GUILTY MI - Carnel Chamberlain, 4, Mount Pleasant, 21 June 2012 #1

[mahoolin]

This article sealed it for me the mother should charged with failing to protect.

http://www.freep.com/article/20120629/NEWS06/120629002/Missing-Boy-Found-Dead-Carnel-Chamberlain-Saginaw-Chippewa-Indian-Tribe-Mt-Pleasant?odyssey=obinsite

She witnessed him picking her son up by his neck. She was aware of him abusing her child. I feel so awful for the rest of her family. No excuse for still letting a man watch your child after you witness him picking him up by his neck. Not one.

I agree. I knew when I was a very young babysitter that was inappropriate treatment of a child. Some have stated she might not be the brightest, but if she is capable of holding down a job, she knows right from wrong. I stand by my earlier statement she put her own wants and needs first. Wrong decision unfortunately.

 

[laniefi]

I hope she was trying to escape with her son! It is hard, you can't just go to family or friends. Cripe that is the first place he would look! The only way to get away safely is to have enough money to disappear! Then think about it, where would you go, where would you live, how would you eat?
I have walked in those same shoes and you are trapped.

When she came home from work and he asked her do you love me, she knew she had to say yes and she knew something happened. Just him saying those words, do you love me, makes my skin crawl!

And the way I read the account of that incident, after he sat her down and asked her if she loved him, she then went to a room and found Carnel. She WAS LOOKING FOR CARNEL = SHE KNEW IT WAS ABOUT HIM!

It's not like she asked AB " What did you break while I was at work" or "Did you cheat on me"......NOPE - she went to look for her son!!!

 

[mahoolin]

Just more isolation by AB of Carnel and JC's family. Classic sign...

SIGH

Does it state who forbid contact? Maybe Jaimee wanted to prove she could handle being full-time mom, and didn't want Carnel confused with too many moms? ( friend in same situation right now, it's tough) Maybe it was her and not AB?

 

[Mimiof8]

It feels that alot of you are arguing about dv, Jamiee and AB.

What about Carnel? This is about him not them.

 

[Jacie Estes]

I think I can try to see it both ways, but unless you live it you cannot understand the Mom's side.

We all know what we'd do if it were us, but it isn't. I am going to try and withhold negative comments for now.

I just see this baby's beautiful eyes and I am so angry that he was murdered.

I am angry that he was murdered, as well. My anger is focused on the accused AB.

 

[AndiLA]

It feels that alot of you are arguing about dv, Jamiee and AB.

What about Carnel? This is about him not them.

I'll provide my own, albeit selfish, reasoning. Focusing my anger towards the adults in this situation allows me to still want justice for sweet Carnel without having to go over the horrific events over and over in my mind. I can't even make my mind go to a place that would mean imagining his last few hours on earth. The pain, the fright, the loneliness....a four year old shouldn't know any of those feelings. It breaks my heart.

 

[gogrannypop]

I'm so sick of this! What the heck is happening to this world?

My heart breaks for all of these children. Wish I could take them all in.

 

[Jacie Estes]

If she was afraid of AB and that was why she didn't run away with her son, then YES I would expect she would have said so. Instead she sided with his corporal punishment training techniques. She defended him on NG.

And with all of the others in her family talking, I think it would have come out if she had ever been to a shelter or sought help. She had a brother in town, a sister, her mother and a great Aunt next door.Aand her close family members included tribal chiefs and police chiefs. So she above many others young women, had avenues of escape.

As for the 'bashing' of her, that is not how I see it at all. I see it as the defending of little Carnal. He turned to his mom for help and she denied him that help. That is a fact. I don't care if she was manipulated or confused or
high or had a history of abuse herself as a child. Because she is now a grown woman and a mother and she saw with her own eyes the abuse of her little boy. We all have our own crosses to bear. And we all deserve compassion. But we do not deserve a total pass for allowing violent felons to have control of our young children.

I am perhaps being harsh, but I am sick of these innocent babies being slaughtered. I am being critical of her actions, even though she is grieving. I understand how that must look. But it is how I truly feel.

BBM- What is said within the community and what is said to outsiders are 2 very different things. Remember AB's family is there, as well. Anything that is said can be the spark for an incidence involving someone from his family towards someone from Carnel's family. Unless someone has lived on a rez, they don't understand the rez 'lifestyle'. I was with a sis-in-law in the supermarket on the rez when another woman came up and pulled a gun on her for what was a 'family' dispute.

No one would talk about Jaimee's dv history, in fact not much is being said at all by family members. KC is speaking but I don't think anyone would bother him. We have heard very little from Carnel's g-ma and nothing, that I've heard, from his g-pa.

 

[Jacie Estes]

It feels that alot of you are arguing about dv, Jamiee and AB.

What about Carnel? This is about him not them.

I am not arguing, I am presenting facts about DV, a subject I know too well; more than I could ever wish to know and more than I ever wished to see. I am also stating that, as per WS TOS Jaimee is considered a victim.

