GUILTY MI - Carnel Chamberlain, 4, Mount Pleasant, 21 June 2012 #1

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And honestly I hope that the opinions expressed by HER OWN FAMILY mean much more to her than us "strangers" on the Internet. I hope she can break the cycle...albeit far too late for Carnel...maybe for another child...

I hear you :grouphug:
 
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I hope we can finally stop speculating about Jaimie being held hostage by a crazed boyfriend, and working hard to scrimp and save so she can run away from her abuser. Looks like that was not the situation at all.

I am so sorry Sweet.Carnel.Beautiful.Boy. We all failed you in the end. Rest in Peace Sweet boy. :rose:
 
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Why isn't there any news about the hearing today?
 
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Bond denied brb with link
 
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I hope we can finally stop speculating about Jaimie being held hostage by a crazed boyfriend, and working hard to scrimp and save so she can run away from her abuser. Looks like that was not the situation at all.

I am so sorry Sweet.Carnel.Beautiful.Boy. We all failed you in the end. Rest in Peace Sweet boy. :rose:

Katy I've been looking for posts, comments, snippets, basically anything which alludes to JC being afraid of or abused by AB. I've found nothing to substantiate that view.
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Video at link, also read the comments from Jaimee's brother.
 
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http://www.themorningsun.com/articl...15/anthony-bennett-denied-bail-in-carnel-case

BAY CITY – A federal magistrate judge denied bond to Anthony Bennett Tuesday, saying the man accused of assaulting 4-year-old Carnel Chamberlain was too dangerous to be set free.

“The defendant has never complied with court-ordered conditions set on him,” said Magistrate Judge Charles Binder in ordering Bennett back to jail.
 
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BAY CITY – A federal magistrate judge denied bond to Anthony Bennett Tuesday, saying the man accused of assaulting 4-year-old Carnel Chamberlain was too dangerous to be set free.

“The defendant has never complied with court-ordered conditions set on him,” said Magistrate Judge Charles Binder in ordering Bennett back to jail.

http://www.themorningsun.com/articl...15/anthony-bennett-denied-bail-in-carnel-case
There was no doubt in my mind he would not get bail. I forgot, he was released from previous probation "Unsatisfactorily".
 
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http://www.themorningsun.com/articl...15/anthony-bennett-denied-bail-in-carnel-case

BAY CITY – A federal magistrate judge denied bond to Anthony Bennett Tuesday, saying the man accused of assaulting 4-year-old Carnel Chamberlain was too dangerous to be set free.

“The defendant has never complied with court-ordered conditions set on him,” said Magistrate Judge Charles Binder in ordering Bennett back to jail.

THANK GOODNESS. I was about to blow a gasket for awhile there. I couldn't imagine they were going to let him bond out. But I was worried because it was just the assault and not the more serious murder charges that he is facing.

I am sure the judge also considered the suspect's safety. I don't think he would last too long out on the rez right now. He'd better watch his back in jail as well. Too bad he couldn't share a cell with Carnel's father for a night or so.
 
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Did we ever figure out where the source of the fire was? Fireplace indoors? Or outdoors?

Did the neighbors really smell the burning of the body? OMG. That is despicable.
 
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I am starting to feel sorry for AB's mother. Here is the 'support' FB she made for her son. It angered me at first, but after reading it for awhile, I realized that she really believed he was innocent. Maybe it was the ultimate in denial.
I have a son his age, and I cannot even imagine having to even consider that my son could have killed a child.

Anyway she seems to have almost accepted it now and it is really sad.

Interesring too that she mentions that 'fake weed' chit and how bad it is for you. I wonder if these kids were smoking that? He might have been since he was probably on
probation.

Also, she is getting her college degree in Criminal Justice. Sadly ironic now.
ETA: It looks like she was getting her degree to work in the local prison. wow

https://www.facebook.com/mt.pleasantghetto
 
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I wonder if they were able to determine cause of death for Carnel. Have we heard?
 
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I wonder if they were able to determine cause of death for Carnel. Have we heard?

That recent article said he was so 'badly burned he was unidentifiable.' So I wonder if they were even able to determine a COD. Makes me wonder what the killer was trying so hard to hide.
 
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That recent article said he was so 'badly burned he was unidentifiable.' So I wonder if they were even able to determine a COD. Makes me wonder what the killer was trying so hard to hide.

I think the idiot thought the little body would turn into ashes in 3 minutes. It infuriates me, and you know my friend I don't get too riled up with ease.
 
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Yes, and yes. There are others here who can speak to this with more authority, but generally the claim (backed up by pretty comprehensive evidence from psychologists, sociologists, etc) is that the First Nations genocides began as large-scale physical annihilations (Indian Wars, smallpox in blankets) and then became the deliberate destruction of language, culture and family and social relationship structures (again, this is very well documented and formed the cornerstone of other 20th-century genocidal programs as well, from the Nazis to the Balkans to Rwanda and now Syria).

Suddenly, peoples and societies that had been self-sufficient, highly sophisticated in terms of language, culture, land management and trade, became isolated and dependent, rudderless and powerless, and lacked the old cultural frameworks from which to heal and move forward (again, all sorts of specific examples, the residential schools and forced adoptions in Canada are some). Addiction, violence, suicide and other social ills skyrocketed -- on some of the rezs in Manitoba and Ontario today, addiction rates to opiates can top 80% -- and relative isolation and lack of access to social services meant that these problems tended to be harder to fix, because they became normalized through their wide incidence and filtered through VERY complicated relationships between families, clans, band councils and so on.

