MI - Bianca Jones, 2, Detroit, 2 Dec 2011 - #4 - *D. Lane guilty*

[BetteDavisEyes]

Since I don't know very much about incinerators... I have a picture in my head of a large incinerator at a building plant...

And I can't imagine people from the community just walking up to an incinerator and putting trash in it...

It seems like incinerators would be monitored for amount placed in it, types of material (no flammables ), etc.

But this is all just my opinion based on very little facts,

JMO

Some communities don't allow any type of incineration or outdoor burning. This was the case in the city where we lived for 19 years. Citations could be issued for leaf burning, outdoor fireplaces, bonfires, etc. if neighbors complained about the odor or smoke.

In the community where we live now, outdoor burning is not prohibited, although our subdivision and others with homeowner associations don't permit any type of outdoor burning.

There is a senior citizen rehab/assisted living/Alzheimer's facility adjacent to our street (behind our house and beyond a dense wooded area) that has an incinerator. During the warmer months when we might leave our bedroom window open at night, we can hear a "churning" sound from the incinerator in the wee hours a couple of times weekly. I try not to think of what might be in that incinerator

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I wonder how long the jury will be out? There isn't really that much evidence for them to review. I guess it will depend on how the initial vote went. Hopefully they will do a better job at jury duty than the Pinellas <modsnip> in the Caylee Anthony trial.

Praying for a guilty verdict!

lease:

I agree!

and....:welcome2: Princesssezme!

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Morning reports on WWJ radio indicated that deliberations would continue at 9:30. It sounds like the jury heard their instructions yesterday, went to the jury room, and perhaps decided to wait until morning to actually begin discussions of the case. :moo:

I ran all of my usual Thursday errands and will be on verdict watch for the rest of the day. WDIV will likely send an email alert when a verdict has been reached.

lease: Justice for Bianca lease:

Thank you Sooo much, BDE, for keeping us updated on little Bianca!

:gthanks:

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Some communities don't allow any type of incineration or outdoor burning. This was the case in the city where we lived for 19 years. Citations could be issued for leaf burning, outdoor fireplaces, bonfires, etc. if neighbors complained about the odor or smoke.

In the community where we live now, outdoor burning is not prohibited, although our subdivision and others with homeowner associations don't permit any type of outdoor burning.

There is a senior citizen rehab/assisted living/Alzheimer's facility adjacent to our street (behind our house and beyond a dense wooded area) that has an incinerator. During the warmer months when we might leave our bedroom window open at night, we can hear a "churning" sound from the incinerator in the wee hours a couple of times weekly. I try not to think of what might be in that incinerator

sorry... But they remind me of a crematorium we see from our,freeway...
when,the tower has a flame in it... I think it is "doing its job"...:what:

It is interesting how there are different rules re incinerators/burning/etc.... In the various locales...

and how,the,laws have changed throughout,the years...

sorry about messy iPad typing... I,have given up fighting with King iPad!

 

[Cubby]

There is a photo of the city incinerator at the link I added in post #955 above. It's huge. It looks like a smoke stack from the industrial era.....

Just so readers can get an idea of the incinerator the journalist might have been thinking about, I'd recommend looking at the photo.

I don't think DL actually burnt her remains himself. Nor do I necessarily think he had access to a building of some sort, other than the city incinerator, which would allow him direct access to an incinerator to have placed her remains there himself.

It's also possible the journalist came to the conclusion Bianca's remains were in an incinderator based on the prosecutions statement he threw her away like trash. 'Like trash' doesn't necessarily mean 'with the trash'.

I recall LE stating they did not believe Bianca's remains were recoverable, but I do not recall any statement as to why they believe they were not recoverable. I think many of us assumed she was placed in the Detroit River due to survelliance spotting DL by Wayne Community College.

I HOPE that the investigation included seperating the trash which was picked up the morning of Bianca's disappearance. I realize Detroit is an enormous city, however we're talking trash collection consisting of a few hours in a single morning. IF we are to believe Bianca was not disposed of prior to DL taking her with him the morning of the 2nd and we have no reason to believe he disposed of her at any other time.

I hope the trash was seperated and searched and just not made public because it would impede recovery of Bianca's remains... perhaps that info was not made public so DL could reveal her location? I will be livid if no trash picked up that morning was seperated and searched.

 

[Cubby]

Welcome to WS PrincessSezMe! :welcome:

Thank you for your interest in Bianca's case!

 

[Cubby]

Not that I think DL is innocent. I do not. I fully believe he is guilty, but it doesn't matter what I think because I'm not sitting on the jury.

I'm curious if anyone following the case here has given any thought as to where the jurors might find reasonable doubt in this case.

I have and two things come to mind. the cadaver dog apparently not hitting on the bed? IIRC. Reporting is spotty so I am uncertain whether or not the cadaver hit in a bed.

