Found Deceased MI - Venus Stewart, 32, Colon, 28 April 2010 - # 9 *D. Stewart guilty*

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  • #601
That was your experience, not hers.

By all accounts she apparently had a feisty relationship with him, and that doesn't jive with extreme fear. Sorry. I know that she was saying all those things, but her actions would appear to suggest something else.
Her "actions" were to take her young children, without even packing their clothes, and flee from Virginia to her parents home in Michigan, her actions were to warn her parents numerous times that Doug WOULD kill her and HE DID. Her actions were those of a terrified woman.
 
  • #602
In my opinion, Doug Stewart will be found guilty, regardless if Venus's body is found. There is absolutely no way a jury could find him innocent.

Doug Stewart didn't shed one tear.

Ricky Spencer didn't shed one tear.

Clearly there is no remorse.

It will be different in trial. Spencer will be vigorously cross-examined, the defence will attack his version of events, so the prosecution would need to corroborate. They still have to prove that she is dead/kidnapped and be able to place him at the scene.

You are concerned that no tears were shed and that indicates a lack of remorse, but it could equally well indicate that the story was made up for reasons unknown. The prosecution would therefore need to corrobrate what Spencer is claiming, and for that they would need evidence that she is dead and that DS was at the scene.
 
  • #603
Her "actions" were to take her young children, without even packing their clothes, and flee from Virginia to her parents home in Michigan, her actions were to warn her parents numerous times that Doug WOULD kill her and HE DID. Her actions were those of a terrified woman.

And what about the assault charges, the heated arguments in the street, the repeated divorce filings, restraining order applications? You can't just selectively look at the last few events in this saga and make conclusions about their relationship from that, you have to look at the entire relationship.

Based on what we know about their whole relationship I think that both of these people lived on drama, what happened is that after she returned to Michigan something changed. The drama stopped being make believe and became real, and that she didn't fully understand that or fully appreciate that she really was in danger this time. Which is why things are where they are now.
 
  • #604
http://www.wwmt.com/articles/murdered-1378463-centreville-newschannel.html

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CENTREVILLE, Mich. (NEWSCHANNEL 3) – Testimony has begun in the preliminary hearing for Douglas Stewart Thursday.

Larry McComb (Venus' Dad) was called to the stand this morning in the district court in Centreville. The judge is trying to decide if there is enough evidence to put Stewart on trial for the murder of his wife Venus.

When the judge asked McComb to identify Douglas Stewart, McComb looked directly at him and said, “Hi Doug, murdered anyone lately?”

Holy Carp!

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Go, Larry!

Bless his heart to have to deal with all this pain at his age.
 
  • #605
That was your experience, not hers.

By all accounts she apparently had a feisty relationship with him, and that doesn't jive with extreme fear. Sorry. I know that she was saying all those things, but her actions would appear to suggest something else.

What would you have expected Venus to do differently?

Her "actions" were to take her young children, without even packing their clothes, and flee from Virginia to her parents home in Michigan, her actions were to warn her parents numerous times that Doug WOULD kill her and HE DID. Her actions were those of a terrified woman.

Knowing that Doug would be enraged by the sexual allegation charges, I think Venus's fear that Doug would kill her intensified significantly after she arrived at her parent's home with the daughters, due to the threat Doug made about using his father's .357 magnum on her.

"According to records filed in Newport News Circuit Court, Venus Stewart had her divorce lawyer's paralegal listen and transcribe an audio recording in which Douglas Stewart told her that one option he had in dealing with her was to "get his father's .357."
 
  • #606
SPencer: "He said he had a premade spot for her body"

Oh my dear loving God. And this guy went along with this? Why??? Oh my God poor Venus. And those poor little girls.
 
  • #607
And what about the assault charges, the heated arguments in the street, the repeated divorce filings, restraining order applications? You can't just selectively look at the last few events in this saga and make conclusions about their relationship from that, you have to look at the entire relationship.