So that's part of what he's saying. It may well be the case that now this tribe (as many locals have said) is economically healthy and forward-looking and well-managed, with decent resources for coping with things like DV -- but it, like native peoples in NA generally, must cope with a long history in which addiction and violence became entrenched and normalized -- meaning that responses to it are not necessarily the same as in places/among groups where these problems are relatively scarce and can be dealt with decisively.

He's pretty clear that he isn't defending JC -- but there is an important and longstanding context for her behaviour (as described by her) that has real bearing on the case, both as a barometer for the health of a people and as partial explanation as to WHY what happened might have happened. I think it's fine and reasonable to note that a great wrong has been done, but also be interested in understanding (in this case) what the particular context was for that wrong.

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Very well stated, scapa.

There is a factor called Historical Trauma that is at the core. When you have ancestors who were forced marched on The Trail of Tears or The Long Walk, ancestors slaughtered at The Wounded Knee Massacre or Sand Creek Massacre, The Fall Creek Massacre or The Massacre at Ywahoo Falls there are few pictures of Ancestors in family poses. Instead there are photos like the one of Spotted Elk: WARNING GRAPHIC
220px-DeadBigfoot.jpg


and the mass graves that included infants:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Woundedknee1891.jpg/300px-Woundedknee1891.jpg

We don't have the 'American Gothic' paintings, we have military slogans like:

Kill the Indian to save the man over the main door at The Carlisle School and "Kill them big and small," Chivington reportedly said, "nits become lice" at The Sand Creek Massacre. He was speaking of Indian infants. Their skulls were bashed in with rifle butts.

This is what KC was referring to; I applaud him for his words, for keeping it real. The rez is not Disneyland, no matter how much percap there is. The sorrow in one's heart, because you know that your Ancestors were murdered or kept in inhumane conditions because of a genocide perpetrated upon them, never leaves you. No one is Indian on their skin, they are Indian in their heart and in their collective memory and the historical trauma.

That is something that either you know, or you have no comprehension of it. THAT is what I have been saying from my first post on this thread. I have never met nor probably will ever meet Jaimee but, in blood, we are sisters. I have compassion for her, I have empathy for her.

I don't see a horrible flawed woman, I see a woman who was in over her head and who will grieve for the rest of her days.


http://historicaltrauma.com/
 
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Very well stated, scapa.

There is a factor called Historical Trauma that is at the core. When you have ancestors who were forced marched on The Trail of Tears or The Long Walk, ancestors slaughtered at The Wounded Knee Massacre or Sand Creek Massacre, The Fall Creek Massacre or The Massacre at Ywahoo Falls there are few pictures of Ancestors in family poses. Instead there are photos like the one of Spotted Elk: WARNING GRAPHIC
220px-DeadBigfoot.jpg


and the mass graves that included infants:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Woundedknee1891.jpg/300px-Woundedknee1891.jpg

We don't have the 'American Gothic' paintings, we have military slogans like:

Kill the Indian to save the man over the main door at The Carlisle School and "Kill them big and small," Chivington reportedly said, "nits become lice" at The Sand Creek Massacre. He was speaking of Indian infants. Their skulls were bashed in with rifle butts.

This is what KC was referring to; I applaud him for his words, for keeping it real. The rez is not Disneyland, no matter how much percap there is. The sorrow in one's heart, because you know that your Ancestors were murdered or kept in inhumane conditions because of a genocide perpetrated upon them, never leaves you. No one is Indian on their skin, they are Indian in their heart and in their collective memory and the historical trauma.

That is something that either you know, or you have no comprehension of it. THAT is what I have been saying from my first post on this thread. I have never met nor probably will ever meet Jaimee but, in blood, we are sisters. I have compassion for her, I have empathy for her.

I don't see a horrible flawed woman, I see a woman who was in over her head and who will grieve for the rest of her days.


http://historicaltrauma.com/

:hug: The light within me honors the light within you. Namaste sister.
 
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How come he has not been charged with murder?

The autopsy is not complete; there will be further charges. As I said earlier in the thread [WARNING GRAPHIC]...

If there is dirt, soot or Carnel's lungs are seered , then the charge is the most severe because it shows Carnel was alive when he was set on fire or buried. :(
 
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Did we ever figure out where the source of the fire was? Fireplace indoors? Or outdoors?

Did the neighbors really smell the burning of the body? OMG. That is despicable.

http://www.upnorthlive.com/news/story.aspx?id=771273#.T_NxNZEw_eU

See the attached video. Contractor speaks at about 1:12. Shaking my head, if it smelled weird (like flesh for gosh sakes) why didn't they call tribal police? I know, if only ....

I believe you can see the stovepipe on the house, while the Aunt is being interviewed
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I am starting to feel sorry for AB's mother. Here is the 'support' FB she made for her son. It angered me at first, but after reading it for awhile, I realized that she really believed he was innocent. Maybe it was the ultimate in denial.
I have a son his age, and I cannot even imagine having to even consider that my son could have killed a child.

Anyway she seems to have almost accepted it now and it is really sad.

Interesring too that she mentions that 'fake weed' chit and how bad it is for you. I wonder if these kids were smoking that? He might have been since he was probably on
probation.

Also, she is getting her college degree in Criminal Justice. Sadly ironic now.
ETA: It looks like she was getting her degree to work in the local prison. wow

I had a twinge for her also. But I would never have created a page like that on facebook. :what:
 
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