GUILTY MI - Chelsea Bruck, 22, Frenchtown Twp, 26 Oct 2014 #2

[Sweetgrits]

Hi Sweetgrits! With grits in your name, I'm assuming y'all are from the south!
This is pure speculation and deduction from all the various postings, news clips, interviews, and predictive modeling I do based on known Perp patterns & analysis. I am by no means a professional, just sharing what emerges for me as good theories. Some basic considerations:

*Lots of cameras and videos taken from that event. What emerges outside of the main focus of the photo will be equally relevant, if not more important. (Who keeps popping up lurking around her?
*From what I understand, there are a large percentage of "regulars" who show up for these Pick Axe Preacher concerts/events. While 600-ish is indeed a large number of people to triage through, keep in mind the theory of "six degrees of separation". You follow the bread crumb trail of who knows who, who knows who.
*There are certain established time event anchors that help track the bread crumb trail. (Seen showing the security guard her phone, calling from another phone to talk about a facial injury, and so forth)
*THE BAND MUST HAVE A (E)MAILING LIST and fans noted on their facebook page. I would be ever so interested to triage through that list, and especially note who "unfriended" or email opted out after the incident. (Or, was added....)

And my list goes on.....

BTW, I'm sure the Perp reads this page, and the Facebook page(s). I would suggest to them that their best course of action is to get a lawyer, confess, and plea. Or, of course, they can wait and see. Of course not all the sleeping pills in the world will work with this on their conscience. But again, they can wait and see. But as Dirty Harry said, "do you feel lucky?" I'm betting on LE.

Thank you for your insight roses. It definitely gives me encouragement even though I was feeling like this case would never be solved. But the short time I've been on WS I have thought multiple times, if a case can be solved then WS would do it. There are so many ideas, points of view and what ifs, I learn something every time I'm here.

Also, you're right I am from the south - NC. I don't care for grits but the name stands for Girl Raised In The South.

 

[OldSteve]

I don't think the kind of person responsible for Chelsea's disappearance has a conscience to keep them awake at night. Doubt they need any sleeping pills. That kind of person sleeps just fine because they have no respect for any life but their own.

As far as betting on LE? I won't put my money on that. I have huge respect for LEO's, but I live in Monroe. Detectives in Monroe have so little experience with this kind of thing. Small town, usually low crime rate.

I know I mentioned the Nevaeh Buchanan case here in Monroe a couple of weeks ago. There's a lot of local disagreement 5 years later on that cold case. Some think the reason no arrest was ever made is because local LE KNOWS who the killer/killers are but already in jail over some other offense.

That makes no sense to me, however. Who cares? Go ahead and charge them. It would help our community heal just to know charges have been filed. Instead, we're left wondering how competent they really are.

Most of the people I know locally don't have any confidence in LE solving this case based on the above mentioned case. And as I mentioned, I have the utmost respect for LEOs. It's just hard to have faith when past experience only led to frustration and no arrests 5 years after the murder of a 5 year old baby.

I hope I'm wrong and that Chelsea will be found and someone held accountable for the nightmare her family has had to endure for two months now.

I was Googling to see if this case has been turned over a higher (State or Federal) authority to investigate, but I don't see that. Am I missing something?
Would think it would be a daunting task for local LE to handle all that's involved...

 

[rosesfromangels]

Thank you for your insight roses. It definitely gives me encouragement even though I was feeling like this case would never be solved. But the short time I've been on WS I have thought multiple times, if a case can be solved then WS would do it. There are so many ideas, points of view and what ifs, I learn something every time I'm here.

Also, you're right I am from the south - NC. I don't care for grits but the name stands for Girl Raised In The South.

THat is the cutest thing ever, and I'm surprised I've never heard it before. Regarding discouragement, of course that is a tool of the fallen angel.
Aside from forensically examining those videos and photos, I think there should be a little white board session to connect the dots on any and all similarities and events mutual to the Chelsea and the Niswender twin. Sounds like revenge motivation, but for what? Were the girls the "popular" kids at school? Cheerleaders who were envied as the entitled ones? Did they intentionally or unintentionally "scar" someone in high school through some typical teenage thoughtlessness?
These are connections that need to be examined in the greatest details. I suggest the Mom's get together and try to identify and milestone incidences that can be tied together. I agree with BetteDavisEyes....this "coincidence" defies the laws of probability.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I was Googling to see if this case has been turned over a higher (State or Federal) authority to investigate, but I don't see that. Am I missing something?
Would think it would be a daunting task for local LE to handle all that's involved...

It's always been puzzling to me that Chelsea Bruck has not been listed among the FBI's missing persons :waitasec:

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

THat is the cutest thing ever, and I'm surprised I've never heard it before. Regarding discouragement, of course that is a tool of the fallen angel.
Aside from forensically examining those videos and photos, I think there should be a little white board session to connect the dots on any and all similarities and events mutual to the Chelsea and the Niswender twin. Sounds like revenge motivation, but for what? Were the girls the "popular" kids at school? Cheerleaders who were envied as the entitled ones? Did they intentionally or unintentionally "scar" someone in high school through some typical teenage thoughtlessness?
These are connections that need to be examined in the greatest details. I suggest the Mom's get together and try to identify and milestone incidences that can be tied together. I agree with BetteDavisEyes....this "coincidence" defies the laws of probability.

