GUILTY MI - Ramsay Scrivo, 32, found dismembered, St Clair County, 27 Jan 2014 - #1

[pieper4]

Like any of us, unflattering photos are... well, unflattering. So I can't comment on hers. LOL.

 

[KBL100]

Since this is local for us, my husband has listened to me read many of the articles aloud... he had this thought about the murder/dismemberment:

What if.... after the dad died in May, the son (RS) wanted to move back in with his Mom (DS) so as not to be alone. What if she said no. Maybe he (RS) set the fire to her house so that she would be forced to move in with him, so he would not be alone... Then maybe she found out that he set the fire, which set her off because she lost her mom in January, her husband in May, and then the house they lived in in September...

Just a thought and by no means excusing her atrocious behavior!

I was thinking along these lines last night, but the other way around. What if Mom wanted him to move in with her and he refused. Maybe she started the fire to be forced to live with him. If she was "controlling" like we've heard that could fit......but then she got rid of him for some reason I just can't figure out.

 

[pharmchick]

Like any of us, unflattering photos are... well, unflattering. So I can't comment on hers. LOL.

Haha. Fair enough. There are some charming ones of me out there I'm sure.

I will be the first to admit I can sometimes be quite judgey - but I'm not even trying to snark on her appearance here. Just watching her at the arraignment this morning versus how... I guess, normal she looked in all of her photos, how normal her family life looked from the outside. Thinking to myself, my God, this woman looks like she has gone over the edge, and this was likely the last thing her son saw. I'm not finding it hard to believe that she's done this, I'm just so unsettled by why.

I come from a family with a lot of mental illness that probably also looked relatively "normal" on the outside, so I'm probably getting over-invested... I think I'm so into crime and missing persons stories because I feel like any of us are really only one or two opportunities/decisions/misfortunes away from any other of us and it gets to me, if that makes sense.

 

[pieper4]

I totally get you on this pharmchick. It's a horrid picture, but I agree. There's something unsettling about her demeanor in that footage. Beyond just lack of sleep...

 

[AstroKitty]

has the family released any sort of statement?

 

[Minou]

After watching the press conference...

This woman for sure murdered her poor son.

Obviously the husband/fathers death was a catalyst for everything that happened here.

I think the reason this blows my mind so much is that it's all so horrific.
My god... I cannot fathom what she has done. Just sickening.

The press conference won't confirm that all body parts have been found and that they are waiting on toxicology. The cops look so disgusted and uncomfortable during this.

She is DONE.

imoo

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Wow. This picture... Chills me to the bone.

That is one skeery-looking lady

 

[AstroKitty]

Im trying to imagine what her pissed off face looks like

 

[janx]

I want to explain something about the blanket diagnosis in the media, IE: psychosis. A person can have a nervous breakdown and it's called "psychosis". I know it's stated he was paranoid, but that doesn't mean schizophrenic. The one thing that does bother me is his sudden "psychosis" and going off his meds to which he felt a speaker had been implanted in his tooth.

To give some background, when a person has a sincere nervous breakdown, the are filled with desire to harm themselves, anxiety, lack of sleep and even go catatonic. This doesn't mean the condition stays, it means it's brought about by intense emotional trauma or stress levels. Their breaking point has been reached. It's like a form of emotional shock. The body becomes overloaded and simply either shuts down or goes into autopilot mode.

The bit about a speaker in his tooth, please keep an open mind. We don't know the meds he was on and chose to go off cold turkey. If you have ever been on an SSRI and went off of it, then you know the "brain zaps", the confused feelings and insomnia that follows. Many people are uneducated on how to stop and start anti-psychotics, anti-depressants or anti-anxiety meds. Most people have no idea that benzo's (xanax, valium, kpins, ativan) can result into death. Benzo's and alcohol are the ONLY TWO drugs that can cause death from rapid detox. The only two (the rest just make you wish you could die because it sucks so bad). Often times the rapid detox from any mental/emotional med will make people "lose it" and often they have a psychotic episode of some sort.

I'll use myself as an example:

When my daughter passed on (stillbirth), I had to be medicated. I was put on paxil and xanax as well as ambien. I had NO idea how to take this stuff and after 3 months I felt better, so I quit taking paxil. I don't remember anything for 72 hours. Apparently I sliced my wrists, attempted to hang myself and went into a state of shock. I woke up in the ER with a lecture on medication withdrawal. Apparently during my black out I had accused my ex of trying to kill me because I failed him. Literally babbling nonsense. I have no history of mental illness before then or after.

