GUILTY MI - Ramsay Scrivo, 32, found dismembered, St Clair County, 27 Jan 2014 - #1

[pieper4]

Yup. The Free Press is right on top of this... adding more details pretty regularly.

 

[zwiebel]

He had his tooth crowned because he thought someone had implanted a speaker in his original. And was paranoid about people trying to poison him.

This is going to be one of those cases, I know it. The family may be torn apart, I think.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2014302030043

 

[fran]

I wonder if when she reported him missing, he really was missing to her? Then she may have found him having committed suicide? So she didn't want anyone to know? or whatever so she cut him up?

I dunno, who does that?

Terrible situation.
JMHO
fran

 

[SieSie]

yes one sec.. I will also put those links in the opening post:seeya: give me a few minutes

Thank you so much, nurse!! :blowkiss:

 

[SStarr33]

I wonder if when she reported him missing, he really was missing to her? Then she may have found him having committed suicide? So she didn't want anyone to know? or whatever so she cut him up?

I dunno, who does that?

Terrible situation.
JMHO
fran

If he did kill himself, that would be her third loss in a year. Her mom, husband and then son. Could have pushed her over the edge??

 

[AstroKitty]

I want to explain something about the blanket diagnosis in the media, IE: psychosis. A person can have a nervous breakdown and it's called "psychosis". I know it's stated he was paranoid, but that doesn't mean schizophrenic. The one thing that does bother me is his sudden "psychosis" and going off his meds to which he felt a speaker had been implanted in his tooth.

To give some background, when a person has a sincere nervous breakdown, the are filled with desire to harm themselves, anxiety, lack of sleep and even go catatonic. This doesn't mean the condition stays, it means it's brought about by intense emotional trauma or stress levels. Their breaking point has been reached. It's like a form of emotional shock. The body becomes overloaded and simply either shuts down or goes into autopilot mode.

The bit about a speaker in his tooth, please keep an open mind. We don't know the meds he was on and chose to go off cold turkey. If you have ever been on an SSRI and went off of it, then you know the "brain zaps", the confused feelings and insomnia that follows. Many people are uneducated on how to stop and start anti-psychotics, anti-depressants or anti-anxiety meds. Most people have no idea that benzo's (xanax, valium, kpins, ativan) can result into death. Benzo's and alcohol are the ONLY TWO drugs that can cause death from rapid detox. The only two (the rest just make you wish you could die because it sucks so bad). Often times the rapid detox from any mental/emotional med will make people "lose it" and often they have a psychotic episode of some sort.

I'll use myself as an example:

When my daughter passed on (stillbirth), I had to be medicated. I was put on paxil and xanax as well as ambien. I had NO idea how to take this stuff and after 3 months I felt better, so I quit taking paxil. I don't remember anything for 72 hours. Apparently I sliced my wrists, attempted to hang myself and went into a state of shock. I woke up in the ER with a lecture on medication withdrawal. Apparently during my black out I had accused my ex of trying to kill me because I failed him. Literally babbling nonsense. I have no history of mental illness before then or after.

I have also went cold turkey off of xanax after 10 years, it was scary to say the least.

My point is, don't buy into the theory that Ramsay was possibly a lunatic of sorts. This is the media, it is sensational and rarely are the people experiencing psychosis a danger to others - but they are almost always a dangers to themselves.

 

[zwiebel]

From things I have seen posted on another thread, it sounds as though Ramsey had a serious mental condition with escalating anger and a refusal to take his medication - if what that latest article says is true. It would say a lot about him.

But the dismemberment also says a heck of a lot too.

 

[AstroKitty]

I wonder if when she reported him missing, he really was missing to her? Then she may have found him having committed suicide? So she didn't want anyone to know? or whatever so she cut him up?

I dunno, who does that?

Terrible situation.
JMHO
fran

With that in mind; who on earth chops up and disposes of a body (their son no less) if it's a suicide? The after-effect is what makes me think this is murder 1

 

[Marg from Oz]

Maybe in her psychotic state she didn't want to pay for a funeral so she just got rid of the body in the best way she could. He was a large man so she wouldn't have been able to move him on her own. I say psychotic because what sane person would cut up a body? It ws reported that he also was psychotic and thought he was being poisoned. Maybe he was...by his mother.

