a mental health professional who assessed and diagnosed Franz, in which case there would be a HIPAA issue

I, however, have no idea what your talking about.
Are you suggesting that you disagree with the mainstream medical consensus regarding PTSD’s classification as a mental illness/disorder? Do you disagree that those individuals struggling with a mental illness are, by definition, mentally ill?
Or do this just make you uncomfortable for some other reason?
Again, what exactly are you so “alarmed” and “disturbed” by here, and why?

Then you say...

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]“It is also troubling to me that you repeatedly refer to it as “fact.” The fact is only a licensed clinician (i.e., psychologist with a psych. Ph.D. or Psy.D., or a psychiatrist) can make that diagnosis.” [/FONT]

Now, I completely agree with the diagnosis part...
So what you are really suggesting here is that, since it cannot be confirmed Franz ever received an actual PTSD diagnosis, it should NOT be assumed as “fact” that Franz actually has PTSD and, in effect, suggesting that it may possible Franz doesn’t really have PTSD at all...

I'm not sure the issue with this part. He may experience PTSD and not be diagnosed. He may not experience PTSD and it's been ruled out clinically. He may experience it and it has been diagnosed. And he may not experience it and have been wrongfully diagnosed as having it. No one here, that we're aware, have read Franz's personal medical records, so no one here can say for a FACT whether or not he has it or has a diagnosis of it.

But then, as if your position on this issue wasn’t already confusing enough, you go on to say....
“What Franz’s response to Ms. Hogan’s question indicates to me personally is this is someone who isn’t afraid to talk about his personal struggles or to face them head-on (“I belong to a Vietnam support group where we talk about these things”), and is also trying to help others with similar experiences by sharing information about resources available.”

I wonder...
What “personal struggles” are you specifically referring to here?
What “similar experiences” are you referring to, and why would those individuals with “similar experiences” need “help” from “resources”?
What kind of “resources” might you be referring to?
You also mentioned your own personal involvement in a “Vietnam Support group”...

Personal struggles would refer to any sort of issues a person has which they don't necessarily feel comfortable discussing with others. Like symptoms of PTSD, or depression issues, or any other struggle which is of a personal nature.

Similar experiences refer to experiences that other people may have had which are similar to the ones other people had. For example, Franz may find it "helpful" to share his experiences and feelings with others who have had "similar experiences."

Resources refers to agencies and individuals who may provide services.

You actually misunderstood the poster--she was quoting Franz saying he goes to a Vietnam Support group.

Now, I notice you really went out of your way here to beat around the bush and avoid using the actual word...PTSD
However, I certainly hope you’re not suggesting that Franz does, in fact, have PTSD (a mental illness, and therefor mentally ill) because that would be... what were the words you used earlier?
That’s right... “alarming”, “troubling”, and “disturbing”!
Not to mention hypocritical and completely contradictory!

In other words, you don’t get to have your cake and eat it too:

You don’t get to start this post off CLEARLY referring to Franz as having PTSD, as if this is a widely accepted “fact”... Even relating to Franz and his “I see dead people” comment... by saying you could understand this as “someone who has lived with PTSD for ten-plus years.”

Actually, she can post whatever she wants as long as it falls within the Terms of Service of Websleuths. It's actually against the Terms of Service to tell other posters what or what not to post. I'm not sure why it's an issue for you if that poster experiences/experienced PTSD.

Then you want to turn around and chastise me...
Claiming it’s “alarming”, “troubling, and “disturbing” for me to be talking about Franz having PTSD as a “fact”.... BUT ONLY because I was talking about the possibly that his PTSD might have played some role in his daughter’s murder.
In effect, you suggested that since we cant confirm he has a diagnosis, it might be possible Franz doesn’t have PTSD at all!
Which, also In effect, you’re suggesting the possibility that Franz might be claiming to struggle with a an illness that he was never actually diagnosed with.... and I realize this wasn’t your original intent, but there’s just no way around this implication of your original suggestion, sorry!

And then you turn right back around AGAIN... and it’s suddenly perfectly acceptable for YOU to discuss Franz having PTSD, again as if it was a widely accepted fact... but ONLY when you were interested in praising Franz as,
“someone who isn’t afraid to talk about his personal struggles or to face them head-on”.
And for... “trying to help others with similar experiences by sharing information about resources available.”

