Michelle Young: Pregnant Mom, NC. part 8

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  • #361
close_enough said:
yep...but actually it would kinda surprise me...i guess i think EVERYONE in the world was keeping up with the Peterson (west) case, & idiot wife murderers would learn from that one.....gosh, when do you think the autopsy results might be released??...any guess?
What was there to learn ? SP's clothes were in the washer, thats it if I recall correctly (please correct me if I'm wrong - its been a while) - they provided no forensic usefulness nor did the drains in the house, just some speculation...why not wash them instead of packing them around ?

Autopsy - maybe soon as the release of this vehicle suggests that forensic testing results are coming in.
 
  • #362
close_enough said:
screeeeching halt ...LOL...

ok, LE saw the suspicious looking spots on the vehicle before they got the SW, soooooooo, since they didn't get the SW till 3:15 am on the 4th, i guess it's safe to say that LE noticed these spots on the vehicle late night on the 3rd???.....ugh, i'm trying to get the timing down...

i know SW's can be issued at any time, but why at 3:15 in the morning....this makes me really wonder ..again...what time JY returned to Brevard from his 'meeting'......

i would NEVER hit you Scandi :blowkiss:

I'm just thinking through the process of a search warrant ... first the police find the scene around 1:30. There's the usual review of the scene, contact next of kin and deal with the witnesses. Once that's all squared away then they have to call in the backup and forensics, then they need to assess the possibilities and finally, contact the prosecutor's office. If this happened anytime between 4 and 5 on a Friday, the prosecutors would all be heading for drinks or whatever it is they do on a Friday night. There is always one senior (assistant chief crown) prosecutor (at least in this town) that is assigned to deal with these situations over the weekend. The police would call that person, tell them they need a warrant and then the prosecutor would have to head back to work with an assistant and write it up. All the details would have to be carefully double checked and, not sure, but in the case of a vehicle there may need to be specific locations where the warrant can be served. Any errors in the document, as we know, make the search invalid. After the document was carefully written and checked, then there has to be a Judge on call that would be pulled out of sleep to sign the document. I think it could take as long as 2 or 3 in the morning to serve the paperwork.
 
  • #363
raisincharlie said:
What was there to learn ? SP's clothes were in the washer, thats it if I recall correctly (please correct me if I'm wrong - its been a while) - they provided no forensic usefulness nor did the drains in the house, just some speculation...why not wash them instead of packing them around ?

Autopsy - maybe soon as the release of this vehicle suggests that forensic testing results are coming in.

well, it added to the circumstancial evidence from what i remember...it lead the jury to believe he washed the clothes he had on when he murdered Laci & disposed of her body...ya know..the clothes he went 'fishing' in....

eta...the Peterson case was purely circumstantial, but overwhelmingly...
 
  • #364
Charlie, the Modesto police gal who was at the house on Covena when the MPD first arrived after learning Laci was missing, said they {police} all thought he had washed his clothes twice. That was very unusual to them, at least it was for her to make note of it.
 
  • #365
close_enough said:
well, it added to the circumstancial evidence from what i remember...it lead the jury to believe he washed the clothes he had on when he murdered Laci & disposed of her body...ya know..the clothes he went 'fishing' in....

eta...the Peterson case was purely circumstantial, but overwhelmingly...
I quess that is what I'm trying to say Close - it led the jury to "think" they were the clothes he had on when he went fishing but the clothes never provided evidence that he actually killed Laci.

If JY washed his clothes and thats all thats in there, the same "thought process" will arise but by itself - if there is no forensic value found, it is but a thought IMO. There are already several "thoughts" with this case.
 
  • #366
scandi said:
Charlie, the Modesto police gal who was at the house on Covena when the MPD first arrived after learning Laci was missing, said they {police} all thought he had washed his clothes twice. That was very unusual to them, at least it was for her to make note of it.

Scott Peterson may have put his clothes in the washing machine, but he put the real evidence in the ocean, not at the nearest lake.

Coincidentally ... LKL is discussing Scott right now.
 
  • #367
Does anyone remember a statement like 'we started investigating her murder within _ hours of her being killed'? I think I read that today. They actually were on the scene within a very short time after Meredith called 911, but I'm wondering if this comment I read could give an indication of what they really think is the TOD if they were referring to the time she died and not the 911 call.

Charlie, I was wondering too if that meeting in Blacksburg woud be held so late. 9:30 to 10 seems late to me. I would think 8 - 9 am would be the norm for a business meeting on a work day. Just a thought.
 
  • #368
otto said:
I'm just thinking through the process of a search warrant ... first the police find the scene around 1:30. There's the usual review of the scene, contact next of kin and deal with the witnesses. Once that's all squared away then they have to call in the backup and forensics, then they need to assess the possibilities and finally, contact the prosecutor's office. If this happened anytime between 4 and 5 on a Friday, the prosecutors would all be heading for drinks or whatever it is they do on a Friday night. There is always one senior (assistant chief crown) prosecutor (at least in this town) that is assigned to deal with these situations over the weekend. The police would call that person, tell them they need a warrant and then the prosecutor would have to head back to work with an assistant and write it up. All the details would have to be carefully double checked and, not sure, but in the case of a vehicle there may need to be specific locations where the warrant can be served. Any errors in the document, as we know, make the search invalid. After the document was carefully written and checked, then there has to be a Judge on call that would be pulled out of sleep to sign the document. I think it could take as long as 2 or 3 in the morning to serve the paperwork.

yes, thanks Otto...betw you & RC, i'm understanding this....it just kinda 'threw' me when i noticed the times on the SW.....:)
 
  • #369
raisincharlie said:
What was there to learn ? SP's clothes were in the washer, thats it if I recall correctly (please correct me if I'm wrong - its been a while) - they provided no forensic usefulness nor did the drains in the house, just some speculation...why not wash them instead of packing them around ?

