Michelle Young: Pregnant Mom murdered NC part 9

[raisincharlie]

:laugh: :laugh:

I've been waiting on this response :dance:
:laugh: Get your mind out of the gutter Scandi.

Now I know you are feeling better Strach ! :crazy:

 

[strach304]

Absolutely! Only a guilty man would send someone else, imo. And who knows how well she even knew all these relatives? That could be very traumatic for the little girl. Trauma on top of trauma. Cruel.

When you're right, you're right. If he did it though he only cared about self preservation at that point imo.

 

[raisincharlie]

Scandi,


You really must watch Saturday Night Live - especially the opening skit - entirely crazy !

 

[scandi]

I wouldn't miss it for the world Charlie. Last week it was the repeat that had the Nancy Grace episode. It was even funny the second time.

As to Meredith, I really thought you meant you meant she would run out to grab him into her arms and he would fall to his knees before her in a swoon! Nopey Nope Unfortunately she set the scene for a bit of suspicion herself with her utube or whatever site it was on the net. I don't at all think they have a thing going, but It does come up every so often on forums. You never really know whaz up till the fat lady sings.

One thing I do know is that she loves little Cassidy.

That is interesting you think he was at her house, do you mean when he was suppose to be going to his meeting? He swung by the lake, dropped the package and then parked his car in her garage?

I've been wondering why he didn't have his car parked in her garage that morning when it was taken by LE.

 

[jilly]

I have to believe that there were cops at Meredith's house awaiting the arrival of JY. Obviously Meredith was traumatized - she'd just found her dead sister that day. Also, I'm sure she was scared - for all she knew, JY could have been the murderer. Plus, I don't think any cop is going to subject Meredith to possible endangerment. There are the statistics with respect to spousal abuse and murder and the husband is always at the top of the list. Yes, I'm sure she would have had police protection.

 

[jilly]

When you're right, you're right. If he did it though he only cared about self preservation at that point imo.

I agree.

 

[otto]

I'm still thinking about Meredith's house being in Linda Fishers name. I have a theory ... Michelle lived in Raleigh because that's where she landed a great job and she probably liked the area. Meredith chose the area perhaps to be close to Michelle and maybe to help out with Cassidy. For some reason, Linda felt it was important that Meredith have her own house. It seems to me that Meredith, being single, could easily have rented a small apartment until she was married or more settled in a career. Maybe Michelle had discussed marriage difficulties with her mom and her mom was concerned about the marriage breaking down. She may have thought that my ensuring that Meredith had a house, then Michelle would have a back up home where she could go if she needed. It would be difficult to pack up one or two children and stay in a tiny apartment but if Linda provided a second home in the area, it would be a transitional place that Michelle could go to, with help from Meredith, if needed.

I'm just trying to understand why the house was in Linda's name and not in Meredith's name with Linda guarenteeing the mortgage. Perhaps Meredith had a poor financial history (that would be unusual given Michelle's profession) and perhaps Linda was doing what parents sometimes do: help adult children with a backup plan while trying not to interfere.

 

[raisincharlie]

I wouldn't miss it for the world Charlie. Last week it was the repeat that had the Nancy Grace episode. It was even funny the second time.

As to Meredith, I really thought you meant you meant she would run out to grab him into her arms and he would fall to his knees before her in a swoon! Nopey Nope Unfortunately she set the scene for a bit of suspicion herself with her utube or whatever site it was on the net. I don't at all think they have a thing going, but It does come up every so often on forums. You never really know whaz up till the fat lady sings.

One thing I do know is that she loves little Cassidy.

That is interesting you think he was at her house, do you mean when he was suppose to be going to his meeting? He swung by the lake, dropped the package and then parked his car in her garage?

I've been wondering why he didn't have his car parked in her garage that morning when it was taken by LE.

