GUILTY MI - Ramsay Scrivo, 32, found dismembered, St Clair County, 27 Jan 2014 - #1

[SisterWolf]

[QUOTE} He was 32 and that's a bit old to experience his first "episode" with a psychotic type illness. [/QUOTE]

Um, not really. Perhaps nothing had ever been so bad as to trigger it before, like his father's death. Perhaps he'd had minor episodes in the past and his father's death resulted in a major one. Perhaps his mother also had a psychotic break after having to deal with the death of her husband AND a son who was having a psychotic break - they're both very stressful events that would send most people over the edge. As I said before, grief does strange things to the mind. You don't know how you'll cope with it until you've been through it, and even then, when it happens a second or a third time, it might be even worse. Grief can make you feel like you're going insane, it's not uncommon and is considered quite normal.

Authorities have also stated they don't have a motive and don't know how, why, or IF she killed him, just that she dismembered him (as they've found the tool she did it with). What kind of psychopath would dump trashbags out in the open in full view of everyone in broad daylight though? I don't think they would, they wouldn't want to get caught. Psychopaths are a bit more cunning than that. It's pretty clear she wasn't thinking rationally or clearly.

 

[CatladyAttny]

I hope they disclose more details after the arraignment. This is sounding super sketchy (not that a case involving a dismembered body would be anything less....)

 

[FiveFelines]

Authorities must believe that she killed him (not just dismembered and disposed of him), since she's being arraigned for murder.

 

[FiveFelines]

There is some interesting hearsay elsewhere on the Internet from people who supposedly knew the son, claiming that the mother was overbearing and demeaning to him, and that she was the one with "issues"--not him. Not linking it here, but you can find it easily enough by googling her.

The same source claims that the father died suddenly, possibly of a massive heart attack. My guess is that she had nothing to do with her husband's death, since she clearly couldn't get away with murdering her son.

 

[AstroKitty]

Her LinkedIn profile lists her as "director of clinical services at resources for transition"--whatever those are. That sounds like someone with a nursing and social work background, but I don't see what her degree is.

Maybe something like this? https://ncrtm.org/moodle/course/view.php?id=61

I think that means "transitional living" and that could be anything from drug rehabilitation to those that have been in a nursing home and are transitioning back to being alone. I suppose it depends on where she works.

 

[AstroKitty]

I have only been on the ground and working as a nurse (psych) for a year, but from what I have been taught .. 32 is a bit older than 90% of people who have psychotic episodes. At least male wise.

I tried to quote the person who disagreed but for some reason it screwed up

 

[AstroKitty]

I think this was already said but you can find all the court filings through Macomb County. it's all listed. Very odd stuff because it doesn't seem like her guardianship went anywhere and there is also another petition for "mentally ill".

The hearsay on various websites from those that are related and knew Ramsay makes this all the more sad. She appears to have been an overbearing and demeaning mother.

He is also noted as being 225 lbs. That's a big boy! By all accounts he was self sufficient and owned his own home. He wasn't married and hasn't ever been married, and he leaves behind no children. He seems to have been secondary educated too.

I know that people can hold a facade of having it all together and behind the mask they are suffering greatly with anything from mental illness to substance abuse issues. But those with either of those problems tend to exhibits what others deem has laziness or flakey. By all accounts Ramsay did OK for himself. His mother on the other hand has had one hell of a last year.

I'm very curious on how her husband passed. Everything I've read is that it was sudden and at home. Maybe it was a heart attack? But then I fall back to knowing she was a nurse and would know how to aide him.. of course that doesn't mean much in some cases or situations.

Then there's the fire..

I know this isn't a scientific finding, but her eyes have that "look" about them that isn't kind. If you've viewed her photos then you may agree with me. She literally looks evil.