 

[katydid23]

BBM- What is said within the community and what is said to outsiders are 2 very different things. Remember AB's family is there, as well. Anything that is said can be the spark for an incidence involving someone from his family towards someone from Carnel's family. Unless someone has lived on a rez, they don't understand the rez 'lifestyle'. I was with a sis-in-law in the supermarket on the rez when another woman came up and pulled a gun on her for what was a 'family' dispute.

No one would talk about Jaimee's dv history, in fact not much is being said at all by family members. KC is speaking but I don't think anyone would bother him. We have heard very little from Carnel's g-ma and nothing, that I've heard, from his g-pa.

If you read the various family facebooks, it sure seems like a lot of people are talking a lot of smack. There are brothers and cousins and mothers out there speaking in public on their facebooks. And many are partially blaming Jaimie. So it does not seem like they know she was battered and are trying to keep it a secret. They seem to think she was being wreckless, imo.

 

[Knox]

MOUNT PLEASANT, MI — A spokesman said members of Carnel Chamberlain's family are supportive of his mother, Jaimee Chamberlain, though upset about events that happened before the 4-year-old’s death.

“We certainly can’t condone the actions of either adults in this situation,” Kevin Chamberlain said. “You just can’t condone it. Does the family believe that (Jaimee) wants her child dead? No.”

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Jaimee Chamberlain revealed to investigators that she witnessed her now ex-boyfriend, Anthony Bennett, abuse her son, Carnel Chamberlain, weeks before the 4-year-old went missing, according to the FBI.

“Was she at fault? Certainly," Kevin Chamberlain said. "We’re not going to sit here and try to defend her.”

http://www.mlive.com/news/saginaw/index.ssf/2012/07/carnel_chamberlain_family_spok.html

 

[katydid23]

I am not arguing, I am presenting facts about DV, a subject I know too well; more than I could ever wish to know and more than I ever wished to see. I am also stating that, as per WS TOS Jaimee is considered a victim.

But you are ASSUMING that she was living in fear of this boyfriend. Just because there are many DV victims on the rez, it does not automatically mean that she herself was one of them in this relationship.

 

[AndiLA]

I am not arguing, I am presenting facts about DV, a subject I know too well; more than I could ever wish to know and more than I ever wished to see. I am also stating that, as per WS TOS Jaimee is considered a victim.

1. I'm sorry you were ever in a situation where you know what it's like to suffer from DV.

2. While I appreciate and respect your views, you're not the only one stating facts, here. The handful of us that haven't hopped on the "JC IS A VICTIM, TOO!" bandwagon are also stating facts. We're citing our facts with quotes from those close to the case at hand.

JC KNEW her child was being abused and did nothing to stop it: Fact.

JC was a victim of DV: Speculation.

JMO.

 

[cluciano63]

It is not even just that she did nothing to stop it; she again left this little boy alone with him. That part, I cannot excuse...

 

[Knox]

Bennett is expected to appear in U.S. District Court in Bay City at 3 p.m. Tuesday for a detention hearing.

Will there be camera's in the courtroom?

ETA- Der, it's a Federal Courtroom.

 

[Mimiof8]

Will there be camera's in the courtroom?

ETA- Der, it's a Federal Courtroom.

I guess that means no cameras?

 

[Jacie Estes]

If you read the various family facebooks, it sure seems like a lot of people are talking a lot of smack. There are brothers and cousins and mothers out there speaking in public on their facebooks. And many are partially blaming Jaimie. So it does not seem like they know she was battered and are trying to keep it a secret. They seem to think she was being wreckless, imo.

Carnel's Hope For Tomorrow FB is specifically saying that it is not a page to bash Jaimee. In fact, I'm seeing positive tjings. As for other family pages, they are silent. One page I have seen is a brother using a firend's page to stir up. That page also has a video about used tampons so I consider the source.

Again, WS TOS is that Jaimee is a victim. Why is that so difficult to understand?

 

[Jacie Estes]

1. I'm sorry you were ever in a situation where you know what it's like to suffer from DV.

2. While I appreciate and respect your views, you're not the only one stating facts, here. The handful of us that haven't hopped on the "JC IS A VICTIM, TOO!" bandwagon are also stating facts. We're citing our facts with quotes from those close to the case at hand.

JC KNEW her child was being abused and did nothing to stop it: Fact.

JC was a victim of DV: Speculation.

JMO.

Fact: WS TOS states that at this time Jaimee is a victim.

 

[katydid23]

Again, WS TOS is that Jaimee is a victim. Why is that so difficult to understand?[/QUOTE]

Once she admitted to being a witness to the abuse, she lost her victim status in my eyes. At that time she became complicit.

 

[HeinekenMan]

Again, WS TOS is that Jaimee is a victim. Why is that so difficult to understand?[/QUOTE]

Once she admitted to being a witness to the abuse, she lost her victim status in my eyes. At that time she became complicit.

Haven't we argued about this enough? None of us know what was going on in Jaimee's head when she decided not to speak up about the abuse. I trust that LE will press charges against Jaimee if they believe she kept quiet with malicious or neglectful intent. But let's not pretend to know more than LE.