Michelle Young: Pregnant Mom murdered NC part 9

[Bee Charmer]

Hope you are feeling better Strach. Gosh, it
would be so appalling if something was done to
that baby. I don't even want to go there......

 

[strach304]

Good morning Bee. Ok I hate to do this but lets look at Nancy Grace; she claimed Scott Dyleski took a shower in the house after killing Pam Vitale and according to posters here that wasn't true but she still to this day says it. One fact with her I am sure of was the LP case when she was on Larry King and insisted that Laci was found in her pajamas. During all the cases a lot of us have watched I have found it incredible how uninformed a lot of these guest speakers are that are discussing these cases. Beth Karas is the main one I've seen correct mistatements on ctv, others would be Greta and Catherine Crier but a lot of times the host doesn't correct them or clue them in about misinformation.

 

[strach304]

Hope you are feeling better Strach. Gosh, it
would be so appalling if something was done to
that baby. I don't even want to go there......

Thanks Bee That's what I was hoping too Bee but that doesn't mean the assumption wasn't made by say even Meredith from what she saw. We wondered why Jason didn't stage a robbery or sexual assault but maybe he did just not in the way we thought. Possibly her stomach area was cut though.

 

[raisincharlie]

This is from last night and I saw it then but didn't get to post on it then because I've been sick and daughters were here to help so I did have another theory I wanted to suggest. Many of us followed the Laci case so we should know this and Sami recently brought up a point about Michele going into labor but I can't remember what the proper term for that is. Possibly not considered by many of us that followed Laci's case because Michele wasn't as far along as Laci?

My thoughts in relation to your post Close and the others about what was done to Michele may simply have been that poster on ctv and her husbands take on what was told to them by MY's father. For instance if the birthing process started or whatever or the water was broken, etc. maybe from that info they just assumed the baby had been forcefully taken or something when in fact was a natural occurrence. That poster did say her husband didn't want to ask questions. Could also give an indication of what the other poster remarked about something being missing.

I think it's possible because it also falls in line with the other conflicting posts I mentioned as to what Michele was or wasn't wearing when found and speculation about a sexual assault. It's very unlikely some crazed female wanting a baby would do this because Michele wasn't far
enough along. Good indicator also to LE at the time that it wasn't random if they originally thought taking the baby was the motive. There was so much blood I'd imagine they might not know just like in the Robb case where they initially thought she was shot.

Strach,

I tend to think that you were right the first time - inexperience with murder cases as being the reason. ST8 did say her husband works with an immediate family member but I'm not sure of the connection to MY's father since ST8 reports location as Raleigh. MY's father is the GM of Madison Jaguar in Madison NJ. The only immediate family we know of in Raleigh is Meredith. So I am left wondering...

 

[otto]

i clicked on this link....very interesting Otto.....will be reading more of this ..... from what little i've read, it looks like the mother told LE that her son did this, THEN turned around later & said he didn't?.....

anyway, w/o getting tooooo O/T here....interesting reading for sure...thanks for posting this

Let me know what you think in the o/t thread when you get through it all ... there are a couple of points that I think are rather interesting and I'm not sure what to make of it.

 

[Samiya]

This is from last night and I saw it then but didn't get to post on it then because I've been sick and daughters were here to help so I did have another theory I wanted to suggest. Many of us followed the Laci case so we should know this and Sami recently brought up a point about Michele going into labor but I can't remember what the proper term for that is. Possibly not considered by many of us that followed Laci's case because Michele wasn't as far along as Laci?

Hi Strach....good morning

This is probably a good reference point for posters in regards to different types of deliveries of unborn children, 'unborn' meaning not a full term birth.

A miscarriage is the loss of a fetus before the 20 week period of pregancy.

A Pre Term Delivery is counted as 20 weeks + of pregnancy, with the expectant mother 'giving birth'. If a baby is developed enough to survive out of the womb with or without medical aide, the birth is then termed premature.

Laci Peterson suffered the loss, after her death, of her baby. That is a phenomenon known as a 'Coffin Birth". Coffin births occur when the build up of natural gases in a deceased pregnant woman's body explodes the stomach area in close to and up to full term pregnancies, or in earlier term can force the baby through the birth canal.

(It is wise for me to note here that a coffin birth will not happen to Michelle, if bub's is intact, after burial as embalming stops the process from happening).

Had Michelle gone into pre term labour at any time, the 'partial' term I used in my post refers to the fact that once a person is deceased, the contractions halt, therefore stopping the complete pre term delivery process.

Sami

 

[raisincharlie]

The rumour could've come from anywhere. I don't think it would've come from an SS considering that they're supposed to be a group of friends dedicated to each other in some weird form (sorry, lol we don't have sorority's over here, lol). It obviously came from someone who has an issue with Meredith herself and the fact that her address was used for the sending of the cheques. Now considering the small amount of time to set up the fund, that was not unusual to use her address before a post office box is arranged.