 

[FiveFelines]

I don't know what this first case means, but it seems like she was suing a hospital (presumably her employer) for unemployment back in 2005.

http://macombcountymi.gov/eservices...vjiYYWoAMawNGfc8RGhECJ2ygakcfJCvc92EH413Sv0qQ

 

[FiveFelines]

I think this was already said but you can find all the court filings through Macomb County. it's all listed. Very odd stuff because it doesn't seem like her guardianship went anywhere and there is also another petition for "mentally ill".

The hearsay on various websites from those that are related and knew Ramsay makes this all the more sad. She appears to have been an overbearing and demeaning mother.

He is also noted as being 225 lbs. That's a big boy! By all accounts he was self sufficient and owned his own home. He wasn't married and hasn't ever been married, and he leaves behind no children. He seems to have been secondary educated too.

I know that people can hold a facade of having it all together and behind the mask they are suffering greatly with anything from mental illness to substance abuse issues. But those with either of those problems tend to exhibits what others deem has laziness or flakey. By all accounts Ramsay did OK for himself. His mother on the other hand has had one hell of a last year.

I'm very curious on how her husband passed. Everything I've read is that it was sudden and at home. Maybe it was a heart attack? But then I fall back to knowing she was a nurse and would know how to aide him.. of course that doesn't mean much in some cases or situations.

Then there's the fire..

I know this isn't a scientific finding, but her eyes have that "look" about them that isn't kind. If you've viewed her photos then you may agree with me. She literally looks evil.

I think she looks evil too. I hesitated to post that earlier, but now that she's in custody... She looks like an actress on "Deadly Women" IMO. Especially when she's smiling in those gas station stills.

I remain curious about the husband, but it's odd to me that she would have been able to kill him and get away with it and now she's literally throwing away her son's remains in brought daylight.

Whether or not the son had some mental health issues means very little to me. If he attacked her and she killed him in self defense, she could have called 911 and probably would not be held accountable. Instead, she dismembered him. That's not something most people would do if they "had" to kill their child in self defense.

 

[spiritseeker31]

Suspect has been moved to macomb county jail so they can watch her 24/7.
She reported her son missing - said he vanished into thin air. They believe she killed him. She tried to clean the crime scene. Cleaned the inside of home (so I assume that's the crime scene). Problems between mother and son have brought the police out in the past.
She has court at 2pm.

News Channel 4 Detroit - 11pm News.

 

[AstroKitty]

I just realized I'm friends and have toured with one of her family members! A post appeared on my dash that just confused me. Not a lot is being said other than total shock. Wow, what a small world.

 

[AstroKitty]

Suspect has been moved to macomb county jail so they can watch her 24/7.
She reported her son missing - said he vanished into thin air. They believe she killed him. She tried to clean the crime scene. Cleaned the inside of home (so I assume that's the crime scene). Problems between mother and son have brought the police out in the past.
She has court at 2pm.

News Channel 4 Detroit - 11pm News.

Do you know if there's a live stream of this? Or is there a link to their website (my google finger is lazy).

I do not put it past this woman to have killed her husband. She's a nurse, and she has access to things - more so if she was working triage. Embolism anyone?

 

[spiritseeker31]

Do you know if there's a live stream of this? Or is there a link to their website (my google finger is lazy).

I do not put it past this woman to have killed her husband. She's a nurse, and she has access to things - more so if she was working triage. Embolism anyone?

I had just turned on the news at 11 and caught the info. No live link. Their actual website doesn't have the updated info on it (http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region...case-where-body-was-dumped-in-st-clair-county).

I've since changed it over to Detroit 7 to see if they have anything more to say.

 

[AstroKitty]

I think she looks evil too. I hesitated to post that earlier, but now that she's in custody... She looks like an actress on "Deadly Women" IMO. Especially when she's smiling in those gas station stills.

I remain curious about the husband, but it's odd to me that she would have been able to kill him and get away with it and now she's literally throwing away her son's remains in brought daylight.