Scandi,

You crack me up luv. Hope you enjoyed this weeks "Nancy", had me ROTFLMAO

Back on topic and purely my opinion - I don't think there is any love lost between MF and JY. There was no family interaction visible, usually great distance, between the families in the video clips from the funeral - IMO the rift started very early in this case and I expect it exploded the night JY arrived at MF's to collect Cassidy. I also believe LE saw this interaction.

By the time JY arrived - Meredith would have been interviewed by LE. Whatever she knew about the marriage, the request for her to go to that house, and what the faxwhatever actually was and all the other things asked - this was already in LE's mind. If one is willing to accept that several posters said the Youngs fought, then one must be willing to at least think MF knew a great deal about these issues - either way and it was relayed to LE. As you know, I've not been a big fan of the "friends" that were posting but the truth is - not every one of them was just spouting off for the he11 of it.

The presence of the medications and wallets in JY's SUV indicates to me, there was no dropping people off at hotel before they proceeded to get Cassidy - IMO whoever got in that SUV in Brevard was still in it when it arrived at MF's house. I have no doubt LE was present and observing every aspect. There is a reason the probable cause section of the warrant reads beyond what several other warrants have read. JMO

 

[close_enough]

Actually, IMO that would look worse (COG) - very cold if he can't go get his daughter after the trauma she suffered.

i was being facetious yall

 

[close_enough]

Scandi,

You crack me up luv. Hope you enjoyed this weeks "Nancy", had me ROTFLMAO

Back on topic and purely my opinion - I don't think there is any love lost between MF and JY. There was no family interaction visible, usually great distance, between the families in the video clips from the funeral - IMO the rift started very early in this case and I expect it exploded the night JY arrived at MF's to collect Cassidy. I also believe LE saw this interaction.

By the time JY arrived - Meredith would have been interviewed by LE. Whatever she knew about the marriage, the request for her to go to that house, and what the faxwhatever actually was and all the other things asked - this was already in LE's mind. If one is willing to accept that several posters said the Youngs fought, then one must be willing to at least think MF knew a great deal about these issues - either way and it was relayed to LE. As you know, I've not been a big fan of the "friends" that were posting but the truth is - not every one of them was just spouting off for the he11 of it.

The presence of the medications and wallets in JY's SUV indicates to me, there was no dropping people off at hotel before they proceeded to get Cassidy - IMO whoever got in that SUV in Brevard was still in it when it arrived at MF's house. I have no doubt LE was present and observing every aspect. There is a reason the probable cause section of the warrant reads beyond what several other warrants have read. JMO

same here RC...i agree; there's only been one or two of the friends that really caught my attention...actually it's been the 'handles' that have only popped up once to post, then vanish, that i've taken into more consideration...

 

[close_enough]

I'm still thinking about Meredith's house being in Linda Fishers name. I have a theory ... Michelle lived in Raleigh because that's where she landed a great job and she probably liked the area. Meredith chose the area perhaps to be close to Michelle and maybe to help out with Cassidy. For some reason, Linda felt it was important that Meredith have her own house. It seems to me that Meredith, being single, could easily have rented a small apartment until she was married or more settled in a career. Maybe Michelle had discussed marriage difficulties with her mom and her mom was concerned about the marriage breaking down. She may have thought that my ensuring that Meredith had a house, then Michelle would have a back up home where she could go if she needed. It would be difficult to pack up one or two children and stay in a tiny apartment but if Linda provided a second home in the area, it would be a transitional place that Michelle could go to, with help from Meredith, if needed.

I'm just trying to understand why the house was in Linda's name and not in Meredith's name with Linda guarenteeing the mortgage. Perhaps Meredith had a poor financial history (that would be unusual given Michelle's profession) and perhaps Linda was doing what parents sometimes do: help adult children with a backup plan while trying not to interfere.

i'm just guessing, but maybe MF just didn't 'qualify' to buy the house in her own name??...maybe her mama just did it for her...i really don't see anything strange about that....her mama was able to get the house for her...it was mentioned over at ctv that it's possible that Linda bought the house, & was planning on moving to NC to live once she retired....would make sense to me..she'd be around her two daughters & her grandchildren.....

not saying that MF had lousy credit, but IF she did, that wouldn't really surprise me either...her & Michelle are two completely separate people...just because of Michelle's profession, i wouldn't expect her sister to be a financial whiz or anything....

