GUILTY MI - Carnel Chamberlain, 4, Mount Pleasant, 21 June 2012 #1

[kimlynn]

She could have protected her son if she wanted to.

Yes.There was no reason for her son to become a victim of abuse even if she was a victim herself....and there is nothing in her comments so far to indicate that she was a victim of abuse.

She is a victim now of DV due to her sons murder.Of course that is because she allowed this known abuser (by her own account) into her sons life.

I think it comes down to what is more important to you.Do you (as the adult) not act out of fear for your own safety ,or do you protect the weakest amoung us,an innocent child.

IMO

 

[AndiLA]

Doesn't sound like DV to me. It sounds like she was willing to go along with whatever feather face wanted because she liked having him around. He provided no monetary support, so it's not even like she was faced with losing her home if she kicked him to the curb. She allowed her son to be abused (training to become a man. PUH-LEASE) to appease AB. MOO. Obviously.

 

[Wondergirl]

Why did that shave off Carnel's beautiful hair a week before he murdered him? :furious:

 

[migranny]

I hope she was trying to escape with her son! It is hard, you can't just go to family or friends. Cripe that is the first place he would look! The only way to get away safely is to have enough money to disappear! Then think about it, where would you go, where would you live, how would you eat?
I have walked in those same shoes and you are trapped.

When she came home from work and he asked her do you love me, she knew she had to say yes and she knew something happened. Just him saying those words, do you love me, makes my skin crawl!

 

[tlzzdavis]

Her cousin stepped down as a Tribal Leader to become chief of Tribal police.

It is my understanding that if he was infact the "Chief Of Tribal Police" he would have information on the case.

Chamberlain, the tribe's former chief, said he had no details about what led investigators back to the house after many days of searching woods, ponds and the tribe's wastewater treatment areas.

http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/3d281c11a96b4ad082fe88aa0db04305/Article_2012-06-28-Missing%20Boy-Michigan/id-4c7d013a8ab542aaac100be5aaee0aa2

 

[lonetraveler]

I don't think that even implies he was condoning it at all, he was just trying to provide some insight for people giving so much hate to Jaimee. No, she did not do the right thing, but this is NOT about Jaimee and her lack of parenting skills it is about the murder of her son. Jaimee is a victim until legally proven otherwise. She lost her baby boy. Like he said, before you walk a mile in ones shoes do not judge.

Does anyone know if the Grandma had been raising him? Why didn't she intervene?

I have to disagree that this is not about Jaimee and her lack of parenting skills...........IMO it is about her lack of parenting skills and her lack of protection for her child. IMO, you can't address one (the killing of this little boy) without also considering the other (Jaimee's involvement in the abuse of this little boy). You most likely would not have the first one without the situation of the second one, they go hand in hand.

 

[AndiLA]

I hope she was trying to escape with her son! It is hard, you can't just go to family or friends. Cripe that is the first place he would look! The only way to get away safely is to have enough money to disappear! Then think about it, where would you go, where would you live, how would you eat?
I have walked in those same shoes and you are trapped.

When she came home from work and he asked her do you love me, she knew she had to say yes and she knew something happened. Just him saying those words, do you love me, makes my skin crawl!

BBM: this is the ONLY shred of evidence that I've seen, thus far, that would even give me the tiniest inkling JC may have been a victim of DV. Those words and the way he went about it was cold, calculated, and manipulative. From what I gather, JC isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, so AB knew how to manipulate her and get her to see things his way. It's still not okay and nor is it an excuse, but I can see that scenario playing out. Moreso than one of her being scared for her life.

ETA: MOO.

 

[katydid23]

I hope she was trying to escape with her son! It is hard, you can't just go to family or friends. Cripe that is the first place he would look! The only way to get away safely is to have enough money to disappear! Then think about it, where would you go, where would you live, how would you eat?
I have walked in those same shoes and you are trapped.

When she came home from work and he asked her do you love me, she knew she had to say yes and she knew something happened. Just him saying those words, do you love me, makes my skin crawl!

Her cousin was the chief of the tribal police. She could have had him arrested instantly. He was on probation and had recently been released from prison for assault. So she could have easily escaped him by reporting him to her family.

She had enough money to get away if she wanted to. But I see no evidence that she wanted to. Have you read the things she reported to the FBI?

Did she ever say she was afraid of him? No, she said WE are training Carnel. She used the word WE. She had combined forces with this guy.