The home is old so I can reasonably conclude it is possible someone died in the home, which might account for the decomp in the closet. Ok, dumb question. Do bodies which have been embalmed still get a hit from a cadaver dog? What if someone from a funeral or wake put their clothing in the closet after say hugging or leaning over and kissing a body at a funeral. Ya, people do that....

And the car. Who owned it previously? Was it purchased new or used? If used how would anyone know it wasn't part of an unsolved crime previously? Maybe far fetched but it crossed my mind.

Sadly I am not as confident in a guilty verdict post trial as I was pre trial after the preliminary hearing.

Still praying this jury gets it right and praying little Bianca's remains are recovered.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Detroit is a maze of streets that have alleys. Trash bins are stored outdoors in these alleys until pick-up day. If you've ever seen photos of really bad neighborhoods in the city, you might have noticed piles of garbage that haven't been collected in a while along with an abundance of rodents. City services are slow even when neighbors call to complain, and there might not even be weekly collections due to funding issues.

D'Andre covered a lot of territory on the morning that Bianca "disappeared" as he drove from the house where he was staying on Mitchell Street to the downtown campus of WCCC. There were probably dozens of commercial dumpsters along his route where DL could have disposed of Bianca's remains. And then, there's the Detroit River that's always a possibility... :moo:

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

"...I'm curious if anyone following the case here has given any thought as to where the jurors might find reasonable doubt in this case..."

I've been reading the comments that follow the media reports on the deliberations and notice that many responses exhibit concern about there not being a body: How can anyone be certain that Bianca is dead without her remains? Those of us who regularly follow these cases are likely to have a high regard for forensic evidence, but those who don't know much about it might be skeptical. :moo:

 

[Cubby]

With 45 miutes of unaccounted time, how far out of the search area could DL have gotten and been back where he was found after he reported to Banika's family Bianca was missing?

How much ground can one cover in 45 minutes in am traffic? And do we know exactly what 45 minutes that was?

I know there isn't too many round trips that can be made in the suburbs of Chicago in the am. So thinking along the lines of what kind of round trip DL could have made that morning.....

I'd have to guess disposing of the remains, even in a dumpster unless DL specifically know trash pick up was within minutes of his disposing of Bianca's remains, would be riskier in a dumpster than weighted and in the river.

Oh how I wish she would be found. and I hope the jury get's it right. Shame on me for wanting her to be found now to prove her mothers support of DL wrong.

 

[PrincessSezMe]

Not that I think DL is innocent. I do not. I fully believe he is guilty, but it doesn't matter what I think because I'm not sitting on the jury.

I'm curious if anyone following the case here has given any thought as to where the jurors might find reasonable doubt in this case.

I have and two things come to mind. the cadaver dog apparently not hitting on the bed? IIRC. Reporting is spotty so I am uncertain whether or not the cadaver hit in a bed.

The home is old so I can reasonably conclude it is possible someone died in the home, which might account for the decomp in the closet. Ok, dumb question. Do bodies which have been embalmed still get a hit from a cadaver dog? What if someone from a funeral or wake put their clothing in the closet after say hugging or leaning over and kissing a body at a funeral. Ya, people do that....

And the car. Who owned it previously? Was it purchased new or used? If used how would anyone know it wasn't part of an unsolved crime previously? Maybe far fetched but it crossed my mind.

Sadly I am not as confident in a guilty verdict post trial as I was pre trial after the preliminary hearing.

Still praying this jury gets it right and praying little Bianca's remains are recovered.

Firstly I would like to thank the posters here for the warm welcome. I think I'm going to like it here :blushing:

I think BDE has a point about the lack of a body and reasonable doubt. I'm hoping this jury can see past that though, to the history of this man and how he disciplined children :furious: After all, there have been other convictions without a body, although prosecutors face a very uphill battle. One case in point is the conviction of Katherine Rutan in the murder of her six year old son Logan Tucker. The jury only deliberated two hours on that one.

I also think the biological mother's support might sway the jury. It's hard for some to believe that a mother would choose a man over their own child.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

There is a photo of the city incinerator at the link I added in post #955 above. It's huge. It looks like a smoke stack from the industrial era.....

Just so readers can get an idea of the incinerator the journalist might have been thinking about, I'd recommend looking at the photo.

I don't think DL actually burnt her remains himself. Nor do I necessarily think he had access to a building of some sort, other than the city incinerator, which would allow him direct access to an incinerator to have placed her remains there himself.

It's also possible the journalist came to the conclusion Bianca's remains were in an incinderator based on the prosecutions statement he threw her away like trash. 'Like trash' doesn't necessarily mean 'with the trash'.

I recall LE stating they did not believe Bianca's remains were recoverable, but I do not recall any statement as to why they believe they were not recoverable. I think many of us assumed she was placed in the Detroit River due to survelliance spotting DL by Wayne Community College.

