MI MI - Julia Niswender, 23, EMU student, Ypsilanti, 10 Dec 2012 - #2

[dmc43613]

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Long time lurker - first time poster.

Welcome Mrsbk!

 

[FindHG]

Welcome, mrsbk and thank you for posting the links. It is fascinating to go through.

:Welcome1:



Was this available before as such?

 

[MIMOMMY]

Sorry - I should clarify - when I said father I am referring to JT

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

MIMOMMY, While it's a separate case, do you think there could be a link between Julia Niswender's murder and Chelsea Bruck's disappearance? Are you familiar with the Bruck case? Jennifer Niswender is best friends with Chelsea's sister, Kassandra, and, in fact, was Maid of Honor when Kassie married in late January. Since the announcement of JT as a POI in Julia's death, has anyone alluded to a connection to Chelsea Bruck's disappearance?

 

[MIMOMMY]

Bette - While I cannot say that anyone has discussed with me a connection (or a possible connection - besides here on the threads of course) I personally believe that it seems to be more than a coincidence that the two women are so closely connected. I wonder if Chelsea's body was hidden because things did not go "well" with the staging of Julia.

Also, the fact that Julia was partially clothed has always been hard for me to understand - IF you were staging her death to make it look as though she died naturally - or whatever they were going for - WHY leave her partially clothed? My thought here has always been that her death was an accident and that the person had the respect for her to not have her naked and exposed....Of course just my opinion.

 

[OldSteve]

:thinking: - So what if JT is innocent? I've seen the reverse kind of cases where what appears to be accident is really homicide; so could this be some kind of accident that's been ruled homicide? Considering all the time that LE has had to get something on JT to support their theory, yet they what do they have on him showing he did this to Julia.
Are the trying JT in the media?

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Bette - While I cannot say that anyone has discussed with me a connection (or a possible connection - besides here on the threads of course) I personally believe that it seems to be more than a coincidence that the two women are so closely connected. I wonder if Chelsea's body was hidden because things did not go "well" with the staging of Julia....

I will be very surprised if there is not a link between Julia Niswender's death and Chelsea Bruck's disappearance. :moo:

 

[FindHG]

Bette - While I cannot say that anyone has discussed with me a connection (or a possible connection - besides here on the threads of course) I personally believe that it seems to be more than a coincidence that the two women are so closely connected. I wonder if Chelsea's body was hidden because things did not go "well" with the staging of Julia.

Also, the fact that Julia was partially clothed has always been hard for me to understand - IF you were staging her death to make it look as though she died naturally - or whatever they were going for - WHY leave her partially clothed? My thought here has always been that her death was an accident and that the person had the respect for her to not have her naked and exposed....Of course just my opinion.

If the step dad may have done this to protect himself from losing control over whatever he considered important enough to kill for, do you think he would have left evidence there to stage it to look like somebody else may have done it? I keep seeing in the media from these last couple years, well for lack of a better expression, LE's chain getting jerked often enough in the media about the evidence found at the scene, that has not been mentioned. Now this is a leap: it's as if the step dad knew of evidence at the scene that was staged to distance suspicion from him and that he's frustrated that LE won't release it. But how would he know? In this situation if he shows too much knowledge, then that implicates him. It's as if he knows the evidence exists somehow. I recall that LE would not let Julia's mom in the room, she made a point of sharing in an MSM broadcast interview, describing when she first heard and went to Julia's off campus suite, to Julia's bedroom door, but not inside.

This is out there, but if the step-dad this, I think he may have been counting on somebody other than LE finding Julia as she was staged.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

If the step dad may have done this to protect himself from losing control over whatever he considered important enough to kill for, do you think he would have left evidence there to stage it to look like somebody else may have done it? I keep seeing in the media from these last couple years, well for lack of a better expression, LE's chain getting jerked often enough in the media about the evidence found at the scene, that has not been mentioned. Now this is a leap: it's as if the step dad knew of evidence at the scene that was staged to distance suspicion from him and that he's frustrated that LE won't release it. But how would he know? In this situation if he shows too much knowledge, then that implicates him. It's as if he knows the evidence exists somehow. I recall that LE would not let Julia's mom in the room, she made a point of sharing in an MSM broadcast interview, describing when she first heard and went to Julia's dorm, to door of her bedroom, but not inside.

