GUILTY MI - Ramsay Scrivo, 32, found dismembered, St Clair County, 27 Jan 2014 - #1

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  • #261
May I post Ramsay's public record info on here?

It doesn't show much other than his addresses over the years. It may show or may not show how long he lived with his parents and when he moved to his own home.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KTBC-WCK
 
  • #262
I tried to dig around (I suck at sleuthing) to see if there was a hint to how he passed. Usually when someone dies of diabetes, heart attack, heart disease or cancer.. things like that, there is a mention in the obit to make donations towards one of those causes representing what aided in the untimely death. I didn't see a mention anywhere. That doesn't mean a whole lot but I figured I'd toss out my non-findings.

What you bring up is valid and a reasonable thought, more so given how incredibly awful Ramsay's demise and body were treated. If the father had a will and in that will he left his wife the house and some money but his sons a bulk of it - it's highly possible this was money motivated. The fire is a big big red flag to me. Maybe I'm just jaded from reading true crime forums, but if Donna was experiencing financial strain after his death and chose to burn her home for insurance purposes but the pay out was slow and not close to enough ... maybe she got desperate?

Maybe the plan was to burn the entire house but the fire dept got there sooner.

Maybe Donna tried to burn Ramsay's house too and that's why there were charred remains of paper and things with his corpse?

Seems fire has been a running theme with Donna lately.

This likely has nothing to do with anything, but did you see the meme on her FB page from last year (before her husband died, which would make it before her house fire)? It's about a documentary on Detroit firefighters and has a quote that most of their cases are arson.

Also ironically, there is a meme right after that about "death to winter" that shows a snowman stuck full of knives. She made a quip that "with all the controversy about guns, I thought I'd use knives." :eek:

Financial gain could certainly be a motive. She also has another son; if my googling results are correct, he was a firefighter on disability for on-the-job injuries.
 
  • #263
Her other son lives in NOLA, far removed from her. I just know of his first name (and obvious last name) but little else. Maybe the reason she targeted Ramsay was because he lived near?

I just fear this was for financial gain. I keep trying to think of papers that she would burn or a reason for them, but I'm coming up empty. What's the point in burning documents when almost everything is now on a computer data base? Every legal document is digital, so what's the point? Birth records, death records, law suits and the list goes on, they are all digitalized and then put onto paper, not the other way around. I can only guess that the charred papers were from trying to ignite the corpse or possibly on him when he died (as in, in his pockets). I'm going to also guess he wasn't naked when she murdered him, so naturally he would be dressed - making it possible that he had papers in his wallet or in his pockets.

I've read a lot about murders but for some reason this case is sticking to me, I have no idea why it sets itself apart from the gazillion others I've commented upon. I'm a mother of two sons, I can't imagine harming a head on their heads and they are teens lol. I can't imagine cutting one up, burning him and tossing him to the roadside. I can't imagine lying to family about him being missing either.

What is odd is that her last facebook update (that we can see) is a missing persons poster, almost exactly 1 month prior to Ramsay's death. That is her last post. Now, with her son being reported missing by her - don't you all think she should have been posting up a frenzy about "find my son!", more so given how much of a family person she appeared to be? A bit odd huh? If she reported him missing on the 26th, then I'm going to guess he was most likely murdered between the 22nd and 25th, because you have to wait 24-48 hours before reporting an adult as missing, correct? And she attempted to dispose of him a week later? That means poor Ramsay lay dead in god knows what kind of condition, this entire time. :(

That brings into question what state his remains were in when they were found. Since LE is pulling fingerprints, he wasn't in too bad of shape as far as decomposition goes. I'm wondering if she had kept him frozen and also didn't dispose of him earlier because of the bad weather? I can't believe the places this case is making my mind go.

And with this lull in reporting their names or publishing her mugshot... because they are waiting to get ahold of family. Her husband is deceased so that leaves her other son, Ramsay's brother. Can no one get ahold of him?
 
  • #264
Awww. Most people or maybe just me thought it was Ramsay that may have had a mental disorder at first and mom cracked and could no longer handle it. It might be mom had a mental disorder instead since the facts are coming out. No matter what, RIP Ramsay, rip.