I HOPE that the investigation included seperating the trash which was picked up the morning of Bianca's disappearance. I realize Detroit is an enormous city, however we're talking trash collection consisting of a few hours in a single morning. IF we are to believe Bianca was not disposed of prior to DL taking her with him the morning of the 2nd and we have no reason to believe he disposed of her at any other time.

I hope the trash was seperated and searched and just not made public because it would impede recovery of Bianca's remains... perhaps that info was not made public so DL could reveal her location? I will be livid if no trash picked up that morning was seperated and searched.

So trash... Thrown out with trash.... Burned in incinerator may all be semantics...

and thanks for the pic above!

Yep... Hope they did separate trash that day... But I wonder if that always occurs in missing people cases...?

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Not that I think DL is innocent. I do not. I fully believe he is guilty, but it doesn't matter what I think because I'm not sitting on the jury.

I'm curious if anyone following the case here has given any thought as to where the jurors might find reasonable doubt in this case.

I have and two things come to mind. the cadaver dog apparently not hitting on the bed? IIRC. Reporting is spotty so I am uncertain whether or not the cadaver hit in a bed.

The home is old so I can reasonably conclude it is possible someone died in the home, which might account for the decomp in the closet. Ok, dumb question. Do bodies which have been embalmed still get a hit from a cadaver dog? What if someone from a funeral or wake put their clothing in the closet after say hugging or leaning over and kissing a body at a funeral. Ya, people do that....

And the car. Who owned it previously? Was it purchased new or used? If used how would anyone know it wasn't part of an unsolved crime previously? Maybe far fetched but it crossed my mind.

Sadly I am not as confident in a guilty verdict post trial as I was pre trial after the preliminary hearing.

Still praying this jury gets it right and praying little Bianca's remains are recovered.

Jeez... You are good, Cubby!

I am going on blind faith that the jury will see the horns and devil eyes thru the slobbery crocodile tears on DL...lease::jail:

Your questions are good...

and I hope an answer comes TODAY!

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

No word on a verdict yet. WDIV news is coming up at 4:00 so maybe there will be an update on the jury's progress. I wonder how long they plan to deliberate today if they started at 9:30 this morning? Of course, many verdicts seem to come on Friday, so maybe we'll have to wait until tomorrow.

 

[TheDuchess]

Please dear Lord, guide these jurors hearts and minds to see the truth....justice for Bianca.

 

[Cubby]

So trash... Thrown out with trash.... Burned in incinerator may all be semantics...

and thanks for the pic above!

Yep... Hope they did separate trash that day... But I wonder if that always occurs in missing people cases...?

BBM. I would like to think it does when LE has an narrow time frame in which the body could have been disposed. Whether Bianca was alive when she left with her father that morning, there is still a very small window when she went missing. Just a few short hours. My guess would be LE would be less inclined to seperate trash if it were believed a person had been missing days or weeks before being reported than the small window we have here where Bianca was discarded.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

No mention of the jury deliberations on the 4:00 news on WDIV. They covered other local headlines, national reports, then moved on to weather. I doubt that the jury has reached a verdict, and they are probably going to head home shortly.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

BBM. I would like to think it does when LE has an narrow time frame in which the body could have been disposed. Whether Bianca was alive when she left with her father that morning, there is still a very small window when she went missing. Just a few short hours. My guess would be LE would be less inclined to seperate trash if it were believed a person had been missing days or weeks before being reported than the small window we have here where Bianca was discarded.

Didn't D'Andre drop one of the children off at school in Highland Park? That would involve a different PD and city services (probably in worse straits than Detroit). DL was probably familiar with the area and knew where there were dumpsters near the school or local businesses. I don't recall searches in Highland Park, but that's another possibility.

 

[Cubby]

More thinking outloud..... I suppose it is possible the cadaver dog did not hit on the bed because Bianca was not deceased long enough while still in the bed. It's possible he hid her decomposed body in the closet for several hours while he came up with his plan.


I really really wish we would have heard as much on this trial as we did in Drew Peterson's. This is my first start to finish 'no body' case. I was hoping to learn much more than I did by way of what was reported. So much the public does not know with regards to what the jury heard.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Fate of Detroit father charged with killing daughter now in jury's hands

D'Andre Lane accused of killing 2-year-old Bianca Jones; Toddler's body has never been found

Published On: Oct 11 2012 08:37:51 AM EDT Updated On: Oct 11 2012 04:50:14 PM EDT

DETROIT -
The fate of a Detroit father charged with killing his 2-year-old daughter is now in the hands of a jury.

The jury deliberated on Thursday and went home for the day about 4:30 p.m.

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...ands/-/1719418/16944490/-/4j3ppi/-/index.html