Based on what we know about their whole relationship I think that both of these people lived on drama, what happened is that after she returned to Michigan something changed. The drama stopped being make believe and became real, and that she didn't fully understand that or fully appreciate that she really was in danger this time. Which is why things are where they are now.

Living with a sociopath psycho can turn a sane person into a basket case who throws hairspray and jumps and hollers in the street.
End of story.
 
  • #608
It will be different in trial. Spencer will be vigorously cross-examined, the defence will attack his version of events, so the prosecution would need to corroborate. They still have to prove that she is dead/kidnapped and be able to place him at the scene.

You are concerned that no tears were shed and that indicates a lack of remorse, but it could equally well indicate that the story was made up for reasons unknown. The prosecution would therefore need to corrobrate what Spencer is claiming, and for that they would need evidence that she is dead and that DS was at the scene.

Regardless, it won't take a jury of 12 rocket scientists to figure out the truth which is that *Doug Stewart killed Venus Stewart!

In my opinion, an elementary school child could figure that out!

*My opinion
 
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And what about the assault charges, the heated arguments in the street, the repeated divorce filings, restraining order applications? You can't just selectively look at the last few events in this saga and make conclusions about their relationship from that, you have to look at the entire relationship.

Based on what we know about their whole relationship I think that both of these people lived on drama, what happened is that after she returned to Michigan something changed. The drama stopped being make believe and became real, and that she didn't fully understand that or fully appreciate that she really was in danger this time. Which is why things are where they are now.

People handle fear in different ways.

There are many who would expect a woman living in an abusive marraige to cower and seem helpless. It is my opinion that the presumption of this stereotype as a prerequisit; used to determine if a woman truly lives in fear, is flawed. A woman who chooses to fight back should not be characterized as an instigator of drama.

I find that women, (especially mothers), are capable of great courage in the face of unimaginable fear. A woman who is brave enough to stand up for the good of her children and for her own life is to be commended. It is a shame that some will always choose to belittle such a woman with the opinion that she must have wanted more drama. :twocents:
 
  • #611
Natal said:
And what about the assault charges, the heated arguments in the street, the repeated divorce filings, restraining order applications? You can't just selectively look at the last few events in this saga and make conclusions about their relationship from that, you have to look at the entire relationship.

Based on what we know about their whole relationship I think that both of these people lived on drama, what happened is that after she returned to Michigan something changed. The drama stopped being make believe and became real, and that she didn't fully understand that or fully appreciate that she really was in danger this time. Which is why things are where they are now.
This sounds like the victim is being blamed here.
Esp the part that says
she didn't fully understand that or fully appreciate that she really was in danger this time. Which is why things are where they are now.

IMO she was scared to death. That's why she left! She was scared he would come after her and kill her. And, it looks like she was right.

The only person at fault for this murder is the murderer. IMO that murderer is DS.

JMO
 
  • #612
Living with a sociopath psycho can turn a sane person into a basket case who throws hairspray and jumps and hollers in the street.
End of story.

I think this is a two way street.

Pickie...it would be awesome if it was as simple as you explain it, but the fact is there is not enough information to simply state that DS was just a sociopathic psycho who turned a sane person into a basket case who throws hairspray and jumps and hollers in the street...if there is anything we've learned from this case, it's that DS and VS did not have a simple relationship.

My hunch is that she was just as "complex" as he was. Yes, she is the victim. But that doesn't excuse her prior behavior, nor does it mean that it didn't contribute to the final outcome. If that's what happened, it's inexcusable on DS's part, but I believe that each of them came with their own set of quirks and abnormalities and they likely fed off of each other's "issues".

DS was 29 years old and a decorated former marine sniper with no criminal record, that I've heard about. No assault charges, no DV charges, no history of bar fights etc.
His first crime is to murder his wife, and he does so after she basically leaves him high and dry, takes the kids, takes all of their money, and then when she gets back to Michigan, tells LE he's molesting his own child. I think he snapped and finally said enough is enough...I'm done doing this...

