MI - Nevaeh Buchanan, 5, Monroe, 24 May 2009 - Body found - #6

[Steely Dan]

No, her rights were not terminated.

The fact remains that in the course of 118 days JB returned to her daughters life after being absent for 2 years, brought multiple registered sex offenders into her life despite family dissent, had an intimate relationship with one of these sex offenders, in her own words put him in the role of a father figure and on day 118 at a minimum did not know where her daughter was while a murdering child rapist ended her life.

Defending JB's choices and her rights as a mother are not high on my list. As you mentioned she never quite got around to filing to have those rights fully restored. She must have been busy, like she was when her kid was taken.

I understand the idiocy of her choices but they have past. She's not a high IQ person, literally, and obviously has zero common sense. That doesn't mean she isn't grieving. JMO

I haven't heard the father say this. Was this on NG? Is there a link? Is there something definitive that states that CPS was involved? I haven't read that on any of the news sites. I vaguely remember a talking head on NG saying that, but then there was a reason that it made no sense at the time. I remember us discussing it here as it was happening. Was it on the night that her body was found? (just trying to jog my own memory).

I'd like to see something too.

I know I'll be bombarded, but I want to say this about Jennifer! Why is it that so many people need to cast guilt and blame on her? This young woman (24yo) has just lost her child in the most horrible of circumstances...yes, she was guilty for not following her child upstairs, downstairs, and outside, but how many mothers do the exact same thing? I don't see ANY benefit in continuing to discuss why and how Jennifer is guilty...I want to discuss how and why beautiful Nevaeh was found in concrete! Children disappear from their beds, from rich people, poor people, educated, intelligent, and uneducated and low IQ...there are NO barriers protecting children from pedophiles, murderers, or abuse...all children are vulnerable. You can talk about what constitutes 'good mothering' all you want, and each of us would have different perspective.


...is there any such thing as the perfect mother? We view mothering from our own vantage point, our role models, lifestyle, IQ, education, status, and ability to make, what we feel, are good JUDGEMENTS...and the like. The NG interview was a disgrace to everyone who wants to support a grieving mother who is in agony and is feeling guilt. Jennifer has managed to live her life with the defenses of denial and minimization - maybe that's how she, herself has survived. Her child was found encased in CEMENT...a crime more like the mafia rather than a pedophile....she has to deal with this tragedy in the best way she knows how.

:clap::clap:

Nancy seemed to be surprised when JB left the show. She even made a snide comment about it. Why would she stay if NG keeps saying things roughly like this, at least in spirit.

JB why are you such a horrible mother?
Why did you let a child molester near your kid? You know that makes you a horrible mother!
You obviously have no clue how to parent!
You never should have let her go outside without monitoring her so that makes you a horrible mother!
I have no sympathy for you because you're a horrible mother!
Did I mention you're a complete idiot and horrible mother?!

I'm not saying some of those things don't apply but why keep saying the same thing in different ways. We get it. She made some serious mistakes but how many times does she need to be told that? I think she gets it now, we all get it. Show a little sympathy and see what she thinks happened.

I'd be willing to bet that NG has made mistakes or will make mistakes that put her kids in jeopardy. Parents can't be 100% perfect. If one of those mistakes leads to a tragedy with her kids should she be vilified?

I'm not trying to make a comparison between NG and JB because JB was not close to a good parent but when a mistake leads to the worst possible conclusion don't always blame the parent. Is John Walsh an idiot for leaving his kid at the video game section of Sears? Does that mean he shouldn't be able to grieve? Parents do things that a 1000 times before were ok but one time it leads to the worst case scenario. JMO

I have been up too long. I don't understand the question, and that is all me. Are you asking how close NB was to the water, or how steep the drop is?

I think she's asking how far down is the water from the bank, does the water hit the top of the bank and lap up against the dirt or is the water a few inches down from the bank leaving some height between the bank and the water? After reading that I'm not sure I explained it correctly. :waitasec:

At least that's how I took it.

 

[Chilly Willy]

They live in the basement of the building. She has to go upstairs to get outside, maybe that is what is confusing.

No, JB specifically said that she watched Nevaeh go into Austin's apartment. At one time she said she watched from the bottom of the stairs, at another time she said she went up stairs with Nevaeh. I would like to know if anyone was home at that apartment at 6:30. If not, how could Jennifer possibly see Nevaeh enter? If so....what the heck happened? Did Nevaeh leave immediately after arriving?

 

[scandi]

Hi Steely Dan, I read here it is 90' from the road down to the edge of the river. I don't know where that poster got their info.

