MI MI - Alexandra Brueger, 31, Fatally Shot While Jogging, Rose Twp, 30 July 2016 #2

[Shiressleuth]

Well, clicking on the link from blue, one of the first lines reads:

• Of the 12,664 murder victims in 2011 for which supplemental data were received, most (77.6 percent) were male. (Based on Expanded Homicide Data Table 1.)

I don't follow what the point is. Don't we already know this?

(ETA that link doesn't load for me so I can only go by what has been quoted in the actual post)

 

[flourish]

I am not certain how to make this more clear, but will try.

Then the TOS is wrong and should be changed. Most people who are murdered are murdered by someone they know (ie. friends/family)... are they not?
If you remove these people from the discussion you severely hinder any ability to actually help make progress in any case.

So you can see here that combatmedic states that most people who are murdered are killed by someone they know. "Most people" here would indicate all genders.

From the FBI:

• In 2011, in incidents of murder for which the relationships of murder victims and offenders were known, 54.3 percent were killed by someone they knew (acquaintance, neighbor, friend, boyfriend, etc.); 24.8 percent of victims were slain by family members. The relationship of murder victims and offenders was unknown in 44.1 percent of murder and non-negligent manslaughter incidents in 2011. (Based on Expanded Homicide Data Table 10.)
• Of the female murder victims for whom the relationships to their offenders were known, 36.5 percent were murdered by their husbands or boyfriends. (Based on Expanded Homicide Data Tables 2 and 10.)

Expanded Homicide Data

bluesneakers provided this information about the statistics regarding the relationships between killers and victims of both genders.

Yes, most people are murdered by people they know. (Last discussed on page 16 of this thread)
Am having trouble looking at all the stats as they don't seem to agree that closely, but maybe one set is state and one is national. i recall 9 out of 10 by someone they knew with 6 of those being an intimate partner.

Eta this is the link to the 2015 study I posted on page 16, so is more recent than the 2011 stats posted.

More Than 1,600 Women Murdered by Men in One Year, New Study Finds

You added this information, which discusses women murdered by men, as the link clearly states.

Interesting! Thanks for the link. However this is only women who are murdered, not "most people who are murdered are murdered by someone they know" which was the specific comment I replied to.

The study covers homicides involving one female murder victim and one male offender, and uses data from the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s Supplementary Homicide Report.

“Women killed by men are most often killed by someone they know and more than half were killed by an intimate partner,” says Legislative Director Kristen Rand. “Much more must be done to identify and implement strategies to prevent these tragedies. More resources are needed at the federal, state, and local levels to help keep women safe.”

Blue points out that her post was in response to combatmedic's assertion that most people who are murdered are murdered by people they know. Again, "most people" here refers to all genders.

So are you saying the study you quoted was male and females murdered?

Then you asked if they study she quoted referred to both genders.

Well, clicking on the link from blue, one of the first lines reads:

• Of the 12,664 murder victims in 2011 for which supplemental data were received, most (77.6 percent) were male. (Based on Expanded Homicide Data Table 1.)

I clicked her link, and provided this line to answer your question.

I don't follow what the point is. Don't we already know this?

(ETA that link doesn't load for me so I can only go by what has been quoted in the actual post)

The link is the same as blue posted upthread. The point was you asked a question, I provided you the answer and documentation of such. One assumes if you ask a question, you don't actually already know the answer.

You're welcome.

 

[bluesneakers]

So are you saying the study you quoted was male and females murdered?

I posted what I got from the FBI. They keep annual crime statistics for ALL crimes and ALL victims - they can then separate it into sub-categories by age, gender, race, etc.

You can see from the quote I included the FBI report gave numbers for both males and females:

In 2011, in incidents of murder for which the relationships of murder victims and offenders were known, 54.3 percent were killed by someone they knew (acquaintance, neighbor, friend, boyfriend, etc.); 24.8 percent of victims were slain by family members. The relationship of murder victims and offenders was unknown in 44.1 percent of murder and non-negligent manslaughter incidents in 2011.

The FBI report also gave statistics for female victims. I included this in my comment as well:

Of the female murder victims for whom the relationships to their offenders were known, 36.5 percent were murdered by their husbands or boyfriends.

I posted the FBI statistics in response to a comment asking if most murders were committed by someone known to the victim.

You can click on the link I posted or you can search around the FBI's website for more information and statistics.

 

[bluesneakers]

I don't follow what the point is. Don't we already know this?

(ETA that link doesn't load for me so I can only go by what has been quoted in the actual post)

I posted it in response to a question from someone so no, we didn't all already know this.

 

[bluesneakers]

The link is the same as blue posted upthread. The point was you asked a question, I provided you the answer and documentation of such. One assumes if you ask a question, you don't actually already know the answer.

You're welcome.

rsbm:
Remember that time I said I would read ahead before responding? Somehow I still manage to forget.

 

[flourish]

No worries, my friend. I feel like I've been doing this all day:

rsbm:
Remember that time I said I would read ahead before responding? Somehow I still manage to forget.

