MI MI - Julia Niswender, 23, EMU student, Ypsilanti, 10 Dec 2012 - #2

[black_squirrel]

Who are you to judge the life I live? I know I'm not perfect and I don't live to be. But, before you start pointing fingers,
make sure your hands are clean. -- Bob Marley

This quote was posted on social media by Julia's aunt, CN. Within the family, there is one person that is clearly pointing the
finger toward JT and that is the (maternal) grandmother. Julia's grandmother as far as I know, raised 6 children, Julia, Jennifer, their mother KT,
their aunt CN and their 2 uncles JN and MN. The uncle JN died at age 33 (most likely of unnatural causes, but I don't know how) and Julia was murdered at age 23.
Are these two tragedies related in any way? Of the other 4, none have taken the side of the grandmother. I think what CN is suggesting here is that the people pointing fingers
might have their own skeletons in the closet.

I am not sure if Julia's murderer will be found among the family members. But it seems that only one family member is being investigated. Did any other family members
take a polygraph? It seems that Jennifer and her mother have given JT an alibi for the time of the murder. Have they been subjected to a polygraph test?
One of Kimberly's cousins is on a 3-year probation for larcenary. Has he been investigated?

 

[black_squirrel]

My gut reaction to the "300,000 pictures" is the same. That seems like A LOT of pictures. If you watch 100 pictures a day, it would take you 8 years or so to see them all.
But this does not make him more suspicious though. If there are so many images on his hard disk, chances are that he has never seen those 7 suspicious ones.
But I think that the lawyer probably misspoke. Perhaps he meant a different number, or perhaps he meant 300,000 files.

 

[Spellbound]

Agreed. However, I think this is significant considering Julia and AG were close. If she was creeped out by him...wouldn't she have mentioned it? Just playing devils advocate

BBM
Not necessarily. I never told my girlfriends or family about sexually inappropriate actions that made me feel creepy. In my mind at the time, I didn't know if I had done something to encourage it or if I was reading something into it that wasn't intentional, and I did not want to be ridiculed or told it was my fault. Unless it was a very overt act, I can see her keeping it to herself if something had been inappropriate.

 

[FindHG]

Judge won't lower bond for stepdad of slain EMU student
Katrease Stafford, Detroit Free Press 6:06 pm edt Mar 12, '15

"1:30 p.m. on March 17" for a prelim. examination

"9 a.m. March 27" for a pretrial hearing

Spellbound, (am still catching up) you had asked about the time.

 

[Spellbound]

http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2015/03/12/james-turnquist-hearing/70209480/

Yes, but probably only to her BFF's and her sister/Mom. Yes, I know the sister/Mom deny any misdoings.
We should also remember that pedophiles "groom" children. Maybe something happened in the past that Julia finally put a stop to, and threatened to report. Perhaps the adult Julia came to understand what the child Julia didn't and was going to take action.
All speculation. Let us see what the evidence looks like on the case; that will be very telling.

BBM
I would never have told my mother! :shame:

I just want to point out that if someone has 300,000 images in their possession of *any* subject matter, they are not a hobbyist. If these photos are of children, even if they aren't pornographic per se, they speak to a larger distribution business most likely.
And this is just the tip of the iceberg. These are the images in his possession, on his hard drive, thumbdrives, cameras, etc. LE will be tracing all activity from his IP address, and who knows what they will find there. Pedo's use secure mail for transmission, so they will have to work with the various providers and get warrants, etc. This will take time, but there is no escaping the breadcrumbs of activity o the internet. LE will forensically discover what this guy has been up to. In the meantime, I would recommend his cheerleaders stay silent. I don't think this will be a positive outcome for Mr. Turnquist. Speculation and MOO.

And whoever mentioned it...yes....let's hear from his ex-wife. I'm sure she would know if he has exhibited criminal behavior in the past, or show an inclination towards pedophilia.

BBM
Was there ever an ex-wife? I have heard nothing about him being married before, not that it isn't likely/possible. JMO

You made some good points about the amount of pictures being excessive. Seems odd to me, but I don't know how likely it would be to get that many any other way than an obsession of some sort.

I really wonder what the original search warrant was for. Were they looking for something related to or to the death, or something completley different?

I was reading Julia's twitter here https://twitter.com/JuliaNiswender2 . There is a link to her FB, so I clicked it and find it has been removed. I wonder who removed it and when. In the tweets, Julia said something about twitter being the only social media her parent haven't messed up.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Spellbound, I should have said ex. I have no idea if he has an ex-"wife". Interesting to know what the significant others in his past can offer up.