Let's face it, if Meredith's reputation is 'sullied', she isn't exactly going to look like a 'credible witness' is she? http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/smilies/innocent1.gif I am glad Coldwater removed that thread because is was the biggest load of BS I've ever read and I was stunned how many 'followed' considering no proof of the matter was given.

JMO

Sami

I agree, if MF is accused of something or appears to be sullied, her credibility could be an issue at trial (I'm sure this approach will be used at trial) no matter who is brought to the courtroom to face justice in this case. And yes it was a load of bs but it was interesting to see how it was swallowed and believed without any proof whatsoever-actually rather scary.

I would agree, sorority sisters are probably not the source but I can't imagine one having some kind of relationship with another one's husband either given the supposed bonds between them, just a thought. I understand the "Greek" thing here in the US but people are people and ethics and bonds sometimes waver.

I tend to favor a different source however. JMO

 

[raisincharlie]

Good morning everyone. I am very curious too
about how RPD is going to post about viewing those photos.
Seems to me he will be walking a very fine line with Coldwater,
as to his opinion and actual facts of this case. Looking forward
to his thread on the subject.

Regarding Rod Wheeler, I don't think he did misspeak. IMO, he
may have insider info. If he did make a mistake about the
airport, I wonder why Kim didn't correct him?

Bee Charmer,

Good to see you. Yes it will be interesting to see how this is done. I am not sure of RPDs expertise in this area and of course it will be subject to interpretation but I see a significant opportunity for misinformation to be running rampant once again - swallowed hook, line, and sinker - JMO.

I am of the opinion Mr. Wheeler perhaps was not appropriately prepared. The other issue about the insurance papers being found in a place they should not be - he said that information was reported in the print media. I cannot find a report in the print media that even remotely suggests such documents were in an improper place or even a specific place. The search warrants do not reflect this either.

As to driving the vehicle to the airport - well I am certainly scratching my head over that one. He is the first that I am aware of to convey this, typically if one TH has information - they all do. As to Kimberly not correcting him - well honestly she made a few of her own mistakes as she reported JY as being in Brevard at the time MY was murdered. We do know that is incorrect. I was a bit surprised as usually she is typically the most accurate in her reporting. Just don't know.

 

[Scout]

Scout,


I think this is the Get It Market you are looking for:

http://local.yahoo.com/details?fr=dd-local-tl1&id=12901041&stx=get+it+market&csz=Duffield+VA&ed=X.tQ8q160SxE5ThFDp6g5Tv6TZnj4FZvtcx76fg3C2m1HsOhax0wZ59XkGazrfzJ7.ywNW3LvDMS


This was tracked down by Close_Enough and Strach - this one is on the main drag through Duffield proper - better possibility I think.

Left it at your blog but the link didn't look right so moved it here.

Thanks, rc. That location makes more sense than the one out west of Duffield. The inaccuracy of these map sites is frustrating. I'm tempted to call up the Get-It Market and ask them myself where they are located.

 

[strach304]

Sami, so the preterm labor could have started or miscarriage even if Michele was attacked, unconscious but not yet dead? If it does turn out that she was hit so many times maybe that's why?

 

[raisincharlie]

Thanks, rc. That location makes more sense than the one out west of Duffield. The inaccuracy of these map sites is frustrating. I'm tempted to call up the Get-It Market and ask them myself where they are located.

I believe Close called one and the clerk said there was no physical address, they were just located on Highway 58 if I recall the post correctly. Again compliments of Close & Strach - good sleuths!

 

[strach304]

Strach,

I tend to think that you were right the first time - inexperience with murder cases as being the reason. ST8 did say her husband works with an immediate family member but I'm not sure of the connection to MY's father since ST8 reports location as Raleigh. MY's father is the GM of Madison Jaguar in Madison NJ. The only immediate family we know of in Raleigh is Meredith. So I am left wondering...

RC, aren't we talking about two seperate posts here? The poster that claimed her husband worked with MY's father and said the things that were done to her and noone should have to die like that. Then there was another one who claimed to work with a close family member of MY's and that poster was in Raleigh and as far as we know Meredith is the only one in Raleigh. The one who said something was missing was an altogether different poster too. I knew about My's father, where he lives, works etc.

 

[raisincharlie]

May be he was gonna skip town but decided to go to mommies instead........or he could've been smuggling, in or out, a bag o money.

ya da da da

So are you pursuing the hitman theory? As in perhaps he met someone up at the airport, paid them and went on his merry way while things were being taken care of. Don't know why it took me all night for this to sink in - but it did :doh:

 

[raisincharlie]

RC, aren't we talking about two seperate posts here? The poster that claimed her husband worked with MY's father and said the things that were done to her and noone should have to die like that. Then there was another one who claimed to work with a close family member of MY's and that poster was in Raleigh and as far as we know Meredith is the only one in Raleigh. The one who said something was missing was an altogether different poster too. I knew about My's father, where he lives, works etc.

