GUILTY MI - Carnel Chamberlain, 4, Mount Pleasant, 21 June 2012 #2

[Jacie Estes]

BBM
Me too! All I can think of is that he's probably pretty street-wise, having grown up the way he did. He may not be able to read or write on grade level, but my guess is he's not too diminished in everyday life, and I'm sure he's acquired a lot of experience with all the "like-mindeds" he's met up with in the legal system.

I keep thinking of years ago when children left school at a very young age to help support their family (ex during the depression) and you would never know they had so few formal years of education when you met them as adults.

But, I agree, I think a lot was done in a few short hours. Wonder who his help might have been?

Such anger. I kind of understand now after reading about his upbringing, but I don't excuse him at all. To function in society in the very basic way you learn what's acceptable, and abuse and murder most certainly aren't. I think he's a sociopath, if not born, than created in his environment. (and I don't even play a psychiatric professional on tv, so take that as MHOO):twocents:

I have no sympathy for him. I've seen others like him on the rez. I am tired of guys like him who have numerous babies with numerous girls, blaze up all day, beat the girls, beat the children and just walk away. The girls/children end up in a shelter or worse dead.

 

[katydid23]

Well, she could run away or commit suicide and take a lot of valuable information with her. That could hurt the prosecution. It's too soon to know whether those scenarios could be possible right now. She should have been under 24-hour surveillance.

True. They probably thought the family was watching over her pretty closely. And she probably seemed distraught, and unlikely to run off. They were in the middle of planning his funeral too, I believe. I am surprised the is gone right now.

 

[Jacie Estes]

Respectfully. I believe all the public has learnt is what mom shared that was necessary to file charges against AB. I do not for a second buy that the abuse Carnel only began a week or two prior when the man who allegedly murdered him had been in a relationship with his mother for 7 mo's.

Anyone care to raise their hand if they believe AB was a fine upstanding young man who didn't abuse Carnel while in Carnel's presense until a week or two prior to his murder?

I have trouble believing that only Jaimee and AB saw Carnel the last month. The auntie/neighbor said he was playing on the trampoline with other kids, he was in the yard.

 

[HeinekenMan]

Do you mean Kevin Chamberlain or her brother that uses someone else's Facebook page?

Yes. Sorry. I haven't been following closely for the past few days. Kevin seems like a nice enough guy. But I'm not sure it's necessary, nor helpful, for him to do interview after interview.

 

[Jacie Estes]

True. They probably thought the family was watching over her pretty closely. And she probably seemed distraught, and unlikely to run off. They were in the middle of planning his funeral too, I believe. I am surprised the is gone right now.

Suicide rates on reservations are very high; sometimes all it takes is the death of a loved one or a breakup.

American Indian teens take their own lives at more than two times the rate of any other teen demographic in the USA, according to statistics from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Of course, these numbers are just averages, so on certain reservations the suicide rate is exponentially higher. But calculating the numbers is easy. It's the reasons that are harder to fathom.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jay-tavare/suicide-american-indian-reservation_b_821639.html

Tribal suicide rates are 70 percent higher than for the general population, and the youth suicide rate is even higher. On some reservations youth suicide rates are 10 times the national average.
“Things go wrong that they can’t change,” Coloradas said, trying to explain the high rate of suicide in his community. “They don’t get shown the love they need. They say, ‘You don’t love me when I was here. Now you love me when I’m not here.’ “

http://www.nativetimes.com/index.ph...ide-on-indian-reservations&catid=51&Itemid=27

 

[Cubby]

We may well have to agree to disagree on the subject of drugs.I stand by my post,but will post my belief on users of drugs.
Not everyone who partakes is an addict.Some can use everyday/all day for many yrs. and still be able to refrain if they so desire.
Some use drugs or drink because they enjoy it....it is as simple as that.
Most are still able to understand what is correct behaviour and when behavior is harmful.
Some folks do get addicted,but it depends on the drug of choice and the person.
Some people are just flat out mean and uncaring and drugs or drink have little to do with the way they are or what they do.
As mentioned in my earlier posts,drugs do cause apathy in long term users,but not to the extent that a loved one could overlook a child being beaten. IMO

We an agree to disagree....

Moms substance abuse issues were known. An addict in recovery wouldn't become involved with someone like AB.
An addict can't go from being a pickle back to being a cucumber. Moms substance abuse issues were founded long before this happened.

There were many people in this childs life who overlooked his mothers substance abuse issues as well as her boyfriends very long rap sheet when they made the choice to not report their concerns to child protective services.

There is no way anyone will ever convince me one adult bares the sole responsibilty for protecting this child from AB. This child had many many adults in his life who did.not.one.thing. All it would have taken was one call, and emergency request and someone to run a criminal check on AB and Carnel would have been out of there in no time. His mother would have then had to make the choice between her son and AB. But no one forced mom to make that choice. She was allowed both.

 

[katydid23]

My concern is that she may be suicidal. People can only be pushed so far and then they snap.