Whether or not the son had some mental health issues means very little to me. If he attacked her and she killed him in self defense, she could have called 911 and probably would not be held accountable. Instead, she dismembered him. That's not something most people would do if they "had" to kill their child in self defense.

Glad to know I wasn't alone in seeing that about her! When I was given a link to her fb yesterday, I was of course curious as to who she is and what she looks like. The second I viewed her photo I got creeped out. Her eyes look like shark eyes and her entire face appeared menacing. I had went through a ton of scenarios in my mind on what could make a mother harm her child and do the unthinkable - chop them up and burn them.

I don't feel there's an "excuse" for murder but I'm realistic and know that if someone came at me in a threatening manner and I knew I was about to be killed or kill them - I would protect myself. I can't wrap my mind around my child making me have that decision but no less, I tried to imagine the aftermath. No where in that thought process did "chop up the body and burn things but pretend he's missing" come up. That is beyond inhumane. The fact that she would put her family through an ordeal of him missing, a person who seems to have been rather dependable, and all the while he's in his home deceased.

I think he had to have been moved post death because police would have come to his house after the missing persons report was filed, right? So where was he during this time? And why burn papers?Unless they were used to start the fire .. but even then, why put them in the trash that his body was also in?

Let me break down what we know:

Mom reports son missing, stating that he vanished into thin air
*this means she concocted a story to tell police and at that time he was already deceased.

Mom then burns things, clothing and papers

Mom then chops up his body and places it into several bags.

Mom then drives down 94 and gets off on an exit and begins to toss out bags that have his body. She leaves one bag by the exit. A passerby notices his head fall out of a bag. Some limbs and parts weren't even IN a bag, they were simply tossed.

Moments prior, Mom is seen smiling on camera at a gas station.

This is the behavior of someone who doesn't care. She could have done many things after she murdered him; she could have buried him, she could have left him in his house and staged it to look like a robbery gone bad - any number of things..

Instead though, she cut him up into several bits and threw him out like trash. This was a son who allowed his mom to live with him (I'm guessing for free) while she remodeled her home. It looks as though she lived there over 6 months. A grown man with his mom at home...

I do not have even an inkling of a good feeling about her and her personality

 

[spiritseeker31]

Lots of info in this article that was updated 30 minutes ago. One limb is still missing. http://www.freep.com/article/20140202/NEWS05/302020138/woman-dismemberment-case-body-parts-son

Last May 10, on the day he turned 32, Ramsay Scrivo’s mother dedicated a Rascal Flatts song on her public Facebook page to her youngest son that said she hoped all his dreams came true.

My wish, for you, is that this life becomes all that you want it to. ... And while you're out there getting where you're getting to, I hope you know somebody loves you, and wants the same things too.

 

[FiveFelines]

Glad to know I wasn't alone in seeing that about her! When I was given a link to her fb yesterday, I was of course curious as to who she is and what she looks like. The second I viewed her photo I got creeped out. Her eyes look like shark eyes and her entire face appeared menacing. I had went through a ton of scenarios in my mind on what could make a mother harm her child and do the unthinkable - chop them up and burn them.

I don't feel there's an "excuse" for murder but I'm realistic and know that if someone came at me in a threatening manner and I knew I was about to be killed or kill them - I would protect myself. I can't wrap my mind around my child making me have that decision but no less, I tried to imagine the aftermath. No where in that thought process did "chop up the body and burn things but pretend he's missing" come up. That is beyond inhumane. The fact that she would put her family through an ordeal of him missing, a person who seems to have been rather dependable, and all the while he's in his home deceased.

I think he had to have been moved post death because police would have come to his house after the missing persons report was filed, right? So where was he during this time? And why burn papers?Unless they were used to start the fire .. but even then, why put them in the trash that his body was also in?

Let me break down what we know:

Mom reports son missing, stating that he vanished into thin air
*this means she concocted a story to tell police and at that time he was already deceased.