The only thing I have read about the edge of the bank is the water there is between 3 and 4 feet deep. I know that isn't what you asked. xox

 

[MissJames]

I'm not sure Grandma had a lot of choices. She, apparently, was the sole provider for the three of them, and worked for close to minimum wage at a local grocery store. What was she supposed to do, not go to work? It's easy to judge someone when we're not in their shoes.

Chilly,
I have to admit I laid awake last night troubled at my reaction to the grandma.
"There ,but for the Grace of God ,go I"
:blowkiss:

 

[Scarlett]

I think she's asking how far down is the water from the bank, does the water hit the top of the bank and lap up against the dirt or is the water a few inches down from the bank leaving some height between the bank and the water? After reading that I'm not sure I explained it correctly. :waitasec:

At least that's how I took it.

The upper part of the embankment, near the road, is quite a bit above the water. But where N was laid was within inches of the water. Not even a foot away from what I could see. And it was even with the water, not above it.

 

[Kat]

We did learn last night in an interview after the NG show and that is JB isn't pregnant at all. (I had heard that but now we can lay it to rest as a rumor).

I'm not going anywhere with this, just curious as to what anyone else thinks...

At about 1:36 in this video~ is that Sherry? What do you make of Sherry's expression while she listens?

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Nancy Grace Exclusive 6/8/2009 w/ Neveah's Mom.

As I said ~ just curious, I am not going anywhere with it.

Also can someone tell me who the young lady was with Jennifer last night in the green shirt and why she would be able to answer any questions and what part of the timeline she would have direct knowledge about?

TIA.

 

[Scarlett]

I am not sure where we put these things, but others have posted links to new missings in this thread. I am going to follow suit:

http://www.toledoonthemove.com/news/news_story.aspx?id=310280

 

[Scarlett]

We did learn last night in an interview after the NG show and that is JB isn't pregnant at all. (I had heard that but now we can lay it to rest as a rumor).

I'm not going anywhere with this, just curious as to what anyone else thinks...

At about 1:36 in this video~ is that Sherry? What do you make of Sherry's expression while she listens?

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Nancy Grace Exclusive 6/8/2009 w/ Neveah's Mom.

As I said ~ just curious, I am not going anywhere with it.

Also can someone tell me who the young lady was with Jennifer last night in the green shirt and why she would be able to answer any questions and what part of the timeline she would have direct knowledge about?

TIA.

That link showed a pic of James Easter and called him Roy Smith. These people really need to get their s*** together.

The girl in the green is Holly H-something. She is JB's friend. I think she was just trying to protect JB and take some heat off of her. NG was getting ridiculous.

I don't think Sherry was making a face that she hasn't made before. I have seen multiple interviews where she tips her head down and kind of widens her eyes like that. The first time I saw her make that face I thought it was strange and possibly significant. However, I later noticed that she made that face again and again, so I have kind of blown it off as just a strange expression of hers.

 

[Kat]

I am not sure where we put these things, but others have posted links to new missings in this thread. I am going to follow suit:

http://www.toledoonthemove.com/news/news_story.aspx?id=310280

Hi Scarlett it took me a while to understand where to post what on which missing thread in the Missing Forum.

New cases of Missing can/should be posted in the category (it's the first subforum in the missing forum) Missing Persons Information and Support ~ those threads are for information only and support of the family members and loved ones that come read here.

Then when we want to discuss the case in depth and the details of the case we start another thread in the Missing/Located Forum Discussion.

When a case gets very large Mods will create yet another sub forum for that case alone.

I hope that made sense

 

[doobiedoo52]

Sorry about the confusion on my question Scarlett. I am the wife of an avid fisherman and have been to many river banks lol. I was referring to the "landing area" where Nevaeh was buried. Pictures can be deceiving. If let's say you're standing right where she was buried and look down at the water--does the water come right up to the edge of the grass there OR is the bank where she is buried a solid piece of land several feet above the water line. That would make a huge difference on its accessibility from a boat. I hope that explains it better.

 

[bessie]

Also can someone tell me who the young lady was with Jennifer last night in the green shirt and why she would be able to answer any questions and what part of the timeline she would have direct knowledge about?

TIA.

Well, we'd have that answer if NG would've shut up long enough to let her speak.

I got the impression she was with JB that day. Maybe the friend who spent Saturday night at JB's apartment. She tried to say something in agreement with JB's statement that she had seen Neveah go upstairs, but NG shot her down before she could get it out.

 

[believe09]

don't you wonder why Jennifer kept Neveah? Really-I mean why did they work to keep her? Let's say CPS made it clear they wanted her out of the home-what was the motivation for Jennifer blocking Neveah moving on? I mean, she knowingly put her child at risk, right, with the company she kept and she couldn't be bothered to really watch her herself...at least on the surface that is how it appears to me.