Autopsy - maybe soon as the release of this vehicle suggests that forensic testing results are coming in.
Peterson's clothes wouldn't have had any forensic evidence on them either if he had strangled or suffocated Laci ~which would be quite different from this case, where there would be an assumption that blood spatter had gotten on the perp's clothes.
 
  • #370
otto said:
Scott Peterson may have put his clothes in the washing machine, but he put the real evidence in the ocean, not at the nearest lake.

Coincidentally ... LKL is discussing Scott right now.
He may have hoped the "evidence" would've gone into the Pacific Ocean, but it appears he didn't get a correct Google on his tide-charts.
:D
 
  • #371
otto said:
Scott Peterson may have put his clothes in the washing machine, but he put the real evidence in the ocean, not at the nearest lake.

Hi Otto, Yes I agree. They never located his one jacket as I remember, and
Target #2 was the accoutrement package acc to what Ralston and the MPD officers out on the boat with him all thought.

They never found that target intact and it never washed up from what I know. It could have been the tarp they found by the Berkeley Marina, acc to Ralston.
 
  • #372
scandi said:
Does anyone remember a statement like 'we started investigating her murder within _ hours of her being killed'? I think I read that today. They actually were on the scene within a very short time after Meredith called 911, but I'm wondering if this comment I read could give an indication of what they really think is the TOD if they were referring to the time she died and not the 911 call.

Charlie, I was wondering too if that meeting in Blacksburg woud be held so late. 9:30 to 10 seems late to me. I would think 8 - 9 am would be the norm for a business meeting on a work day. Just a thought.

you bring up something else that's bugging me...we STILL haven't heard an official TOD...guess that will come along with the autopsy, huh?...there's so much that we don't know, ugh....
 
  • #373
panthera said:
Peterson's clothes wouldn't have had any forensic evidence on them either if he had strangled or suffocated Laci ~which would be quite different from this case, where there would be an assumption that blood spatter had gotten on the perp's clothes.

good point, panthera....other than maybe SP's own blood...
 
  • #374
raisincharlie said:
I quess that is what I'm trying to say Close - it led the jury to "think" they were the clothes he had on when he went fishing but the clothes never provided evidence that he actually killed Laci.

If JY washed his clothes and thats all thats in there, the same "thought process" will arise but by itself - if there is no forensic value found, it is but a thought IMO. There are already several "thoughts" with this case.

exactly...just a piece of a circumstantial evidence case puzzle ;)
 
  • #375
Panthera, I agree SP wasn't worried about blood, but he might have worried about vomit, urine or fluid from her uterous if her water broke, which it could have with the trauma.

That is why Sandra Bellinger said he washed the kitchen with bleach, as he was concerned that he would miss some of this bodily fluid from Laci. And by jove, the MPolicelady also stated he had washed down the kitchen with bleach.

BTW, the officers info from the house that night wasn't posted till Valentines day. Sandra wrote that mid January! Phenom Phenom, YaYa
 
  • #376
panthera said:
He may have hoped the "evidence" would've gone into the Pacific Ocean, but it appears he didn't get a correct Google on his tide-charts.
:D

He got a lot of things wrong ... interesting retrospective on the case taking past interviews and re-examining them.
 
  • #377
otto said:
He got a lot of things wrong ... interesting retrospective on the case taking past interviews and re-examining them.

i just turned it on otto...thanks for the heads-up!....i wish we could see an interview w/Rick Distaso..he's my hero:)
 
  • #378
scandi said:
Panthera, I agree SP wasn't worried about blood, but he might have worried about vomit, urine or fluid from her uterous if her water broke, which it could have with the trauma.

That is why Sandra Bellinger said he washed the kitchen with bleach, as he was concerned that he would miss some of this bodily fluid from Laci. And by jove, the MPolicelady also stated he had washed down the kitchen with bleach.

BTW, the officers info from the house that night wasn't posted till Valentines day. Sandra wrote that mid January! Phenom Phenom, YaYa

oh, you're right Scandi...much speculation about body fluids :o
 
  • #379
scandi said:
Panthera, I agree SP wasn't worried about blood, but he might have worried about vomit, urine or fluid from her uterous if her water broke, which it could have with the trauma.

That is why Sandra Bellinger said he washed the kitchen with bleach, as he was concerned that he would miss some of this bodily fluid from Laci. And by jove, the MPolicelady also stated he had washed down the kitchen with bleach.

BTW, the officers info from the house that night wasn't posted till Valentines day. Sandra wrote that mid January! Phenom Phenom, YaYa
You're right ~ I remember that now. :D
 
  • #380
close_enough said:
i just turned it on otto...thanks for the heads-up!....i wish we could see an interview w/Rick Distaso..he's my hero:)
I've got it on also. Distaso was a great prosecutor, I agree. ;)
 
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