 

[Spellbound]

Channel 4 report on the Turnquist hearing a few minutes ago. Included interview with KT and JN. Check the website for updates: www.clickondetroit.com

From your link:

"A family member calls the police in hopes of protecting her husband — that tells me enough that she was scared for her well-being," he said. "... If (ProMedica staff) are scared enough of Turnquist to ask sheriff deputies to retrieve him, that tells me enough that Mr. Turnquist may be a danger to himself and society."

Seems Mr JT has quite a temper. That can be cause for alarm in raising children.

Turnquist's attorney, Paul Stablein, argued that Turnquist is not a danger to anyone, has no prior criminal history and is not a flight risk.

"The courtroom is filled with supporters and friends of the Turnquists — this speaks volumes," Stablein said. "He's absolutely no flight risk and he's no danger to the community. ... Look at the facts, the fact he has no prior history. A number of people that are here are the parents here from the karate studio whose children he has taught. They know what he's charged with yet they're here in support of him. They have no concern with their children in the way that Mr. Turnquist has taught them over the years."


I don't know why this isn't reassuring to me, but it does not allay my concerns. Just how many of those people in the courtroom were actually the parents of students? How many of all those in attendance were supporters of JT, and how many were supporters of the grandmother?

Apparently there are 11 more devices to go through. How many more images will be revealed?

quote from the mother, KN: "It doesn't help when your own family has been attacking you," she said. "There's nothing to hide. We've done nothing wrong. I have really seen what my family is all about and it's disgusting."

James Turnquist Sr., James Turnquist's father, said he and his wife, Patricia Turnquist, will continue to support his son and are sure of his innocence.
"I'm sad no less, but I love my son and I'm going to stand by him," he said.

Jennifer: "I think they're wasting their time," she said. "Right now, they can be focused on finding Julia's actual killer instead of going after my dad. It infuriates me because that's my sister and I want to see justice for her. ... It really makes you question the justice system."

Does she not realize these are two separate cases and different police departments?

As stated earlier, and my post was removed (it must not have been considered a legitimate site), I found both the mother and sister displayed many inappropriate expressions during court this morning. Is it a lack of maturity, or are they always inconsiderate? I know they are upset and feeling preyed upon, but there should be a sense of decorum that is followed in the court room. The photo is from the Free Press article http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2015/03/12/james-turnquist-hearing/70209480/

 

[rosesfromangels]

I'm with Grandma.

 

[Spellbound]

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...higan-students-murder-remains-jailed/31762164

article and video from today's hearing.

 

[cluciano63]

As far as a connection to Chelsea...would being out and about in the early hours i.e 2am or whatever time she was last seen, be something this guy would do often enough to not be able to have an alibi for her disappearance? I don't know if he does or does not have one, obviously, but it seems like an unlikely time for a man of his age to be out, Imo. If he was, someone in his family knows.

 

[caspermi]

From your link:

"A family member calls the police in hopes of protecting her husband — that tells me enough that she was scared for her well-being," he said. "... If (ProMedica staff) are scared enough of Turnquist to ask sheriff deputies to retrieve him, that tells me enough that Mr. Turnquist may be a danger to himself and society."

Seems Mr JT has quite a temper. That can be cause for alarm in raising children.

Turnquist's attorney, Paul Stablein, argued that Turnquist is not a danger to anyone, has no prior criminal history and is not a flight risk.

"The courtroom is filled with supporters and friends of the Turnquists — this speaks volumes," Stablein said. "He's absolutely no flight risk and he's no danger to the community. ... Look at the facts, the fact he has no prior history. A number of people that are here are the parents here from the karate studio whose children he has taught. They know what he's charged with yet they're here in support of him. They have no concern with their children in the way that Mr. Turnquist has taught them over the years."


I don't know why this isn't reassuring to me, but it does not allay my concerns. Just how many of those people in the courtroom were actually the parents of students? How many of all those in attendance were supporters of JT, and how many were supporters of the grandmother?

Apparently there are 11 more devices to go through. How many more images will be revealed?

quote from the mother, KN: "It doesn't help when your own family has been attacking you," she said. "There's nothing to hide. We've done nothing wrong. I have really seen what my family is all about and it's disgusting."

James Turnquist Sr., James Turnquist's father, said he and his wife, Patricia Turnquist, will continue to support his son and are sure of his innocence.
"I'm sad no less, but I love my son and I'm going to stand by him," he said.

Jennifer: "I think they're wasting their time," she said. "Right now, they can be focused on finding Julia's actual killer instead of going after my dad. It infuriates me because that's my sister and I want to see justice for her. ... It really makes you question the justice system."