Julia didn't live in a college dorm; she lived in an off-campus apartment. I've posted the link for Peninsular Place apartments here and on the media/information thread. http://offcampuslistings.emich.edu/Huron-River-Drive-Leforge-Ypsilanti-MI-48197

 

[FindHG]

Julia didn't live in a college dorm; she lived in an off-campus apartment. I've posted the link for Peninsular Place apartments here and on the media/information thread.

Sorry, you're absolutely right, suite of multiple bedrooms that share a common kitchen and living space with separate bathrooms, near campus. Her's, if IIRC, was said to have been on the first floor.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Safety information survey for Peninsular Place apartments. Let's hope the security cameras were operating the night that Julia died. Maybe the perp appeared in surveillance video.

http://www.emich.edu/offcampushousing/admin/pdf.php?id=62

 

[MIMOMMY]

No not publicly known evidence.

And evidence being something that would lead to an actual person and backs the homicide definition.

 

[tarabull]

Any chance JT & the cleaning company he owns holds the cleaning contract for the Peninsular Place apartment complex? :thinking:

 

[tarabull]

Safety information survey for Peninsular Place apartments. Let's hope the security cameras were operating the night that Julia died. Maybe the perp appeared in surveillance video.

http://www.emich.edu/offcampushousing/admin/pdf.php?id=62

If camera's were working & rolling would LE be further along in the investigation by now? :thinking: Or were they (working) & are the videos assisting in the investigation as we wonder...

:coffeecup:

 

[tarabull]

'Be very careful what you think you know' is coming to mind again...

 

[dmc43613]

I would wonder if they did have dna/prints, but JT refused to give prints/sample and again the child charges were a strong arm arrest to get his "cooperation". ...brainstorming

 

[rosesfromangels]

No not publicly known evidence.

And evidence being something that would lead to an actual person and backs the homicide definition.

MIMOMMY,

Thank you so much for being on this thread and for patiently answering our questions!
While we are all so curious and trying hard to help provide suggestions that may lead to answers, we also know we don't want you to say anything more about what was found in that room. We know that to do so could potentially handicap
the prosecutors case, so we will be patient! : )

Other questions. Do you know how often Julia and her stepdad interacted or saw each other? Did she seem to have about the same level of relationship with her stepdad as her twin? And as a tie in to the Bruck case, do we know how much interaction he would have had with Chelsea, and do we know if he was in to heavy metal music?

 

[MIMOMMY]

MIMOMMY,

Do I understand this correctly? Are you saying that there is some evidence of foul play that could be compared against a suspect (because it contains DNA evidence, or finger prints etc.)

If this is the case, then we can presume that they already compared it to JT. Given that he is not named a suspect, means that he did not match the evidence, and that he is not the killer.
Of course, he could have been involved in some other way, though.

Without saying to much, my understanding is that there is evidence that could be compared.

 

[MIMOMMY]

Those are big suggestive leaps. Puts me in a spin. Would you care to share how you think such evidence exists?

There was no evidence of a struggle, IIRC. The whole cat in the dark thing.

I have knowledge of evidence that has not been released in the media. My understanding was that they feared doing so for obvious reasons.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I would wonder if they did have dna/prints, but JT refused to give prints/sample and again the child charges were a strong arm arrest to get his "cooperation". ...brainstorming

Is he still in custody? If so, then it has to be serious. They can't hold people on suspicion; there has to be something there. They are on to something, and most likely more than pedo , although that is certainly enough. All JMO and speculation, of course.