Mom did not try to hide her ID or actions when dumping her son's body in many places. That's a big clue.

Guess time will tell the facts. Terribly sad. I feel for his brother.
 
  • #265
I find it interesting that Ramsay's FB page was flooded with posts from his mother until last year. In August (not long after she tried to become his guardian) he posted about "trusting the right people" and "moving to Mexico as soon as I can." And she no longer appears to be his FB friend, although they were still living together.

The brother may currently live in NOLA, but the info I found has him in MI as a firefighter last year, unless it's a different person. Doesn't really matter, I guess.

This case makes me sad.
 
  • #266
I think a mugshot will be released after court tomorrow at 2pm.

I'm really torn on what to think. She's the crazy one, I don't believe he was - even with a trip to the hospital. She may have had ulterior motives all this time and ended up flipping out. There is no way anyone in their right mind would cut someone up and then blatantly dump the parts on the side of the road one afternoon in broad daylight.

I wish I could go up and sit in on the court appearance.
 
  • #267
I just can't get over her smile in those security camera stills. To me, that's a) a sign of a major mental break, b) someone putting on a show for the outside world, or c) someone with no conscience. None of those options are very comforting.
 
  • #268
Yeah, I have a very hard time with people that go to the trouble of dismembering someone. I can't even fathom it. It's an unbelievable act and just the most horrific thing I think you could do to a body when it would be easier imo, to bury them (it isn't AZ dirt fgs). Why dismember? Guess I better go read the shrinks view on it. smh
 
  • #269
I think it's our human nature to believe she had a mental break and that's why she's smiling in the photos. Personally I think she's smiling because it's out of habit for her to be polite. Most people that have had a nervous breakdown or a psychotic episode will not harm others, they usually harm themselves. And a person who is having a nervous breakdown will not go to great lengths to dispose of a body by desecrating the corpse, driving away from their home and dumping it on a road them deemed less traveled upon ... a week AFTER they commit murder. Most people having a break wouldn't have the ability to plan a crime both before and after. She planned the after, that much we know. She called the cops to say he was missing (this in her mind making it where she was the grieving mother, not a suspect) and then waited 6 days to get rid of the remains.

This was a coherent process that she chose to do for her benefit, not Ramsay's. She didn't call the cops and state "I lost it and hurt my son". Nope. She was thinking about herself and her life, he was simply in her way.
 
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I saw on RS face book page a weird post about trust and moving to Mexico. Then to have his mother cut him up cartel style . I am kinda thinking this is premeditated.

I wondered if she would have gotten more money from Social security for an mentally incompetent child.
I wonder what assets her husband had ,and what he might have left to RS that DS wanted.

I firmly believe this woman to have planned this and that she has a motive. The reason she was able to toss him out like she did was because she has no empathy and wanted it to look like a Mexican cartel did this , which is why some parts are not in bags and why her sons head was on the exit ramp. She put some thought into and I bet the S.S worker was duped .
 
  • #272
I think it's our human nature to believe she had a mental break and that's why she's smiling in the photos. Personally I think she's smiling because it's out of habit for her to be polite. Most people that have had a nervous breakdown or a psychotic episode will not harm others, they usually harm themselves. And a person who is having a nervous breakdown will not go to great lengths to dispose of a body by desecrating the corpse, driving away from their home and dumping it on a road them deemed less traveled upon ... a week AFTER they commit murder. Most people having a break wouldn't have the ability to plan a crime both before and after. She planned the after, that much we know. She called the cops to say he was missing (this in her mind making it where she was the grieving mother, not a suspect) and then waited 6 days to get rid of the remains.

This was a coherent process that she chose to do for her benefit, not Ramsay's. She didn't call the cops and state "I lost it and hurt my son". Nope. She was thinking about herself and her life, he was simply in her way.

What greater way to have a perfect life. No past to have haunt you. But she was surely stupid doing it. Delusional actually to think she pulled it off. What was her past like? Two sons who loved her but didn't want to be facebook friends with her either isn't much but it appears there was some distancing too. Hope it all comes out soon but it might take some time to put it altogether. I'll wait.
 