Does she not realize these are two separate cases and different police departments?

As stated earlier, and my post was removed (it must not have been considered a legitimate site), I found both the mother and sister displayed many inappropriate expressions during court this morning. Is it a lack of maturity, or are they always inconsiderate? I know they are upset and feeling preyed upon, but there should be a sense of decorum that is followed in the court room. The photo is from the Free Press article http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2015/03/12/james-turnquist-hearing/70209480/

The look on their faces looks like something from a SNL skit.

 

[Spellbound]

The look on their faces looks like something from a SNL skit.

The daughter appears to be a sneering/ forced astonishment look, while the mother seems to be stifling giggles. JMO
I find them both to be disheartening.

 

[FindHG]

Agreed. However, I think this is significant considering Julia and AG were close. If she was creeped out by him...wouldn't she have mentioned it? Just playing devils advocate

No way to tell, now. For some people it takes years, maybe having their own kids, not repeating the patterns, to say anything to anyone. I imagine Julia was making the best of a horrible situation. Fear may have been a factor? When you tell friends, they try to help you, it may tick off the abuser to perceive such changes in status, hmm. Does that seem plausible to you?

 

[Sassyspecs]

This quote was posted on social media by Julia's aunt, CN. Within the family, there is one person that is clearly pointing the
finger toward JT and that is the (maternal) grandmother. Julia's grandmother as far as I know, raised 6 children, Julia, Jennifer, their mother KT,
their aunt CN and their 2 uncles JN and MN. The uncle JN died at age 33 (most likely of unnatural causes, but I don't know how) and Julia was murdered at age 23.
Are these two tragedies related in any way? Of the other 4, none have taken the side of the grandmother. I think what CN is suggesting here is that the people pointing fingers
might have their own skeletons in the closet

JN's cause of death was suicide. I don't believe MN has taken a hard stance either way and is having a difficult time as he feels pulled in all different directions. While there are a few different supporters of JT in the immediately family, from what I can see there are none within the extended family. I don't have an exact number of those questioning JT's involvement in Julia's death but I do know that number is much much bigger than 4.

I would also like to say that the family has been very respectful on social media in light of recent developments. They are not condemning or making specific accusations against JT, only asking for the truth in what actually happened. Their only hope is Justice for Julia, NOT to take JT down. On the other hand, the last post from KT on social media (before it was deactivated & the media reports started) basically read that if you don't support my family, I don't want or need you in my life. The ONLY reason I can come up with as to her complete denial of the situation is similar to the grandmother's. Brainwashing & manipulation. I can't imagine the emotional turmoil she's had to endure over the last two years and it certainly made her more vulnerable to the possibility of psychological abuse from her husband.

I've had my own suspicions of JT since right after the first anniversary of Julia's death, which I only ever shared with one other person out of respect for this family. Clearly it's not right to put it out there that you feel someone could be a murderer when that feeling is only based on how a certain action or situation is perceived. I formed these suspicions based on little things I witnessed with my own eyes since Julia had been killed and wasn't even aware of JT's prior interactions (or lack thereof) with LE that have now been made public. I am praying for this family and hoping they are given answers about what really happened to Julia & will continue to wear my justice for Julia bracelet until that beautiful vibrant girl gets justice!

 

[FindHG]

This quote was posted on social media by Julia's aunt, CN. Within the family, there is one person that is clearly pointing the
finger toward JT and that is the (maternal) grandmother. Julia's grandmother as far as I know, raised 6 children, Julia, Jennifer, their mother KT,
their aunt CN and their 2 uncles JN and MN. The uncle JN died at age 33 (most likely of unnatural causes, but I don't know how) and Julia was murdered at age 23.
Are these two tragedies related in any way? Of the other 4, none have taken the side of the grandmother. I think what CN is suggesting here is that the people pointing fingers
might have their own skeletons in the closet.

I am not sure if Julia's murderer will be found among the family members. But it seems that only one family member is being investigated. Did any other family members
take a polygraph? It seems that Jennifer and her mother have given JT an alibi for the time of the murder. Have they been subjected to a polygraph test?
One of Kimberly's cousins is on a 3-year probation for larcenary. Has he been investigated?

Julia lived with her grandmother for three years before she moved out. Julia and her uncle who died may have been favorites compared to the other siblings, you know how families go, in the end it doesn't matter what they think? Hopefully, in their disbelief facts aren't withheld. The facts will speak for themselves. All my wild guess, no reason to know.

Is this TMI contra TOS?