 

[Jacie Estes]

BBM: this is the ONLY shred of evidence that I've seen, thus far, that would even give me the tiniest inkling JC may have been a victim of DV. Those words and the way he went about it was cold, calculated, and manipulative. From what I gather, JC isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, so AB knew how to manipulate her and get her to see things his way. It's still not okay and nor is it an excuse, but I can see that scenario playing out. Moreso than one of her being scared for her life.

ETA: MOO.

http://www.bwjp.org/files/bwjp/articles/Domestic_Violence_Programs_and_Children's_Records.pdf

ANY contact that a victim has with a DV shelter/system is confidential. There would be no evidence of contact that is made public. Jaimee has just found out that her son was murdered, a horrible death. Does anyone think that she would discuss her DV history, especially at this time? She has not even buried her son yet. She willingly gave statements to the FBI, she took 2 polygraph tests. If she choses to not disclose DV history, that is her choice. Some people can talk about it, for others it is too painful.

As I have said before, according to WS TOS, Jaimee is a victim here as well. I don't understand the bashing of her. IF and when facts come out that show she is not a victim, then it is a different story. I am of the mind set she is now a victim.

 

[Mimiof8]

http://www.mlive.com/mobile/news/saginaw/

Family of Carnel Chamberlain must wait at least a month to hold funeral for 4-year-old [Posted by Brad Devereaux | [email protected] July 02, 2012, 7:40 PM]

Courtesy photoCarnel Chamberlain, 4, went missing on June 21 and family found out he was dead a week later. MOUNT PLEASANT, MI —Family members of Carnel Chamberlain desperately seeking closure that a funeral for the 4-year-old boy might offer reluctantly announced today that the ceremony will have to wait. "After a lengthy discussion with our liaison with the FBI... we are probably looking at one to three months before we can even think about a funeral!" family spokesman Kevin Chamberlain wrote about 7 p.m. Monday on the family's Facebook page, Carnel's Hope for Tomorrow.

More at link

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

I think I can try to see it both ways, but unless you live it you cannot understand the Mom's side.

We all know what we'd do if it were us, but it isn't. I am going to try and withhold negative comments for now.

I just see this baby's beautiful eyes and I am so angry that he was murdered.

 

[AndiLA]

http://www.bwjp.org/files/bwjp/articles/Domestic_Violence_Programs_and_Children's_Records.pdf

ANY contact that a victim has with a DV shelter/system is confidential. There would be no evidence of contact that is made public. Jaimee has just found out that her son was murdered, a horrible death. Does anyone think that she would discuss her DV history, especially at this time? She has not even buried her son yet. She willingly gave statements to the FBI, she took 2 polygraph tests. If she choses to not disclose DV history, that is her choice. Some people can talk about it, for others it is too painful.

As I have said before, according to WS TOS, Jaimee is a victim here as well. I don't understand the bashing of her. IF and when facts come out that show she is not a victim, then it is a different story. I am of the mind set she is now a victim.

By evidence, I mean what has been reported by MSM. The words of JC, herself. I'm not saying she should publicly disclose DV, she suffered under the hand of AB. Shes openly admitted to knowing about AB brutally beating her child, IMO, if she were a victim of DV, that would have come out along the way, too. Instead, she sounded as if she were siding with AB in saying abuse=teaching a child to be a man. Do I think she thought AB would kill her child? No. But, he should have never had the chance. All JMO.

 

[laniefi]

Don't forget about the workers saying they heard alot of yelling the Wednesday before. Do we know if JC worked that Wednesday? Could the yelling be from ab and jc arguing over the abuse of cc? Could Thursday have been payback for cc telling on ab?

Not caught up yet, but that was my guess regarding the Wednesday AND Thursday before. I of course have no proof or evidence of that, but I did have the thought!

 

[katydid23]

http://www.bwjp.org/files/bwjp/articles/Domestic_Violence_Programs_and_Children's_Records.pdf

ANY contact that a victim has with a DV shelter/system is confidential. There would be no evidence of contact that is made public. Jaimee has just found out that her son was murdered, a horrible death. Does anyone think that she would discuss her DV history, especially at this time? She has not even buried her son yet. She willingly gave statements to the FBI, she took 2 polygraph tests. If she choses to not disclose DV history, that is her choice. Some people can talk about it, for others it is too painful.

As I have said before, according to WS TOS, Jaimee is a victim here as well. I don't understand the bashing of her. IF and when facts come out that show she is not a victim, then it is a different story. I am of the mind set she is now a victim.

If she was afraid of AB and that was why she didn't run away with her son, then YES I would expect she would have said so. Instead she sided with his corporal punishment training techniques. She defended him on NG.

