Michelle Young: Pregnant Mom murdered NC part 9

[close_enough]

Let me know what you think in the o/t thread when you get through it all ... there are a couple of points that I think are rather interesting and I'm not sure what to make of it.

will do, Otto

 

[close_enough]

My SIL went and got a copy of the AR from the courthouse and sent it to us. Some of it I could figure - but most of it was way beyond me. We have a couple of Drs who keep horses here - they went through it and described stuff to me - I absolutely turned green over what happened to Pamela - I will not do that again let me tell you.:sick: for days...

yikes!!....must have been horrific reading

 

[Scout]

I recall that, the insurance papers, being talked about as being found in the vehicle. Could be that is his confusion. The other thing I do wonder about is the possibility that the media has access to more portions of the warrants than we have seen

Example - it is obvious the warrant for 5108 Birchleaf is incomplete - LE definitely took more from the house than what was listed. Perhaps the media has decided to limit how much they will scan and link. Another example is the SUV warrant - no luggage but we assume it should be there based on McIntyre's rant in the paper - again perhaps the media has opted to limit scan and link. It is possible the talking heads have more data - unfortunate they are not using it however. JMO

You're correct. The inventory released for the search of the home was limited to a search done on 11/6 -- apparently a follow-up search focusing mainly on items in the home office. Clearly indicative of LE's suspicion that Jason is involved.

 

[close_enough]

So are you pursuing the hitman theory? As in perhaps he met someone up at the airport, paid them and went on his merry way while things were being taken care of. Don't know why it took me all night for this to sink in - but it did :doh:

IF the airport is involved somehow in this case, this would be the only theory i can think of.....

 

[Scout]

could be Scout....if that's the case & it's true that he misspoke about the airport thing also, then Wheeler should be taken off all the shows as a 'talking head'....imo

very sloppy

If they did that, there wouldn't be many talking heads left, imo. One that I consider quite knowledgeable on any case she covers is Beth Karas. She makes every effort to report the facts correctly and unembellished, and she often corrects others' errors. She has my respect.

ETA: that pesky h and to say that I wish Beth were covering this case.

 

[close_enough]

If they did that, there wouldn't be many talking heads left, imo. One that I consider quite knowledgeable on any case she covers is Beth Karas. She makes every effort to report the facts correctly and unembellised, and she often corrects others' errors. She has my respect.

i agree completely Scout...i don't really like Kimberly...she tends to try to 'color' the stories with flashy words & all, IMO...i've never paid a whole lot of attention to her, to be honest....but yes, i sure wish Beth was covering this case....we'd get concrete, factual information that one could 'take to the bank' imo.....

 

[scandi]

I read something this morning at CTV we haven't thought of yet , asking if there was a SW for the hotel room. Good question, eh! LOL

 

[philamena]

What's a SW?

 

[scandi]

Hi Philamena, It's a search warrant.

 

[philamena]

Hi Scandi and thanks. I should know that... I'm so embarressed.

 

[scandi]

That's OK Sweetie. I saw one yesterday at CTV I still can't figure out. LOLOLOL

 

[close_enough]

I read something this morning at CTV we haven't thought of yet , asking if there was a SW for the hotel room. Good question, eh! LOL

yes...good one Scandi

i think RC is right....imo, we're nowhere near seeing all of the SW/SW's yet...that little "line" that he was talking about, where there could be more, but it's being withheld from the public...(forgot how he worded it now)

 

[close_enough]

Hi Scandi and thanks. I should know that... I'm so embarressed.

that's how i felt when i asked once "what is DH?".....it's dear husband, dumb husband, damned husband, dead husband...who would have known? lol
...i don't use it though...i just use "husband" or "hubby".....

 

[close_enough]

ok, i'm going on record saying there will be an arrest this week...no later than Friday....i think i said this early on too, but.......

 

[raisincharlie]

ok, i'm going on record saying there will be an arrest this week...no later than Friday....i think i said this early on too, but.......

Lets hope you are correct and lets hope LE has more than enough evidence to present the best possible case against the perp to achieve the maximum sentence possible.

Close - jog my brain a bit will you ? Initially the estimated TOD was 1 to 5 am wasn't it. ? Do you think, since we now know that LE knew where JY was supposed to be staying in the very early hours of the 4th, that part of the reason for the change of the TOD to 12-6 may actually be in part related to the location of this hotel and the time of the gas purchase at the Han-Dee Hugos? Perhaps also related to surveilance tapes from the hotel or check in/out times ?

I know as time wore on that a prelim AR would give an idea but most generally the time gets narrowed rather than expanded. In this case the window was expanded by 2 hours. Any ideas?

 

[Scout]

Lets hope you are correct and lets hope LE has more than enough evidence to present the best possible case against the perp to achieve the maximum sentence possible.