Why has James Turnquist as a POI in his step daughters murder not fully cooperated with LE as to his timeline, before or after her death, still? What could be worth going to jail for to avoid having a chat with LE, if as some suggest to be the case is what's happening? I think that suggestion is wrong. I think he's scared, anything he says would turn out more incriminating than where he is now, for the only obvious reason.

 

[tarabull]

"A family member calls the police in hopes of protecting her husband — that tells me enough that she was scared for her well-being," he said. "... If (ProMedica staff) are scared enough of Turnquist to ask sheriff deputies to retrieve him, that tells me enough that Mr. Turnquist may be a danger to himself and society."

FWIW...

Feb 2012: http://www.michigansmallgame.com/forum/showthread.php?t=411664

Oct 2012: http://www.savageshooters.com/archive/index.php/t-18823.html

Sorry if someone already posted the same...I searched but may have missed it.

 

[Spellbound]

JN's cause of death was suicide. I don't believe MN has taken a hard stance either way and is having a difficult time as he feels pulled in all different directions. While there are a few different supporters of JT in the immediately family, from what I can see there are none within the extended family. I don't have an exact number of those questioning JT's involvement in Julia's death but I do know that number is much much bigger than 4.

I would also like to say that the family has been very respectful on social media in light of recent developments. They are not condemning or making specific accusations against JT, only asking for the truth in what actually happened. Their only hope is Justice for Julia, NOT to take JT down. On the other hand, the last post from KT on social media (before it was deactivated & the media reports started) basically read that if you don't support my family, I don't want or need you in my life. The ONLY reason I can come up with as to her complete denial of the situation is similar to the grandmother's. Brainwashing & manipulation. I can't imagine the emotional turmoil she's had to endure over the last two years and it certainly made her more vulnerable to the possibility of psychological abuse from her husband.

I've had my own suspicions of JT since right after the first anniversary of Julia's death, which I only ever shared with one other person out of respect for this family. Clearly it's not right to put it out there that you feel someone could be a murderer when that feeling is only based on how a certain action or situation is perceived. I formed these suspicions based on little things I witnessed with my own eyes since Julia had been killed and wasn't even aware of JT's prior interactions (or lack thereof) with LE that have now been made public. I am praying for this family and hoping they are given answers about what really happened to Julia & will continue to wear my justice for Julia bracelet until that beautiful vibrant girl gets justice!

BBM
Sassyspecs, what do you mean by "JN's cause of death was suicide?" Did you mean to say that? This is being investigated as a homicide, correct?

Thank you for coming back and posting again. No one here is meaning to accuse JT of murder, but we do have doubts as to his honesty and cooperation. So far, most of us seem to feel he is hiding something. His actions recently have certainly raised suspicions that something is amiss, to say the least. Is there a possibility of abuse toward the wife and children in the current home situation that you are aware? (do not feel obligated to answer that if it makes you uncomfortable)

At this point, I strongly am with the grandmother with my suspicions. Family is rightfully keeping quiet to the public at this point with their suspicions. It must be tremendously difficult to be so concerned, have suspicions, and not be able to speak out as you might like. We appreciate any input you are able to share, or corrections to our thoughts.


Black-squirrel..... may I ask how you are connected to Julia? Did you know her, were you close, are you a relative? You may have already told us this, and I have forgotten, so forgive my asking a repeat question. You do seem to have a lot of knowledge about things. Am I correct? As for family support for Kim, the only person I have seen come forward is her sister, CN.

I so hope this comes to a conclusion before too much more time passes. And if there is any chance it has a connection to our missing Chelsea, I hope that comes to light, also. I think about these two girls all day, every day now. They are my prime concern and have my full attention. My brain just won't shut down with the questions and possibilities that it keeps running like a CD on constant replay. Justice for Julia and for Chelsea is my one and only goal.

 

[FindHG]

Child defendant, person of interest in Eastern Michigan student's murder remains jailed James Turnquist remains person of interest in stepdaughter Julia Niswender's murder
Priya Mann, Local 4 Reporter, Mar 12, '15 05:57:53 pm edt

[...]

"I have seen some, yes. They're not little kids at all."

[...not necessarily referring to the 7 images of a child in question]

"The judge said he denied lowering bond for two reasons:

1. Concern for his safety and safety of the community the day his wife called 911
2. His behavior at the mental health facility"

[...]

 

[Sassyspecs]

BBM
Sassyspecs, what do you mean by "JN's cause of death was suicide?" Did you mean to say that? This is being investigated as a homicide, correct?

Sorry about that, the JN I'm referring to is Julia's uncle/KT's brother. It is in response to the post wondering if the two untimely deaths could possibly be connected.

 

[FindHG]

From the link up thread