 

[SeesSeas]

@Combatmedic2121 any updates on the meeting with the FBI? Your previous posts indicated you would be meeting with them this week.

I don't find where Combatmedic2121 posted that he would be meeting with the FBI this week.
This is what Combatmedic2121 posted on July 4 (last Wednesday) -
"The investigator" "would be back this week" "and she would be contacting me soon".
Here is the post:

The investigator replied that she was currently out of town and would be back this week.
She thanked me for the screenshots I sent her and said she was going to print them and go over them, and she would be contacting me soon so we could sit down and go over everything.
So that’s where we’re at right now....

 

[bears10]

I don't find where Combatmedic2121 posted that he would be meeting with the FBI this week.
This is what Combatmedic2121 posted on July 4 (last Wednesday) -
"The investigator" "would be back this week" "and she would be contacting me soon".
Here is the post:

I am heartly sorry, seesseas. Allow me to correct myself.

The FBI agent is now back in town. Why hasn’t she (to our knowledge, since wes has dodged all of the questions regarding it) contacted Wes for a meeting to discuss the crucial information he has? Is it because 1) the communication with this FBI agent never happened 2) the FBI does not find Wes’s information useful to the investigation 3) the FBI doesn’t care about solving a murder case

I could go on and on, but I think you get the gist.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Did the FBI contact you or vice versa? Wouldn’t it be really easy for them to verify if Franz has left the country, to verify or discredit their concerns regarding his whereabouts?

They contacted me and my family. And YES, it would be very easy to discredit my concerns about Franz leaving the country.... but they have yet to deny those concerns.

ALL we’ve been told this far is “we have agents in Germany and if we need to bring him back to the country.... we will!”

So take that quote however you want... again, I need more time to talk with them to verify this and other information.

Above quotes posted for focus

According to CM, the FBI contacted him and his family. I imagine they were contacted for questioning. I can't see the FBI giving any suspects in this case information on an ongoing investigation.

All just my opinion.

 

[Hazelnutty]

I hope @Combatmedic2121 gets that meeting soon. Ally needs justice & hopefully this meeting will spur some action.

 

[always reading]

I hope @Combatmedic2121 gets that meeting soon. Ally needs justice & hopefully this meeting will spur some action.

I wouldn't hold my breath.

 

[Spellbound]

I know I can be harsh, sarcastic, or “mouthy” (as Franz would say). Ally and I were honestly a lot alike in that way.

Were you known to have heated arguments? Were you "harsh, sarcastic, and mouthy" with each other?


June 24:

Just an FYI...
It appears as if there’s possibly a new investigative team working on Ally’s case... it also appears as if the FBI are now heavily involved.

So Why the FBI? Well... I have reasons to believe Franz fled to Germany after the CWD interview where I claimed that i suspected him. They seem to have questions regarding his current whereabouts.
I plan on meeting with them next week to discuss my theory of Franz’s possible involvement in Ally’s case and why he might have felt pressure to run.
I’m fully aware many of you are desperate for answers and disagreed with my theory in the past. However, Any info I feel comfortable sharing after I meet with them next week... I certainly will.

"new investigating team, FBI involvement, you planned to meet with them the following week. "
How do you know FBI is involved? Was this confirmed through a police department?

On June 25, you said they (FBI? Investigative person?) contacted you AND YOUR FAMILY. Why would they be wanting to contact your family?


July 4
UNSOLVED - Mi - Alexandra Brueger, 31, Fatally Shot While Jogging, Rose Twp, 30 July 2016 #2

This meeting has not happened yet unfortunately.
I called this new investigator (who my new point of contact) and left her a voicemail early last week.
I basically asked her to get back with me with a date and time for us to sit down and really go over everything I know from the very beginning regarding Ally’s parents and that this was going to take some time.

So then last Thursday, after she still hadn’t contacted me back yet, I texted this investigator a batch of screenshot messages regarding Franz... from Nikki, the 2 previous ex-boyfriends (Devin & Randy), and one of the ex-boyfriends mothers (Carmella). Some I’ve posted on here and some I haven’t... some of these are new and the police haven’t even seen them yet that I was aware of.

After I sent her those screenshots I simply texted her saying that All I really needed to know is that LE was aware of what I’m aware.... basically, are we even remotely on the same page here?
If we are...great! No further questions!
If we are not... we really need to sit down and go over all of this from the beginning.

The investigator replied that she was currently out of town and would be back this week.
She thanked me for the screenshots I sent her and said she was going to print them and go over them, and she would be contacting me soon so we could sit down and go over everything.
So that’s where we’re at right now....

As far as a private investigator...
I’m not exactly sure how that would even work. I mean, If LE won’t share info regarding the case with me, or anyone else, because it’s an “active homicide case”... what obligation is LE going to have to share info with some private investigators that I, or anyone else, hire?
I’m just not familiar with how any of that would even work. [July 4, 2018]

You say you left a voice mail with investigator "last week" for a date/time to meet, then texted screenshots from various people to them. Then you also texted to them: All I really needed to know is that LE was aware of what I’m aware.... if not, you want to sit down with them. According to your post, the investigator was out of town for the week and would be back "this week".