I have also went cold turkey off of xanax after 10 years, it was scary to say the least.

My point is, don't buy into the theory that Ramsay was possibly a lunatic of sorts. This is the media, it is sensational and rarely are the people experiencing psychosis a danger to others - but they are almost always a dangers to themselves.

Thanks for your take on this. Also, at this early stage, it's not clear where some of the information about him is ulltimately coming from. :scared:

 

[janx]

A couple of things that aren't really adding up or don't make sense to me... (Pardon my rambling as I find myself getting very involved in yet another WS case).

One thing on RS's FB that has sort of stood out to me is a post that says "Mongoloid, and proud of it" from 8/28/12 - https://www.facebook.com/rscrivo1

(Sorry, I know we're supposed to paraphrase, but I didn't know how else to state 5 words!)

I'm wondering what RS meant by that. The only uses I know of mongoloid are to describe an Asian appearance, or as a derogatory term for people with Down's Syndrome or another similar disability.

RS seems to have done pretty well for himself, in any case. He earned a college degree and was employed with his own home. However, the Detroit FP article from earlier today states that his parents still paid half of his living expenses and his mom helped him pay his bills... I'm just having trouble rectifying all of this info.

I know that sometimes mental disabilities can go hand in hand with psychiatric issues. I'm wondering if that came into play at all here? What this mother did was totally horrific and unjustifiable... but like others here have said, maybe she snapped after the death of her mother and her husband, plus the additional stresses of being a major caregiver for her son?

I'm also having trouble rectifying the information about her husband's death. Many articles are saying terminal illness or long illness, but there is no mention of either in the obituary (I'll often see obits state "died at home after a long illness" of something similar). Also, many of the comments on DS's fb when she posted about her husband's death used the word "shocked" specifically. Would you be shocked about someone with a terminal illness passing away? I would expect comments more along the lines of "at least he's not suffering anymore", or etc.

I'm also finding it strange that there are not very many pictures of her husband on her FB (especially since posting pictures was one of her most regular activities). She also posts lots of things about the health of other people (Mr. so-and-so's daughter wants you to know he's out of the hospital now, as well as lots of posts about her family member's breast cancer and breast cancer awareness in general), but nothing about her husband's supposedly long/terminal illness.

These 2 things just aren't adding up for me... I guess we will all be waiting patiently for more details. I'm just completely morbidly fascinated about what would drive a mother to do this to her son. It's also very hinky about the husband's death plus the house fire plus this all within the year... JMO and all that. (And none of this is meant to be insensitive! Just observations.)

I understand your points, but people use FB for all kinds of reasons, and many people's profiles are not very accurate representations of their lives.

In addition, we have only preliminary information from the media, which is poorly sourced if sourced at all.

We're going to have to wait this one out, like so many other cases. :seeya:

 

[nighttime]

Welcome Nighttime! I'm feeling the same way about difficulty comprehending.

Thanks! Yeah, this definitely seems like one of those cases where even when more information is released, it won't become much more understandable :\.

 

[AstroKitty]

They are holding everything close to the vest in this case. They didn't release anything until today, which is odd. Normally it's much sooner. I had wondered if she was on some sort of watch because of this ominous wait, it appears she had been as per her green suicide smock in her mugshot.

For a family that she portrayed as very close and connected, there is little to nothing being said by them. No statement being released to say "please respect our privacy", so on and so forth. As I stated earlier, I have a friend that is her niece. I didn't know this of course until last night when she wrote something on FB. It took me a minute to put two and two together, she has asked for privacy and prayers. No word from Donna's other son regarding his brother. I imagine that this is incredibly devastating and mind-numbing. How on earth do you make sense of this? Do you blame yourself for not noticing her unhinged behavior or anger? Do you grieve for the loss of your mother even though she committed such a crime, or do you try and push it out of your mind so that you can grieve your sibling instead?

Her act of murder is unimaginable. She did things that are so violent, so disturbing that it's normally reserved for serial killers and those equally as sociopathic. A mother killed her young. She disregarded his life and in death disrespected him once more, by not allowing his loved ones to pay respects to an open casket or to see him off. She took away everything, even his dignity in death.