 

[close_enough]

Scandi,


You really must watch Saturday Night Live - especially the opening skit - entirely crazy !

i saw that last night, lol....i just love how they spoof Britney Spears too
...fell asleep after the Britney thing..

 

[close_enough]

hey TopSail.....you heard anything at all??...rumor, anything????

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I just have to comment. I so admire all of you and how articulate and detailed you are in your sleuthing of each and every case here. My hat goes off to all of you! You are amazing, imo.

I dont have anything to really add except I think when Cassidy was picked up from Meredith's home JYs entire family was with him. I am sure LE was probably there and by seeing what they thought appeared to be blood on the outside of the vehicle, they had enough for probable cause and to impound the vehicle.

Also I do not find it strange at all that the home where Meredith resides is owned by her mother. I sold many pieces of real estate where the parents bought homes for their children and many of the parents resided out of state. Meredith may not have had bad credit at all but no credit instead which can be just as troubling when trying to purchase a home. Wasn't she a waitress? Many times the W-2s do not reflect all income received as there are ways around reporting all tips. Her reported wages may not have supported the amount it would take to pay the mortgage.

IMO

Ocean

 

[raisincharlie]

I just have to comment. I so admire all of you and how articulate and detailed you are in your sleuthing of each and every case here. My hat goes off to all of you! You are amazing, imo.

I dont have anything to really add except I think when Cassidy was picked up from Meredith's home JYs entire family was with him. I am sure LE was probably there and by seeing what they thought appeared to be blood on the outside of the vehicle, they had enough for probable cause and to impound the vehicle.

Also I do not find it strange at all that the home where Meredith resides is owned by her mother. I sold many pieces of real estate where the parents bought homes for their children and many of the parents resided out of state. Meredith may not have had bad credit at all but no credit instead which can be just as troubling when trying to purchase a home. Wasn't she a waitress? Many times the W-2s do not reflect all income received as there are ways around reporting all tips. Her reported wages may not have supported the amount it would take to pay the mortgage.

IMO

Ocean

Good Morning Ocean,

Good post above - I agree with you. I actually have been waiting for you to show up - I have questions for you. With your dealings in real estate would a seller of a home have to disclose that a murder occurred at a home ? If such must be disclosed, would the seller also have to provide information that verified the home was professionally cleaned and properly managed for biological hazards ? One more - is there an easy way to find if a specific home has been listed other than searching through each realtor's listings ?

Thanks Ocean - hope you are doing well

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Good Morning Ocean,

Good post above - I agree with you. I actually have been waiting for you to show up - I have questions for you. With your dealings in real estate would a seller of a home have to disclose that a murder occurred at a home ? If such must be disclosed, would the seller also have to provide information that verified the home was professionally cleaned and properly managed for biological hazards ? One more - is there an easy way to find if a specific home has been listed other than searching through each realtor's listings ?

Thanks Ocean - hope you are doing well

Hi Charlie!

I am sure that it varies by state but yes, the Realtor should reveal that a murder or suicide occurred there. It cuts down on problems later on should the new homeowner find out and thinks suing is the best route to get out from under the note for failure to disclose.

I have never incurred a home where murder took place. I did however have one where suicide occurred but the homeowner was already aware of that and had no problems with it. The home is always thoroughly cleaned and there is nothing left to detect these events ever happened.

I think it is more in the mind kind of thing. LOL I would not live in a home where someone was murdered but that is just me, some it doesn't bother.

I have found it is always best in the long run to be open and honest when selling a home. Credibility is everything imo.

ETA: I am not sure it is a requirement that they must show it has been properly cleaned by I see absolutely no reason why the Realtor wouldn't provide that information to them should they ask. Or the Realtor can offer such papers without them asking. I would do everything to reassure them.