  • #273
I saw on RS face book page a weird post about trust and moving to Mexico. Then to have his mother cut him up cartel style . I am kinda thinking this is premeditated.

I wondered if she would have gotten more money from Social security for an mentally incompetent child.
I wonder what assets her husband had ,and what he might have left to RS that DS wanted.

I firmly believe this woman to have planned this and that she has a motive. The reason she was able to toss him out like she did was because she has no empathy and wanted it to look like a Mexican cartel did this , which is why some parts are not in bags and why her sons head was on the exit ramp. She put some thought into and I bet the S.S worker was duped .
I don't think she was smart enough or streetish enough to believe she could pin this on a cartel. If she was going that way she would have driven to Detroit and left him in an area that the cartel's are heavier. I agree with everything else you have said though.
 
  • #274
What greater way to have a perfect life. No past to have haunt you. But she was surely stupid doing it. Delusional actually to think she pulled it off. What was her past like? Two sons who loved her but didn't want to be facebook friends with her either isn't much but it appears there was some distancing too. Hope it all comes out soon but it might take some time to put it altogether. I'll wait.

Good points! Granted I was hesitant to add my mom, but I'm also vulgar and talk about things that she would want to tsk tsk me at ;) But I still added her in the end. For her to have 2 kids that seem to have the rest of the family on their FB but not her, that speaks volumes.

I really think it's going to come out that she's been less than a stellar mom - less than what she has seemed, and more like the monster we now know.

Another twist in this and why there's such a delay in her name being put in MSM, maybe she has familial ties to someone in office?
 
  • #275
I wonder if she was still employed. Anyone know?
 
  • #276
I don't think she was smart enough or streetish enough to believe she could pin this on a cartel. If she was going that way she would have driven to Detroit and left him in an area that the cartel's are heavier. I agree with everything else you have said though.

She might not have been street smart enough to pull it off ,but the narcissist she is, believed she could.

So Ramsey post about moving to Mexico a few months back on facebook , and someone comments about it being dangerous . If I saw my son posting about moving to a place I would check it out.

So somewhere in her recent education I think she learned something she pulled out when she thought it would be useful.

Maybe not.
 
  • #277
BBM
Sunday, two candles sat on the porch in front of Ramsay Scrivo’s home. A U.S. flag flew over the unit’s red front door.
http://www.freep.com/article/20140202/NEWS05/302020138/woman-dismemberment-case-body-parts-son

Image - Video Screen Shot - Gary Lane Residence: http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...tion/-/1719418/24238706/-/68nqas/-/index.html

Image - Video Screen Shot - Rosedale Street residence: http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/24609934/arrest-made-in-st-clair-co-dismemberment

Gary Lane Residence - Google: Image date October 2009
http://goo.gl/maps/7XmM5

Rosedale Street Residence - Google: Image date July2012
http://goo.gl/maps/VWIkD
 

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  • #278
Knowing a person knows what you are doing on fb is a big hint, your account isn't private to all. just saying Family, friends, friends of friends, etc...it gets passed around.

I'll never understand for the life of me why people have and still are so eager to post their lives on fb. jmo
 
  • #279
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Image - Video Screen Shot - Gary Lane Residence: http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...tion/-/1719418/24238706/-/68nqas/-/index.html

Image - Video Screen Shot - Rosedale Street residence: http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/24609934/arrest-made-in-st-clair-co-dismemberment

Gary Lane Residence - Google: Image date October 2009
http://goo.gl/maps/7XmM5

Rosedale Street Residence - Google: Image date July2012
http://goo.gl/maps/VWIkD

Looking at these pics of her home and her sons condo I wonder where in the world she dismembered him. Very close neighbors. I guess I was assuming she used a power tool since she is an older lady and I would think it would be extremely difficult to do otherwise. I wonder if either place has a basement.
 
  • #280
Looking at these pics of her home and her sons condo I wonder where in the world she dismembered him. Very close neighbors. I guess I was assuming she used a power tool since she is an older lady and I would think it would be extremely difficult to do otherwise. I wonder if either place has a basement.
It appears the Rosedale house has a basement as you can clearly see windows and sills along the bottom of the home on the right side next to the driveway.
 
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