How do you begin to piece what you think your family is, if the boogie man all this time was the person who gave birth to you? The person who potty trained you and dried your tears?

One last thing I want to point out: Donna had a LOT of tragedy surrounding her suddenly, and where there's smoke, there's fire.

 

[bbbd4u]

In 2012 DS posted a photo of her sons and commented "Yes, that's when they actually liked Dan & I." ....The timing might have triggered something with DS. On Jan 23, 2013 she posted a photo of what I believe might be her and her mother but this was her comment "Trying to find a special one and can't. Bugging me." makes me wonder if it was known her mother was ill she passed on Jan 28, 2013 in Rockwall, Texas. Another interesting thing was in the obit for DS's mother it lists she was predeceased by a husband GY the odd part were they were married from 27 Feb 1996 but then divorced 12 Nov 1997 a very short marriage but then 15 years later to still list him as the husband that's just odd to me also. IMO maybe in between some type of mental illness there was a learned behavior about being dysfunctional.

 

[SStarr33]

St. Clair Shores woman was distraught over son's mental problems

http://www.macombdaily.com/general-...oman-was-distraught-over-sons-mental-problems

Ramsey Scrivo, 32, for most of his life suffered from anxiety issues, which escalated since his father got sick, according Scrivo, her other son, Jason, and a report by guardian ad litem Sheila Miller.

Ramsey Scrivo said “multiple times he would hang himself when his dad dies,” Donna Scrivo says in the May 16 mental commitment petition.

Read the rest of the story online at macombdaily.com.

“My brother’s depression and anger has escalated to unsafe levels and has threatened to commit suicide. My dad’s sickness has had a drastic impact on him,” wrote Jason Scrivo, 34 at the time, who listed a St. Clair Shores address in the petition.

more at the link

 

[janx]

Im trying to imagine what her pissed off face looks like

Stop it! :floorlaugh:

 

[michmi]

The son lived alone and supported himself completely. He also was the one stuck rehabbing her house after the fire. I sincerely doubt he set fire to her house because he couldn't live in it.

In some of the articles I've read, I did see comments from a number of people who knew the victim in past years and said he was just the nicest person you'd ever want to know.

 

[janx]

You can hear this better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zZJZFoolJ0&feature=youtu.be&a

"...when you knew or had reason to know the death occurred violently..."

 

[AstroKitty]

Anxiety issues is far removed from "psychosis" (what the media first reported). I don't know if anyone here has experienced generalized anxiety disorder (or has it) and or panic attacks, but they are debilitating. Anxiety does NOT equal murderous or homicidal, it's actually the opposite. If you've ever had a panic attack, could you imagine yourself having rage and being able to carry out damage to others? When I have panic attacks I tend to retreat and feel like I'm having a damn heart attack. The remarks about "hanging" himself in order to commit suicide does not make him angry or homicidal either. Again, the media really reached with this one. Im guessing his anger was probably holes in the wall and inwards towards himself, which frightened his family.

 

[SStarr33]

Anxiety issues is far removed from "psychosis" (what the media first reported). I don't know if anyone here has experienced generalized anxiety disorder (or has it) and or panic attacks, but they are debilitating. Anxiety does NOT equal murderous or homicidal, it's actually the opposite. If you've ever had a panic attack, could you imagine yourself having rage and being able to carry out damage to others? When I have panic attacks I tend to retreat and feel like I'm having a damn heart attack. The remarks about "hanging" himself in order to commit suicide does not make him angry or homicidal either. Again, the media really reached with this one. Im guessing his anger was probably holes in the wall and inwards towards himself, which frightened his family.

I think the article was saying he was hospitalized for 60 days.

 

[janx]

Anxiety issues is far removed from "psychosis" (what the media first reported). I don't know if anyone here has experienced generalized anxiety disorder (or has it) and or panic attacks, but they are debilitating. Anxiety does NOT equal murderous or homicidal, it's actually the opposite. If you've ever had a panic attack, could you imagine yourself having rage and being able to carry out damage to others? When I have panic attacks I tend to retreat and feel like I'm having a damn heart attack. The remarks about "hanging" himself in order to commit suicide does not make him angry or homicidal either. Again, the media really reached with this one. Im guessing his anger was probably holes in the wall and inwards towards himself, which frightened his family.

Why would he even want to hang himself when his dad died? He loved his dad so much that he would hang himself? That doesn't even make any sense.