Maybe if we figure out why some of these women insist on keeping the children they really don't seem to want we will figure out how to prevent some of the destruction that happens later....

 

[Peliman]

Sorry to interrupt, now posted in the mapping and timeline thread

Mapping, the addition of the beer can and known purchase store of Hi-Lite super market has given me another mapping point. Mapping points used and routes in purple are from "Charolette Arms" to Motel 7" to "Hi-Lite super market" to M-50 the only route taken to Dixon rd area where the body was found. You may draw your own conclusions over time. Purple is traced routes from location to location.

 

[momtective]

**Respectfully snipped**

At about 1:36 in this video~ is that Sherry? What do you make of Sherry's expression while she listens?

Also can someone tell me who the young lady was with Jennifer last night in the green shirt and why she would be able to answer any questions and what part of the timeline she would have direct knowledge about?

TIA.

It wasn't Sherry, I think her name is Holly.

 

[Scarlett]

Sorry about the confusion on my question Scarlett. I am the wife of an avid fisherman and have been to many river banks lol. I was referring to the "landing area" where Nevaeh was buried. Pictures can be deceiving. If let's say you're standing right where she was buried and look down at the water--does the water come right up to the edge of the grass there OR is the bank where she is buried a solid piece of land several feet above the water line. That would make a huge difference on its accessibility from a boat. I hope that explains it better.

there is no grass where the water meets the land...only dirt. but it is even with the water line, not above it.

 

[Scarlett]

It wasn't Sherry, I think her name is Holly.

I think she was talking about behind JB...Sherry was standing behind her and at 1:36 in the video she seemed to make a face.

 

[momtective]

I think she was talking about behind JB...Sherry was standing behind her and at 1:36 in the video she seemed to make a face.

Got cha! Thanks!

 

[believe09]

this case is shaping up to be too much like Rowan Ford's for me....

 

[Kat]

Sorry to interrupt, now posted in the mapping and timeline thread

Mapping, the addition of the beer can and known purchase store of Hi-Lite super market has given me another mapping point. Mapping points used and routes in purple are from "Charolette Arms" to Motel 7" to "Hi-Lite super market" to M-50 the only route taken to Dixon rd area where the body was found. You may draw your own conclusions over time. Purple is traced routes from location to location.

I have to ask Peliman a question everyone.

But first let me say to all that are reading this posting please don't think I'm focusing on H. Howerton as a suspect. I just always give a close look at anyone who shows up as a player in cases. No matter how small their part. I am of the opinion if you volunteer to give statements to national media and go on TV in connection with a case, well I'm going to look at you hard LOL.

I just found it interesting that the home address that I have found for Ms. Howerton is very close to the Hi-Lite Super Market that the reported beer (can) was reportedly purchased. That is *RUMOR* about the beer can until we can get confirmation.

Okay her address is listed as 6144 GREENWYCKE LN, MONROE, MI (sorry for the caps I'm copy and pasting)

The Hi-lite Super Market is listed as 15539 S Telegraph RdMonroe, MI 48161

Neveah's apartments address is : 1166 N Macomb St, Monroe, Michigan 48162

If you look at the distance between the super market and the address for H.H. it is 1.3 miles. Just thought I'd throw that out there. It probably means nothing but still...you never know.

Also when I did a search for her, she popped up as having an entry in Offenders Information - OTIS Michigan Department ~ but I went to that particular site and could not pull her up. She's not listed. I think there is a chance that the records are purged from the system if it's not a felony or sex offense? Not sure. Could be an incorrect hit? I don't have a paid site subscription.

Sorry, please don't think I'm pointing the finger at her for anything. I just wanted to check her out since she has given a statement to the press and was on NG last night with JB.

 

[impatientredhead]

I can't see any bond whatsoever between Nevaeh and her mother Jennifer. The rumor that Jennifer committed a robbery while 4 month old Nevaeh was left unattended in the get away vehicle say's a lot. The fact that Jennifer was incarcerated most of Nevaeh's life say's even more. I'm just guessing here but I think the relationship between the two at the time of Nevaeh's disappearance was simply a baby-sitter type relationship. Jennifer simply earned her keep at Sherry & Nevaeh's apartment, babysitting Nevaeh while Sherry worked to support all three of them. JMHO of course.
I suspect she was the type of horrible baby-sitter we all fear, self-serving, irresponsible and neglectful.
Sherry was the one who had the mother-daughter bond with little Nevaeh and my heart hurts deeply for this lady.

I have no idea if the daughter was with her or not but she definitely was not 4 months old. Her inmate sheet shows the offense in 8-06, sentenced in 12-06, 2 year minimum, released 1-26-09.