Another thought. He had threatened suicide before. He could have killed himself and she had a beakdown and couldn't face another funeral. I know this all seems crazy but I think she was crazy

 

[zwiebel]

The moves she made immediately her husband died to get her son hospitalized imply she either knew she could not cope, or did not want to be alone with him. But then, why move into her son's home?

 

[AstroKitty]

... but wouldn't she bury it? Why on earth drive around and carelessly dump bits of your SON (your baby!) all over without care?

 

[spiritseeker31]

I want to explain something about the blanket diagnosis in the media, IE: psychosis. A person can have a nervous breakdown and it's called "psychosis". I know it's stated he was paranoid, but that doesn't mean schizophrenic. The one thing that does bother me is his sudden "psychosis" and going off his meds to which he felt a speaker had been implanted in his tooth.

To give some background, when a person has a sincere nervous breakdown, the are filled with desire to harm themselves, anxiety, lack of sleep and even go catatonic. This doesn't mean the condition stays, it means it's brought about by intense emotional trauma or stress levels. Their breaking point has been reached. It's like a form of emotional shock. The body becomes overloaded and simply either shuts down or goes into autopilot mode.

The bit about a speaker in his tooth, please keep an open mind. We don't know the meds he was on and chose to go off cold turkey. If you have ever been on an SSRI and went off of it, then you know the "brain zaps", the confused feelings and insomnia that follows. Many people are uneducated on how to stop and start anti-psychotics, anti-depressants or anti-anxiety meds. Most people have no idea that benzo's (xanax, valium, kpins, ativan) can result into death. Benzo's and alcohol are the ONLY TWO drugs that can cause death from rapid detox. The only two (the rest just make you wish you could die because it sucks so bad). Often times the rapid detox from any mental/emotional med will make people "lose it" and often they have a psychotic episode of some sort.

I'll use myself as an example:

When my daughter passed on (stillbirth), I had to be medicated. I was put on paxil and xanax as well as ambien. I had NO idea how to take this stuff and after 3 months I felt better, so I quit taking paxil. I don't remember anything for 72 hours. Apparently I sliced my wrists, attempted to hang myself and went into a state of shock. I woke up in the ER with a lecture on medication withdrawal. Apparently during my black out I had accused my ex of trying to kill me because I failed him. Literally babbling nonsense. I have no history of mental illness before then or after.

I have also went cold turkey off of xanax after 10 years, it was scary to say the least.

My point is, don't buy into the theory that Ramsay was possibly a lunatic of sorts. This is the media, it is sensational and rarely are the people experiencing psychosis a danger to others - but they are almost always a dangers to themselves.

Wow, thanks for sharing.
Now I see why doctors say not to stop taking certain meds. Be right back...

 

[zwiebel]

'They had a pretty good relationship and were pretty close..I thought'

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/...ed-with-abusing-corpse-in-son-s-dismemberment

 

[pieper4]

... but wouldn't she bury it? Why on earth drive around and carelessly dump bits of your SON (your baby!) all over without care?

Is the ground frozen in MI? Maybe that's why? IDK. It's all too weird...

 

[zwiebel]

... but wouldn't she bury it? Why on earth drive around and carelessly dump bits of your SON (your baby!) all over without care?

I just cannot imagine. I can't imagine doing that to animals I have lost. Or even dead wildlife I have found and buried. It is incomprehensible.

 

[AstroKitty]

The ground is frozen there, which is why I think she chopped him up but don't forget about that "burning papers" and items as well. It *sounds like she attempted to burn him first, and then she cut him up. The person who found Ramsay's head had thought it belonged to an African American male. This leads us to believe his skin was darker and there's only a few things that can cause that.

I think everyone is wanting to find the greater good in her, and that's normal but she is NOT normal. A normal person doesn't do this their family. A normal person doesn't lie to LE and state that their deceased child is "missing". A normal person doesn't put on a show. A normal person doesn't sit around with a dead body for at least 4 days. A normal person doesn't burn /cut a corpse and then drive a few exits down and just dump him out ...

some of his body was IN a bag and some of his limbs were just TOSSED. They have 1 limb that has not been recovered. There is no finding the greater good in her. She did the lowest thing a person can do, she harmed her child and desecrated his corpse to BENEFIT HER LIE

 

[pharmchick]

A couple of things that aren't really adding up or don't make sense to me... (Pardon my rambling as I find myself getting very involved in yet another WS case).

One thing on RS's FB that has sort of stood out to me is a post that says "Mongoloid, and proud of it" from 8/28/12 - https://www.facebook.com/rscrivo1

(Sorry, I know we're supposed to paraphrase, but I didn't know how else to state 5 words!)