IIRC, it was reported that Chelsea chatted with a friend from high school during the Halloween party. Perhaps locals, including LE, have specific reasons for believing that there is no connection between Julia's murder and Chelsea's disappearance :dunno:

 

[Sweetgrits]

It's always been puzzling to me that Chelsea Bruck has not been listed among the FBI's missing persons :waitasec:

What do you think it suggests that they don't? I'm so glad I found this site because you know how to reason things out and ask questions I don't think about. The one thing I think about most often is there was only one person to give a description of a possible POI. It just seems that with 600 guests at least a couple others would come forward and say they saw Harry Potter man, even if it was just to get there 15 min of fame. Of course, JMO

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

^ I don't know why/how some missing persons "qualify" for FBI listing while others don't. I noticed that college student, Shane Montgomery, who went missing from a pub in PA on November 26 is included in the current list. http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap

 

[FindHG]

What do you think it suggests that they don't? I'm so glad I found this site because you know how to reason things out and ask questions I don't think about. The one thing I think about most often is there was only one person to give a description of a possible POI. It just seems that with 600 guests at least a couple others would come forward and say they saw Harry Potter man, even if it was just to get there 15 min of fame. Of course, JMO

Totally agree with your comments about the site and appreciate the great WS crew taking part on this thread. It may be that they have others who may have seen the POI, but the vendor LE mentions in the PC was distinguished as being of sober mind, which adds to the credibility of the POI sketch.

 

[Spellbound]

It's always been puzzling to me that Chelsea Bruck has not been listed among the FBI's missing persons :waitasec:

I cannot figure out when or how the FBI gets involved in missing person cases, other than if requested by local authorities.



From the FBI.gov page on what they investigate:

The FBI is limited in the amount of information and photos it can provide on wanted fugitives and missing persons. We also do not investigate all fugitives or missing persons in the United States; many cases are handled by local authorities or other federal agenices.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

^ I read on the Shane Montgomery forum here that the FBI might have been involved early on because the missing young man has a relative in the local LE. I don't know if it's true or not, but I think that all missing persons and their families should be given the same consideration. :moo:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ne-M-Montgomery-21-Philadelphia-27-Nov-2014-2

Why wouldn't the Monroe County Sheriff want any/all available assistance to find Chelsea Bruck? :dunno:

 

[Spellbound]

I wonder if there has to be some indication of a federal crime, crossing state line, etc? Although I can't see that in some of the known missing cases on the FBI list. Unless LE here have something specific they are going on, I also wonder after this long why they have not requested more extensive legal support.

 

[Ghostwheel]

I cannot figure out when or how the FBI gets involved in missing person cases, other than if requested by local authorities.



From the FBI.gov page on what they investigate:

The FBI is limited in the amount of information and photos it can provide on wanted fugitives and missing persons. We also do not investigate all fugitives or missing persons in the United States; many cases are handled by local authorities or other federal agenices.

From what I have seen in the past, FBI gets involved when it is a child; when it is known or there is cause to believe that the missing person has been taken across state lines; if they suspect there might be a serial killer involved; if the person is from one state/country and goes missing in another state/country;and when asked specifically by local LE, often because the FBI has resources that the local LE does not have. JMO.

 

[Spellbound]

Thank you for your informative post, Ghostwheel. That is sort of what I thought. But curiosity makes me wonder why do some get on the FBI list when none of these factors seem present? Of course, I am not privileged to what all agencies have not disclosed to the public, so I understand that I may not know the answer.

 

[psyquestor]

I wonder if there has to be some indication of a federal crime, crossing state line, etc? Although I can't see that in some of the known missing cases on the FBI list. Unless LE here have something specific they are going on, I also wonder after this long why they have not requested more extensive legal support.

IMO that's exactly it. Especially vulnerable, crossing state lines, federal charges etc are all matters that the FBI would be involved in. Otherwise they leave it to City and State police.

 

[Spellbound]

So if there is a belief she was taken for sex trade, would that not qualify as possibly being taken to another state, or do they need more "proof" ? Oh, to be a fly on the wall of the investigation department.

 

[goldenbear]

FBI or no FBI that is the question. My experience suggests the crime does not have to cross a state line,the FBI does not have to be asked in, and a federal crime does not have to have been done. They come in on most movie star crimes. Think Sharon Tate.

 

[OldSteve]

Not sure if Michigan has a state level crimes investigation unit that helps in active cases, looks like they get involved in cold cases and sexual assults, if I've read correctly:
http://www.michigan.gov/ag/0,4534,7-164-19441-60564--,00.html

 

[FindHG]

Not sure if Michigan has a state level crimes investigation unit that helps in active cases, looks like they get involved in cold cases and sexual assults, if I've read correctly:
http://www.michigan.gov/ag/0,4534,7-164-19441-60564--,00.html

It was reported early on in MSM that the investigation extended to other neighboring states.
http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...gan-woman-who-disappeared-from-party/29900262

The Monroe County sheriff's department has said there's no evidence that the 22-year-old was hurt or killed, but her Oct. 26 disappearance prompted authorities to look for her in Michigan, Ohio and Indiana.

 

[TedMac]

Not sure if Michigan has a state level crimes investigation unit that helps in active cases, looks like they get involved in cold cases and sexual assults, if I've read correctly:
http://www.michigan.gov/ag/0,4534,7-164-19441-60564--,00.html

BBM They do. They were actively involved in the April Dawn Milsap case in Armada County, MI.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...found-murdered-in-woods-Armada-24-July-2014-2

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Perhaps one of the family members who contribute here can enlighten us regarding the lack of FBI involvement in Chelsea's case.