If there was a list of ways to make your husband turn violent, I'd guess the scenario she played out in February is probably pretty high on the list...

I just hope that wherever these 2 young girls end up, that they are in a much more stable and loving environment than what they had to endure the first few years of their lives...

MOO
 
  • #613
Make sure to watch the video at the link below!

The 20-year-old (Richard Spencer) testified Stewart had been planning to kill Venus and wanted him to help provide an alibi.

Spencer said Stewart told him, "I want you to pretend to be me so I have an alibi." Spencer agreed to the plan, and said he received a hoodie, shoes, socks, a hat, credit card and cell phone from Stewart for the alibi.

"He said he had a pre-made spot for her body," Spencer said.

He told me he called Venus' house pretending to be the mailman ... he told me she tried putting up a fight ... he got her in a headlock."

Spencer also testified Stewart told him he had 17 confirmed kills as a Marine sniper.

In February 2010, Spencer said, Stewart told him Venus cleared out Doug's bank account to book last-minute tickets for her and their children to Michigan.

Continued at source: http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/sw_mich/Doug-Stewart-murder-prelim-begins
 
  • #614
If there was a list of ways to make your husband turn violent, I'd guess the scenario she played out in February is probably pretty high on the list...

No, that's a list of ways to make your husband angry and upset. There are no excuses for becoming violent much less murdering someone.
 
  • #615
Richard Spencer testified:

"When she got outside, he told me he jumped out and she was about two to five feet away.

She screamed one time and she tried putting up a fight but he was able to get her in a headlock with his arms.

He said a drop of blood came from her nose and that it hit the concrete."

SOURCE (VIDEO): http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/sw_mich/Doug-Stewart-murder-prelim-begins
 
  • #616
This sounds like the victim is being blamed here.
Esp the part that says
she didn't fully understand that or fully appreciate that she really was in danger this time. Which is why things are where they are now.

IMO she was scared to death. That's why she left! She was scared he would come after her and kill her. And, it looks like she was right.

The only person at fault for this murder is the murderer. IMO that murderer is DS.

JMO

Nobody is suggesting that VS is at fault. But you cannot simply discount the events that led up to this murder, including the actions of the victim, simply because they are the victim. I don't think you should accuse Natal of that, Natal has been following this case from the beginning and makes very clear, concise and well-thought out points.

So...

If I robbed a bank and then some gangster got word I was bragging about it and had me gunned down so his posse could go get the cash from my house...I am the murder victim right? But I'm still also a bank robber aren't I? Had I not bragged about it, I would likely not be dead. Had I not robbed a bank, I would likely not be dead. However, here I am...dead, not my fault...I am scared of gangsters, I know that bank robbing is wrong, it's no excuse for what was done to me, but it is relevant.
 
  • #617
Nobody is suggesting that VS is at fault. But you cannot simply discount the events that led up to this murder, including the actions of the victim, simply because they are the victim. I don't think you should accuse Natal of that, Natal has been following this case from the beginning and makes very clear, concise and well-thought out points.

So...

If I robbed a bank and then some gangster got word I was bragging about it and had me gunned down so his posse could go get the cash from my house...I am the murder victim right? But I'm still also a bank robber aren't I? Had I not bragged about it, I would likely not be dead. Had I not robbed a bank, I would likely not be dead. However, here I am...dead, not my fault...I am scared of gangsters, I know that bank robbing is wrong, it's no excuse for what was done to me, but it is relevant.

The difference is that you did not rob the bank in order to keep the gangster from molesting your babies and using intimidation to control your life.
 
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As the two men hung out, Spencer says Stewart spoke of his troubled marriage and how he wanted Venus gone.

Spencer said, "For awhile now he's been deciding when to do this, saying he's going to go kill his wife."

Spencer said Stewart repeatedly asked him to be his alibi so he could come to Michigan and kill his wife.

He said he rejected the idea several times before deciding to do it.

Source: (Paragraphs 7,8,9): http://www.wwmt.com/articles/margin-1378472-style-span.html
 
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