I'm wondering what RS meant by that. The only uses I know of mongoloid are to describe an Asian appearance, or as a derogatory term for people with Down's Syndrome or another similar disability.

RS seems to have done pretty well for himself, in any case. He earned a college degree and was employed with his own home. However, the Detroit FP article from earlier today states that his parents still paid half of his living expenses and his mom helped him pay his bills... I'm just having trouble rectifying all of this info.

I know that sometimes mental disabilities can go hand in hand with psychiatric issues. I'm wondering if that came into play at all here? What this mother did was totally horrific and unjustifiable... but like others here have said, maybe she snapped after the death of her mother and her husband, plus the additional stresses of being a major caregiver for her son?

I'm also having trouble rectifying the information about her husband's death. Many articles are saying terminal illness or long illness, but there is no mention of either in the obituary (I'll often see obits state "died at home after a long illness" of something similar). Also, many of the comments on DS's fb when she posted about her husband's death used the word "shocked" specifically. Would you be shocked about someone with a terminal illness passing away? I would expect comments more along the lines of "at least he's not suffering anymore", or etc.

I'm also finding it strange that there are not very many pictures of her husband on her FB (especially since posting pictures was one of her most regular activities). She also posts lots of things about the health of other people (Mr. so-and-so's daughter wants you to know he's out of the hospital now, as well as lots of posts about her family member's breast cancer and breast cancer awareness in general), but nothing about her husband's supposedly long/terminal illness.

These 2 things just aren't adding up for me... I guess we will all be waiting patiently for more details. I'm just completely morbidly fascinated about what would drive a mother to do this to her son. It's also very hinky about the husband's death plus the house fire plus this all within the year... JMO and all that. (And none of this is meant to be insensitive! Just observations.)

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

February 3, 2014 at 4:26 pm

St. Clair Shores woman charged with abusing corpse in son's dismemberment

Detroit News staff and wire reports

A Macomb County woman was charged today with mutilating and illegally removing a corpse after her 32-year-old son’s body parts were found in bags along roadways.

Donna Scrivo, 59, of St. Clair Shores was arraigned on the charges related to her son’s corpse. The remains of Ramsay Scrivo were found Thursday.

Macomb County Probate Judge Carl Marlinga told the Associated Press that Donna Scrivo petitioned last May for “temporary guardianship on an emergency basis because her son was suicidal and despondent over the illness of his father,” who later died...

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140203/METRO03/302030088#ixzz2sITA71zl

 

[pieper4]

I know LE has said they are investigating a murder here. I am NOT looking for 'good' in this mother, at all. But aside from being hacked up and dumped like fish heads after a charter boat outing, we're not privvy to why suicide has been ruled out. Or if we are, I've missed it. She didn't confess to murder, otherwise she would have been charged w/it today...
Maybe lack of Mr. S-related pics/posts is due to them having been removed from her wall after his death. Maybe the lack is somehow related to the attny she seemed to have her eyes on/met with in the courtroom (but not representing her today)... who *appears* to primarily practice family law/divorces. Maybe life wasn't all rosy in the S household well before Mr. S's death. Conflicting info thus far on 'terminal illness' vs 'sudden death' adds to the mire.
I can barely dispose of a deceased betta fish. I can't remove giblets from a turkey bare-handed. I cannot fathom, ever, dismembering a human.

 

[Dr. Know?]

I know LE has said they are investigating a murder here. I am NOT looking for 'good' in this mother, at all. But aside from being hacked up and dumped like fish heads after a charter boat outing, we're not privvy to why suicide has been ruled out. Or if we are, I've missed it. She didn't confess to murder, otherwise she would have been charged w/it today...
Maybe lack of Mr. S-related pics/posts is due to them having been removed from her wall after his death. Maybe the lack is somehow related to the attny she seemed to have her eyes on/met with in the courtroom (but not representing her today)... who *appears* to primarily practice family law/divorces. Maybe life wasn't all rosy in the S household well before Mr. S's death. Conflicting info thus far on 'terminal illness' vs 'sudden death' adds to the mire.
I can barely dispose of a deceased betta fish. I can't remove giblets from a turkey bare-handed. I cannot fathom, ever, dismembering a human.

Not trying to be funny but I either buy chicken breasts or a whole chicken. Not my cup of tea cutting up a chicken. jmo