And with all of the others in her family talking, I think it would have come out if she had ever been to a shelter or sought help. She had a brother in town, a sister, her mother and a great Aunt next door.Aand her close family members included tribal chiefs and police chiefs. So she above many others young women, had avenues of escape.

As for the 'bashing' of her, that is not how I see it at all. I see it as the defending of little Carnal. He turned to his mom for help and she denied him that help. That is a fact. I don't care if she was manipulated or confused or
high or had a history of abuse herself as a child. Because she is now a grown woman and a mother and she saw with her own eyes the abuse of her little boy. We all have our own crosses to bear. And we all deserve compassion. But we do not deserve a total pass for allowing violent felons to have control of our young children.

I am perhaps being harsh, but I am sick of these innocent babies being slaughtered. I am being critical of her actions, even though she is grieving. I understand how that must look. But it is how I truly feel.

 

[cluciano63]

Whether she was or was not abused...we will probably hear that she was, if she is charged with anything...

 

[katydid23]

I think I can try to see it both ways, but unless you live it you cannot understand the Mom's side.

We all know what we'd do if it were us, but it isn't. I am going to try and withhold negative comments for now.

I just see this baby's beautiful eyes and I am so angry that he was murdered.

I greatly respect your opinion and I can see it might be important to withhold negative comments. But at the same time, it felt wrong to see all of the made up explanations for her behavior. We have no evidence that she ever had PPD, or was ever physically battered or threatened by AB or was ever afraid of him and felt trapped. And I hate the way it seems to give other women a 'pass' to give their vulnerable children over to violent felons and if something bad happens, it is not their fault because they were confused. As a victim of sexual and emotional child abuse myself, it rattles my cage. :jail:

 

[mahoolin]

:waitasec:Confused, great-aunt and uncle living next door became Jaimee's foster parents when she was 8?


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...eat-carnel-chamberlain-charges_n_1639763.html


But Jaimee's mom was raising Carnel until very recently? I can't find link with mention when mom/grandma gave Carnel back to Jaimee?

 

[Mimiof8]

Carnel Chamberlain familyspokesman:'Wecannot condone the actions of either adults in this situation' [Posted by Brad Devereaux | [email protected] July 02, 2012, 6:00 PM]

Carnel Chamberlain was reported missing June 21. His family learned that he was dead one week later. Update: Family must wait for funeral MOUNT PLEASANT, MI —A spokesman said members of Carnel Chamberlain's family are supportive of his mother, Jaimee Chamberlain, though upset about events that happened before the 4-year-old’s death. “We certainly can’t condone the actions of either adults in this situation,” Kevin Chamberlain said. “You just can’t condone it. Does the family believe that (Jaimee) wants her child dead? No.” Jaimee Chamberlain revealed to investigators that she witnessed her now ex-boyfriend, Anthony Bennett, abuse her son, Carnel Chamberlain, weeks before the 4-year-old went missing, according to the FBI. “Was she at fault? Certainly," Kevin Chamberlain said. "We’re not going to sit here and try to defend her.”

http://www.mlive.com/mobile/news/saginaw/

 

[AndiLA]

Carnel Chamberlain familyspokesman:'Wecannot condone the actions of either adults in this situation' [Posted by Brad Devereaux | [email protected] July 02, 2012, 6:00 PM]

Carnel Chamberlain was reported missing June 21. His family learned that he was dead one week later. Update: Family must wait for funeral MOUNT PLEASANT, MI —A spokesman said members of Carnel Chamberlain's family are supportive of his mother, Jaimee Chamberlain, though upset about events that happened before the 4-year-old’s death. “We certainly can’t condone the actions of either adults in this situation,” Kevin Chamberlain said. “You just can’t condone it. Does the family believe that (Jaimee) wants her child dead? No.” Jaimee Chamberlain revealed to investigators that she witnessed her now ex-boyfriend, Anthony Bennett, abuse her son, Carnel Chamberlain, weeks before the 4-year-old went missing, according to the FBI. “Was she at fault? Certainly," Kevin Chamberlain said. "We’re not going to sit here and try to defend her.”

http://www.mlive.com/mobile/news/saginaw/

BBM: pretty much exactly what I've been saying.

 

[laniefi]

Did I say or imply that he condoned Carnel's treatment? :waitasec:
In my opinion, he was letting people know he realizes JC's shortcomings and that there was a lack of action on her part.

According to what her brother says; Grandma was not allowed to talk to Carnel after he left her care. She had no idea what was going on.

Just more isolation by AB of Carnel and JC's family. Classic sign...

SIGH