IMO

Ocean

 

[raisincharlie]

Hi Charlie!

I am sure that it varies by state but yes, the Realtor should reveal that a murder or suicide occurred there. It cuts down on problems later on should the new homeowner find out and thinks suing is the best route to get out from under the note for failure to disclose.

I have never incurred a home where murder took place. I did however have one where suicide occurred but the homeowner was already aware of that and had no problems with it. The home is always thoroughly cleaned and there is nothing left to detect these events ever happened.

I think it is more in the mind kind of thing. LOL I would not live in a home where someone was murdered but that is just me, some it doesn't bother.

I have found it is always best in the long run to be open and honest when selling a home. Credibility is everything imo.

ETA: I am not sure it is a requirement that they must show it has been properly cleaned by I see absolutely no reason why the Realtor wouldn't provide that information to them should they ask. Or the Realtor can offer such papers without them asking. I would do everything to reassure them.

IMO

Ocean

Thanks Ocean - would it be logical to assume that had such events as this occurred in a home that the home would be somewhat devalued as a result or is that really up to the seller ? In other words if offers come in significant lower than assessed value - could this be the reason?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Thanks Ocean - would it be logical to assume that had such events as this occurred in a home that the home would be somewhat devalued as a result or is that really up to the seller ? In other words if offers come in significant lower than assessed value - could this be the reason?

From what I have read over the years Charlie it is surprising what buyers are willing to pay for this type of homes. Some have gone way above the market value and some of course arent easy to sell and sits idle for years. Then there are the ones that are sold for their fair market value. It varies for some reason.

If the home languishes on the market then the Realtor would recommend to the seller that the price needs to go down in order to rid themselves of the home. Of course it is always the Sellers call. They may decide to keep the home for some period until the shock and awe has worn off and memories dim. It really depends on how much the buyer really wants the home as to the amount they are willing to pay for it imo.

Like I have stated I have never sold a home where a murder took place but I do know others who have and it really doesn't seem to be a problem selling these homes but I am sure at times the home just stagnates and sits there for years.

IMO

Ocean

 

[jilly]

I'm just trying to understand why the house was in Linda's name and not in Meredith's name with Linda guarenteeing the mortgage. Perhaps Meredith had a poor financial history (that would be unusual given Michelle's profession) and perhaps Linda was doing what parents sometimes do: help adult children with a backup plan while trying not to interfere.

Hi Otto! My thought on that was simple in that Meredith simply didn't qualify for a mortgage for whatever reason and Linda bought it as an investment.

However, I didn't know you could get a mortgage with a guarrantor - a loan yes but not a mortgage.

 

[raisincharlie]

From what I have read over the years Charlie it is surprising what buyers are willing to pay for this type of homes. Some have gone way above the market value and some of course arent easy to sell and sits idle for years. Then there are the ones that are sold for their fair market value. It varies for some reason.

If the home languishes on the market then the Realtor would recommend to the seller that the price needs to go down in order to rid themselves of the home. Of course it is always the Sellers call. They may decide to keep the home for some period until the shock and awe has worn off and memories dim. It really depends on how much the buyer really wants the home as to the amount they are willing to pay for it imo.

Like I have stated I have never sold a home where a murder took place but I do know others who have and it really doesn't seem to be a problem selling these homes but I am sure at times the home just stagnates and sits there for years.

IMO

Ocean

Thanks again Ocean. At some point I think there is the possibility that JY may have to sell this or at least rent it. I see nothing suspicious about that by the way. I am curious if the insurance on the note itself would actually pay out the loan due to the death of one of the owners as a result of a homicide. I'm not sure it would under the circumstances until the spouse is cleared of any and all wrong doing. Nothing relevant in this line of thought but I certainly appreciate your thoughts on this subject.

Let me clarify - the thought about the house - selling or what not - is not relevant, just musing. Ocean's thoughts are.