So is THAT how we’re playing this game then?
We can only refer to Franz having PTSD, as fact, when someone is interested in praising his bravery, or when someone wants to sympathize or relate to his struggle with the illness.
But if someone refers to Franz having PTSD, as fact, when suggesting the possibly that it may have played some role in Ally’s murder... that’s suddenly considered “alarming”, “troubling, and “disturbing”?

What an EXCELLENT example of that irrational and hypocritical bias that I’m always talking about regarding Franz and Nikki.
And then, the fact that NO ONE on this forum even noticed it... and that I had to be the one, once again, to point this hypocritical biased crap out!
All I’m going to say at this point is it’s getting very old very fast!

Yawn. This isn't a game.

There is a "report" button on every post. When you press that button a pop-up window lets you type your complaints or concerns and then it sends your text and a link to the post to our moderators, and they can determine if the post is acceptable within terms of services, or not.

And yes, it is getting very old very fast. I cannot wait until the day I login and see "Arrest" in the thread title.

 

[bluesneakers]

Ok, so what specifically about this quote do you find so “alarming” and “disturbing” exactly? And specifically why? Because you never actually say.
Everyone who has “liked” this post, or claimed it to be “well written”... they all must be just assuming to know what your talking about and what your specifically “disturbed” and “alarmed” by, and why?

I'm one of the people who liked inmyhumbleopinion's post. For several reasons, but especially this:

What I do find alarming, as well as disturbing, however, is your statement that you “say all this because it should be recognized that it is simply a fact that Franz is a mentally ill individual.” It is also troubling to me that you repeatedly refer to it as “fact.” The fact is only a licensed clinician (i.e., psychologist with a psych. Ph.D. or Psy.D., or a psychiatrist) can make that diagnosis.

Speculation about a person's mental illness is something we see over and over here (from observers, law enforcement, friends, victims - I don't mean only in comments from ws members), when the fact is no one can who isn't qualified can make a diagnosis.

Serving in a combat zone and not being able to look at roadkill is not enough to diagnose someone with PTSD. Not even a medical professional would make a diagnosis with so little information.

 

[Hazelnutty]

FWIW, I personally use 'Like' as a way to mark my last post read in a thread. Double handy if I actually 'like' the post I'm "Liking' as a bookmark.

IMO the last two posts by our VI have showed me so very much about who he is, his temperament, self-control, and ...

Wow. Just..wow.

We're here to help in any way we can within TOS to bring justice to victims and their loved ones. Questions have to be asked .

Hoping for Ally's murderer is brought to justice very soon.

 

[bears10]

FWIW, I personally use 'Like' as a way to mark my last post read in a thread. Double handy if I actually 'like' the post I'm "Liking' as a bookmark.

IMO the last two posts by our VI have showed me so very much about who he is, his temperament, self-control, and ...

Wow. Just..wow.

We're here to help in any way we can within TOS to bring justice to victims and their loved ones. Questions have to be asked .

Hoping for Ally's murderer is brought to justice very soon.

BBM. Yep.

We are strangers who don’t know ally. Yet we still hope for justice and it’s sad to see us get disrespected over and over when we ask questions and discuss our thoughts.

 

[bears10]

This meeting has not happened yet unfortunately.
I called this new investigator (who my new point of contact) and left her a voicemail early last week.
I basically asked her to get back with me with a date and time for us to sit down and really go over everything I know from the very beginning regarding Ally’s parents and that this was going to take some time.

So then last Thursday, after she still hadn’t contacted me back yet, I texted this investigator a batch of screenshot messages regarding Franz... from Nikki, the 2 previous ex-boyfriends (Devin & Randy), and one of the ex-boyfriends mothers (Carmella). Some I’ve posted on here and some I haven’t... some of these are new and the police haven’t even seen them yet that I was aware of.

After I sent her those screenshots I simply texted her saying that All I really needed to know is that LE was aware of what I’m aware.... basically, are we even remotely on the same page here?
If we are...great! No further questions!
If we are not... we really need to sit down and go over all of this from the beginning.

The investigator replied that she was currently out of town and would be back this week.
She thanked me for the screenshots I sent her and said she was going to print them and go over them, and she would be contacting me soon so we could sit down and go over everything.
So that’s where we’re at right now....

As far as a private investigator...
I’m not exactly sure how that would even work. I mean, If LE won’t share info regarding the case with me, or anyone else, because it’s an “active homicide case”... what obligation is LE going to have to share info with some private investigators that I, or anyone else, hire?
I’m just not familiar with how any of that would even work.

CM, what’s the latest update on your meeting with the FBI? Based on the quoted post, the investigator should be back in town by now, correct? Have you gone down there to speak with them?