I can see a possibility that she is feeling suicidal. But I am not going to blame others for that situation. I think the feelings she is battling are ones of guilt, and not because of anything others are saying. I think more likely it is because of what she feels and knows deep inside. JMO

 

[longtallcold]

My coworker is a retired 30 year Sherriff from Mount Pleasant. He has worked on the rez for the past 20 years. He is very familar with the Bennett and Chamberlain families -- not good.

I asked him if the construction worker smelled burnt flesh coming out of the chimney, then why didn't the tribal police smell it in the house a few hours later? He said that the BIA refused to allow the Tribal Police or FBI enter the home for several days. They would not give them a warrant. He has a friend who was in charge of one of the hounds and they knew on day one that Carnel was either in the house or under it. The hound kept sniffing around the porch. The BIA told them to extend the search and that they were not permitted in or around the house. The hound kept going back to the house.

The Aunt had said in an interview that the hounds kept going back to the house and she couldn't understand why no one was paying attention to them.

I just wanna say as a random volunteer searcher for that whole weekend, this pisses me off! I thought on Friday was looking for a wandered off kid, then by Sat we were all pretty sure we were looking for a body, but for these people to ask for volunteer searchers and KNOW the crap they did and still have us search in random places both saturday and sunday was WRONG!

This just compounds the stuff they decided to "let out of the bag" about mom and the abuse AFTER THE FACT! I wasted my whole weekend! Cuz they never woulda let us search the house!

 

[Jacie Estes]

I can see a possibility that she is feeling suicidal. But I am not going to blame others for that situation. I think the feelings she is battling are ones of guilt, and not because of anything others are saying. I think more likely it is because of what she feels and knows deep inside. JMO

Anyone connected to the rez knows that suicide is a major problem. It is a problem that breaks our hearts. Compassion is needed.

 

[HeinekenMan]

True. They probably thought the family was watching over her pretty closely. And she probably seemed distraught, and unlikely to run off. They were in the middle of planning his funeral too, I believe. I am surprised the is gone right now.

Well, that video was really choppy for me. I haven't seen another source say anything about her being MIA. If she just received that check that people were talking about, she very well could have hopped on a bus and headed for parts unknown.

I just can't believe they didn't keep an eye on her. And here's why. I have tried to make it clear that abuse could have affected her decision-making. At the same time, I said very early on, before Carnel was found, that I wanted to know the last time anyone other than mom and the boyfriend saw Carnel. I'm not sure that has been answered to my satisfaction. And there have been no murder charges filed yet. I'm not going to speculate any further than that. But that's why I find it very disturbing that she can't be located right now.

 

[longtallcold]

IMO shes not missing - like they pretended her son was, shes disappeared, as in doesn't want to be found...probably for obvious reasons

 

[Cubby]

What is a recovering voice? I'm confused.

I'm a recovering alcoholic. By voice, I meant sharing my experiences as a recovering alcoholic with regards to how substance abuse issues played a role in this tragic heinious crime.

Being a voice for those without a voice, is clearly why many of us are here at WS advocating for justice for victims like Carnel.

 

[longtallcold]

im sorry if this is inappropriate or whatever, and remove if necessary, but id trade the life of a 4yr old for that of the "mom" I mean if that were an option at this point, which of course its not!

 

[longtallcold]

I love you Cubby, you know that, but I drink every day - some may call or label me an alcoholic - but id never hurt nor let anyone else hurt my kid!

 

[Jacie Estes]

I just wanna say as a random volunteer searcher for that whole weekend, this pisses me off! I thought on Friday was looking for a wandered off kid, then by Sat we were all pretty sure we were looking for a body, but for these people to ask for volunteer searchers and KNOW the crap they did and still have us search in random places both saturday and sunday was WRONG!

This just compounds the stuff they decided to "let out of the bag" about mom and the abuse AFTER THE FACT! I wasted my whole weekend! Cuz they never woulda let us search the house!

I don't understand BIA's actions. I'm not even sure how they would intervene if Tribal called in FBI. Does not make sense.

I do believe that the house and surrounding area would have been off limits to all but LE.

 

[katydid23]

Anyone connected to the rez knows that suicide is a major problem. It is a problem that breaks our hearts. Compassion is needed.

I have nothing but compassion for the families of suicide victims. I am not missing the 'compassion' gene completely. I just lack the compassion gene for mothers who allow violent offenders to move into their homes and babysit their children. :angel:

 

[longtallcold]

Jacie, I know that we got there at 1pm on Sunday as instructed, and we waited for an hour at least to get signed in because according to SAR -- LE changed their search area "based on new information"

 

[ToosieJoie33]

Arrested by Tribal Police?

Has this been confirmed? She's facing failure to report tribal level not murder on federal level.

As far as I know, they haven't arrested her. But, there is a petition out there to have her arrested. That was what I was referring to.

 

[HeinekenMan]

I'm a recovering alcoholic. By voice, I meant sharing my experiences as a recovering alcoholic with regards to how substance abuse issues played a role in this tragic heinious crime.

Being a voice for those without a voice, is clearly why many of us are here at WS advocating for justice for victims like Carnel.

Thanks. I understand now.

 

[longtallcold]

katy - how do you separate those two? I understand what you are saying and I genuinely want to know.