Mom then burns things, clothing and papers

Mom then chops up his body and places it into several bags.

Mom then drives down 94 and gets off on an exit and begins to toss out bags that have his body. She leaves one bag by the exit. A passerby notices his head fall out of a bag. Some limbs and parts weren't even IN a bag, they were simply tossed.

Moments prior, Mom is seen smiling on camera at a gas station.

This is the behavior of someone who doesn't care. She could have done many things after she murdered him; she could have buried him, she could have left him in his house and staged it to look like a robbery gone bad - any number of things..

Instead though, she cut him up into several bits and threw him out like trash. This was a son who allowed his mom to live with him (I'm guessing for free) while she remodeled her home. It looks as though she lived there over 6 months. A grown man with his mom at home...

I do not have even an inkling of a good feeling about her and her personality

She looks quite scary to me, not that she can help what she looks like, of course. The "disposal" behavior is far from cunning (as one might be if killing a spouse and making it look like a heart attack). Who knows?

Re the burned papers: am I correct in remembering that his remains were charred? So she attempted to burn the body at some point? Ack.

 

[Marg from Oz]

I'm wondering if Ramsey was left a substantial amount in his father's will. Donna tried to have him committed to a psych hospital and become his guardian thus having control of his finances. That didn't work, so she disabled him somehow. Possibly drugged him. He was a big boy so I can't see her over powering him if he was not drugged. Then reported him missing. Wanted him to be found so he could be declared dead and she would then she would have all his money and house to boot. I'm sure she didn't think she would be caught. Wonder if they will reopen her husband's autopsy. `JMO

 

[AstroKitty]

She looks quite scary to me, not that she can help what she looks like, of course. The "disposal" behavior is far from cunning (as one might be if killing a spouse and making it look like a heart attack). Who knows?

Re the burned papers: am I correct in remembering that his remains were charred? So she attempted to burn the body at some point? Ack.

I don't know if his remains were charred but someone who found Ramsays' head remarked that he was african american and it later came out that he was white. That led several of us to believe he had been burned. It's also possible he was discolored from decomposition too.

And she looks very scary, very. I didn't see one single photo where her face didn't look malicious. There's a lot of murderesses that we see on here who don't look "crazed" or like a killer. She on the other hand looks every bit the villainess.

 

[AstroKitty]

I'm wondering if Ramsey was left a substantial amount in his father's will. Donna tried to have him committed to a psych hospital and become his guardian thus having control of his finances. That didn't work, so she disabled him somehow. Possibly drugged him. He was a big boy so I can't see her over powering him if he was not drugged. Then reported him missing. Wanted him to be found so he could be declared dead and she would then she would have all his money and house to boot. I'm sure she didn't think she would be caught. Wonder if they will reopen her husband's autopsy. `JMO

I tried to dig around (I suck at sleuthing) to see if there was a hint to how he passed. Usually when someone dies of diabetes, heart attack, heart disease or cancer.. things like that, there is a mention in the obit to make donations towards one of those causes representing what aided in the untimely death. I didn't see a mention anywhere. That doesn't mean a whole lot but I figured I'd toss out my non-findings.

What you bring up is valid and a reasonable thought, more so given how incredibly awful Ramsay's demise and body were treated. If the father had a will and in that will he left his wife the house and some money but his sons a bulk of it - it's highly possible this was money motivated. The fire is a big big red flag to me. Maybe I'm just jaded from reading true crime forums, but if Donna was experiencing financial strain after his death and chose to burn her home for insurance purposes but the pay out was slow and not close to enough ... maybe she got desperate?

Maybe the plan was to burn the entire house but the fire dept got there sooner.

Maybe Donna tried to burn Ramsay's house too and that's why there were charred remains of paper and things with his corpse?

Seems fire has been a running theme with Donna lately.

 

[spiritseeker31]

Unfortunately the father's United States Social Security Death Index doesn't have the reason for death listed
Still looking though..