Another week has gone by with no face-to-face meeting. If I were you and felt this was of utmost importance, I would be pestering them every day until they set up this meeting. Just a suggestion. It has been FOUR WEEKS (this coming Sunday) since you first told us about the possible meeting.


As for you statement that you suspicion of Franz is based on the possibility that Franz " went to Germany to visit relatives" shortly after the CWD show. You felt he was "running or planning to run". UNSOLVED - Mi - Alexandra Brueger, 31, Fatally Shot While Jogging, Rose Twp, 30 July 2016 #2
Do you still believe this to be true?


Lastly, posters have asked you several questions that you have not answered yet. I am going to copy/past what I can easily find so they are more convenient for you. If you would be so helpful as to answer these, it will be appreciated.

--I'm curious if you know what efforts police may have made in trying to verify your alibi? if i recall right you were at home alone sleeping between shifts. did they look at your phone activity, online activity, or consider if any neighbors might have had cameras that would show if you had left/returned?

--CM, what’s the latest update on your meeting with the FBI? (This has been asked several times)

--what direction was Ally running at the time of the shooting?

-- What is your recollection about Ally's use of her phone when running? Did you know her to always take it with her, rain or shine? Or no? Other than as a means of contacting others, did she use it as a tool/for information (in any way) while running?

-- Did she mention to you any problems she had encountered on her parent's home running route recently (i.e., motorists, neighbors, passerbys, etc.)? Actually, what -- if anything -- did she ever mention about that running route?

-- How about in the past? Any comments she made about any hassles or stressors with anyone while she was running? If so, what? And how did she handle them?

Thank you in advance for any additional info you can share.

 

[bears10]

Above quotes posted for focus

According to CM, the FBI contacted him and his family. I imagine they were contacted for questioning. I can't see the FBI giving any suspects in this case information on an ongoing investigation.

All just my opinion.

And again. Why would they need to talk to wes to verify franzs whereabouts. It makes zero sense to me. I personally think if the FBI contacted Wes at all, it’s not to discuss franz. JMO and all that

 

[flourish]

On a side note!
I want to say I honestly appreciate the attention this thread and Ally’s case has been receiving. The more eyes on this case the better! I’ve had multiple posters message me privately with useful info regarding Franz. Info I wouldn’t have obtained otherwise. Thank you!

I know I can be harsh, sarcastic, or “mouthy” (as Franz would say). Ally and I were honestly a lot alike in that way. We were tough mentally and verbally, but never with each other! And Ally was even tougher and more sarcastic than I am!

RSBM

Who did Franz call, "mouthy," and did you hear him or were you told that? Did he call you mouthy?
Thanks

 

[Jerrod]

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[flourish]

And again. Why would they need to talk to wes to verify franzs whereabouts. It makes zero sense to me. I personally think if the FBI contacted Wes at all, it’s not to discuss franz. JMO and all that

Yes, why indeed would they ask someone who only met Franz a handful of times instead of, say, his and/Nikkie's friends, family, acquaintances, colleagues, and/or neighbors?

 

[flourish]

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I realize that, what I'm asking is, as he referred to "mouthy" as what "Franz would say," whether he bases his opinion that Franz would say that on experience hearing it with his own ears, or if someone quoted Franz to him. Additionally, I am curious about who Franz was referring to as "mouthy."

 

[bears10]

Yes, why indeed would they ask someone who only met Franz a handful of times instead of, say, his and/Nikkie's friends, family, acquaintances, colleagues, and/or neighbors?

Or perhaps, use their investigative techniques to find out his whereabouts. They’re only the FBI /s

 

[Shiressleuth]

TY Flourish and Blue for going to such lengths explaining. I apologise and didn't realise the first para was all genders and the second one was just females and wasn't able to access the link to read more. Thinking it was referring to females I went back and could not (and still cannot) get the figures to make sense with the 2015 data, which is a higher percentage killed by people they know. As this case is a female who was murdered, that is what I am concerned with and appreciate you were answering the "people" question.

Eta this is what confused me I think (it doesn't take much), the use of the word boyfriend in the first para shown below:

"In 2011, in incidents of murder for which the relationships of murder victims and offenders were known, 54.3 percent were killed by someone they knew (acquaintance, neighbor, friend, BOYFRIEND, etc.); 24.8 percent of victims were slain by family members. The relationship of murder victims and offenders was unknown in 44.1 percent of murder and non-negligent manslaughter incidents in 2011. (Based on Expanded....."

 

[Shiressleuth]

Is this hearsay we are discussing?

Here I go again trying to catch up.

I realize that, what I'm asking is, as he referred to "mouthy" as what "Franz would say," whether he bases his opinion that Franz would say that on experience hearing it with his own ears, or if someone quoted Franz to him. Additionally, I am curious about who Franz was referring to as "mouthy."

I don't want to get involved in the discussion if it is.