Smoke Tree 8 is who I am refering to - her location is reported as Raleigh. On the december 15th thread she does say her hubby works with an immediate family member, she also says the dog left tracks in the house as well as saying "things" were done to MY and her hubby doesn't like to talk about it. Perhaps we are thinking of different posters who are saying the same things.

But I still like your idea that the poster may be unaccustomed to the details of murder and things could be just about anything.

 

[Samiya]

Sami, so the preterm labor could have started or miscarriage even if Michele was attacked, unconscious but not yet dead? If it does turn out that she was hit so many times maybe that's why?

If an incomplete preterm began, then yes it is very possible that it was due to the attack. It could even have been brought on by a fall to the floor depending on how she fell or by blows to the stomach....also a slight possibility that the damage to her brain may have caused the onset as well, but she would still have to be alive.

If that is the case, Michelle would have been in too much pain to attempt to fight off her attacker. She may have only put her arms up to her head in an effort to stave off the blows, but usually when one is in any kind of labour, the hands go to the stomach.

In medical terms, a miscarriage is also referred to in some countries as a Spontaneous Abortion...it is noted here as SpAb.

Sami

 

[Scout]

Bee Charmer,

Good to see you. Yes it will be interesting to see how this is done. I am not sure of RPDs expertise in this area and of course it will be subject to interpretation but I see a significant opportunity for misinformation to be running rampant once again - swallowed hook, line, and sinker - JMO.

I am of the opinion Mr. Wheeler perhaps was not appropriately prepared. The other issue about the insurance papers being found in a place they should not be - he said that information was reported in the print media. I cannot find a report in the print media that even remotely suggests such documents were in an improper place or even a specific place. The search warrants do not reflect this either.

As to driving the vehicle to the airport - well I am certainly scratching my head over that one. He is the first that I am aware of to convey this, typically if one TH has information - they all do. As to Kimberly not correcting him - well honestly she made a few of her own mistakes as she reported JY as being in Brevard at the time MY was murdered. We do know that is incorrect. I was a bit surprised as usually she is typically the most accurate in her reporting. Just don't know.

Maybe Wheeler misunderstood the media reports and thought the insurance papers were found in JY's vehicle. Several people made that mistake early on.

 

[raisincharlie]

Maybe Wheeler misunderstood the media reports and thought the insurance papers were found in JY's vehicle. Several people made that mistake early on.

I recall that, the insurance papers, being talked about as being found in the vehicle. Could be that is his confusion. The other thing I do wonder about is the possibility that the media has access to more portions of the warrants than we have seen

Example - it is obvious the warrant for 5108 Birchleaf is incomplete - LE definitely took more from the house than what was listed. Perhaps the media has decided to limit how much they will scan and link. Another example is the SUV warrant - no luggage but we assume it should be there based on McIntyre's rant in the paper - again perhaps the media has opted to limit scan and link. It is possible the talking heads have more data - unfortunate they are not using it however. JMO

 

[close_enough]

Good morning everyone. I am very curious too
about how RPD is going to post about viewing those photos.
Seems to me he will be walking a very fine line with Coldwater,
as to his opinion and actual facts of this case. Looking forward
to his thread on the subject.

Regarding Rod Wheeler, I don't think he did misspeak. IMO, he
may have insider info. If he did make a mistake about the
airport, I wonder why Kim didn't correct him?

good morning all.....

Bee, i'm wondering the same thing....i watched the rerun of The LineUp at midnight & it's odd she didn't correct him, imo also....they went on & on about how they both have "kept up" with this case from the beginning....if he misspoke then it was a BIG incorrect statement, imo...

 

[close_enough]

Maybe Wheeler misunderstood the media reports and thought the insurance papers were found in JY's vehicle. Several people made that mistake early on.

could be Scout....if that's the case & it's true that he misspoke about the airport thing also, then Wheeler should be taken off all the shows as a 'talking head'....imo

very sloppy

 

[close_enough]

I refused to watch Greta during the SP case because all they did was rail on Distasio and applaude Geragos instead of talking about what was going on in court. My wife watched but it so thoroughly aggravated me that I went out and bought nerf bricks and used a marker to label them - Greta - Ted - Bernie - Gloria - Hammer. They were thrown at the tv quite a bit, by my wife actually.

yes, i remember all that ..... SO many folks were 'giving up' on Distaso early on, in the trial, but i have to say i had all the faith in the world in him....i got so tired of folks running him down on TV & on the various boards...he knew what he was doing the entire time, imo.....took his time 'warming up' & it made Geragos look like an idiot, imo

love the idea about the nerf bricks!