 

[inmyhumbleopinion]

I took that to mean the poster was disturbed and alarmed that you have indicated that all the claims being made about Franz should automatically be accepted because, as you say, it's a fact that Franz has a diagnosed mental illness. I know when I read the post, I was wondering how you knew what his mental health diagnoses are. Because if it's a fact, he must have been assessed then diagnosed by a professional, and you must have access to, or been told, the results of those diagnoses. Otherwise, it's your assumption based on what you know and may or may not actually be fact. Unless, of course, you are a mental health professional who assessed and diagnosed Franz, in which case there would be a HIPAA issue




I'm not sure the issue with this part. He may experience PTSD and not be diagnosed. He may not experience PTSD and it's been ruled out clinically. He may experience it and it has been diagnosed. And he may not experience it and have been wrongfully diagnosed as having it. No one here, that we're aware, have read Franz's personal medical records, so no one here can say for a FACT whether or not he has it or has a diagnosis of it.


Personal struggles would refer to any sort of issues a person has which they don't necessarily feel comfortable discussing with others. Like symptoms of PTSD, or depression issues, or any other struggle which is of a personal nature.

Similar experiences refer to experiences that other people may have had which are similar to the ones other people had. For example, Franz may find it "helpful" to share his experiences and feelings with others who have had "similar experiences."

Resources refers to agencies and individuals who may provide services.

You actually misunderstood the poster--she was quoting Franz saying he goes to a Vietnam Support group.



Actually, she can post whatever she wants as long as it falls within the Terms of Service of Websleuths. It's actually against the Terms of Service to tell other posters what or what not to post. I'm not sure why it's an issue for you if that poster experiences/experienced PTSD.




Yawn. This isn't a game.

There is a "report" button on every post. When you press that button a pop-up window lets you type your complaints or concerns and then it sends your text and a link to the post to our moderators, and they can determine if the post is acceptable within terms of services, or not.

And yes, it is getting very old very fast. I cannot wait until the day I login and see "Arrest" in the thread title.

Thank you so much, @flourish! I just sat down and was getting ready to reply to @Combatmedic2121 ‘s post when I saw that you had already done it for me. You read my mind .

 

[inmyhumbleopinion]

I'm one of the people who liked inmyhumbleopinion's post. For several reasons, but especially this:

Speculation about a person's mental illness is something we see over and over here (from observers, law enforcement, friends, victims - I don't mean only in comments from ws members), when the fact is no one can who isn't qualified can make a diagnosis.

Serving in a combat zone and not being able to look at roadkill is not enough to diagnose someone with PTSD. Not even a medical professional would make a diagnosis with so little information.

RBBM for focus

Thank you, @bluesneakers, for pointing this out. I should have included it in my original post.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Not quite nobody.

Depression and medication? I did post an example upthread

Margaret River massacre: Depression drug clue to grandfather’s murder of family | PerthNow
“It seems the antidepressants he had been prescribed were not working,” she said, adding that some antidepressant medication had “no warnings on the box” but came with the risk of “terrible side effects” including suicidal thoughts or thoughts of harming others.
Australia - 7 dead in mass shooting and suicide - Osmington WA - 11 May 2018

 

[Shiressleuth]

If it’s hard to follow then read it again until you figure it out.
If you cared so much about WS effectiveness and efficiency, then YOU should have noticed and pointed out the clear and obvious double standards, hypocrisy, contradicts, and biases in that post.
I actually held back for awhile, waiting for someone to notice and say something... but no one did.
So I did for you, and no, a simple “I disagree” would not have shown this double standard

If it’s hard to follow then read it again until you figure it out.
If you cared so much about WS effectiveness and efficiency, then YOU should have noticed and pointed out the clear and obvious double standards, hypocrisy, contradicts, and biases in that post.
I actually held back for awhile, waiting for someone to notice and say something... but no one did.
So I did for you, and no, a simple “I disagree” would not have shown this double standard.

Not commenting does not mean we agree with posts.

Is it fact that FB has PTSD?

IDK but hopefully LE does.

Why do you want to know direction of travel of white sedan?

Also, what direction was Ally running DWK?

 

[jiminy]

I'd argue that having a mental illness does not, by definition, make one actively mentally ill. Like many physical problems, mental disorders flare and fade. What is impossible one day may be easy a week later. With medication, some
can be controlled indefinitely. I have diagnoses myself but that does not make me permanently 'mentally ill'.