Close - jog my brain a bit will you ? Initially the estimated TOD was 1 to 5 am wasn't it. ? Do you think, since we now know that LE knew where JY was supposed to be staying in the very early hours of the 4th, that part of the reason for the change of the TOD to 12-6 may actually be in part related to the location of this hotel and the time of the gas purchase at the Han-Dee Hugos? Perhaps also related to surveilance tapes from the hotel or check in/out times ?

I know as time wore on that a prelim AR would give an idea but most generally the time gets narrowed rather than expanded. In this case the window was expanded by 2 hours. Any ideas?

Maybe the expansion was just a sort of safety net to catch tips from anyone who may not have clear and accurate recollection of the time that they saw something of interest.

ETA: You make a good point about the expansion of the timeline, rc. It caught my attention at the time, and I've speculated similarly about it in the past. I'm just looking for alternative explanations for it, as I'm sure you are.

 

[raisincharlie]

Maybe the expansion was just a sort of safety net to catch tips from anyone who may not have clear and accurate recollection of the time that they saw something of interest.

ETA: You make a good point about the expansion of the timeline, rc. It caught my attention at the time, and I've speculated similarly about it in the past. I'm just looking for alternative explanations for it, as I'm sure you are.

Puzzling away Scout Until the next tidbit is thrown out for us...your scenario makes sense about the expansion of the TOD. Sometimes I think LE gets very tricky with the TOD range - I recall with Dyleski, LE was asking neighbors and the public about a noon to 3 pm timeframe when in reality Pamela was killed shortly after 10am. I do ask a lot of questions because I sometimes suffer TV (tunnel vision) !

 

[close_enough]

Lets hope you are correct and lets hope LE has more than enough evidence to present the best possible case against the perp to achieve the maximum sentence possible.

Close - jog my brain a bit will you ? Initially the estimated TOD was 1 to 5 am wasn't it. ? Do you think, since we now know that LE knew where JY was supposed to be staying in the very early hours of the 4th, that part of the reason for the change of the TOD to 12-6 may actually be in part related to the location of this hotel and the time of the gas purchase at the Han-Dee Hugos? Perhaps also related to surveilance tapes from the hotel or check in/out times ?

I know as time wore on that a prelim AR would give an idea but most generally the time gets narrowed rather than expanded. In this case the window was expanded by 2 hours. Any ideas?

i'll be honest, i thought when i very first started reading, it was midnight to 5 am, then it was changed to midnight to 6, but i know very early on i read midnight to 6 am & that info hasn't changed since.....i didn't join this forum as early as most of you....i showed up several days later, so i'm sure i missed things reported/discussed real early on....i think scout is probably right...makes sense anyway...change an hour or so for a "safety net"...i hadn't thought of that.....but it could be that just days after the murder, LE knew something/found something, & widened it.....2 hour expansion is a lot of time when you're putting a 'timeline' together though, imo

 

[scandi]

Charlie,

With the latest possible TOD at 6am, that is the latest time JY could have left for his meeting and made it there by say 9am for an early meeting.

Add 1/2 hour for cleaning up, changing into a suit and getting on the road, that would leave him with a 2 1/2 hour drive to reach the destination of the meeting and be seated.

That would not work out, IMHO. He could have flown to Duffield but didn't, as he had a gas receipt for the 2nd at a station that only has locations in that western part of VA.

It takes 5 1/2 hours to drive to Duffield or Big Stone Gap from Raleigh, so the latest he could have left his home {including the 1/2 hour clean up/dress time} would be 3am for a straight drive to his destination.

And then if he had lunch before leaving Duffield and then got gas, he would be at his parents around 3.

Possibly!



ETA: If he did as Scout has prognasticated and drove 3 hours to the intersection of Hwy 77 and 81 {safely far enough away from home} arriving there between 10 and 11pm, called her, got very angry and wanted to confront her, got back to the house around 2 - 2:30, ended up killing her, he still could have left around 3:30, bathing and changing clothes and been to his meeting by 9am. I think that is what happened. :waitasec:

 

[raisincharlie]

Scandi,

The TOD range in some aspects definitely makes it difficult to think that JY could make an early morning meeting in Duffield, I agree. But all we know about the meeting in reality is what Fussell reported JY told him at MY's funeral: an early morning meeting in VA. First I have to say I find it very odd that JY is explaining his whereabouts to anyone at a funeral. Second, we don't know that what Fussell claims to have been told is the truth or if Fussell is regurgitating what he was told correctly. What we do not know is what, if anything JY told LE - which in reality is the only thing that matters.

I could spend hours posting about this but let me say I am not convinced that JY had a "scheduled" meeting early in the morning of 3 November in Duffield VA or anywhere else for that matter just yet. Duffield is interesting because yes there is a Get It Market there and yes HMG is actively soliciting bids for a records center there and yes Chart One would be interested in bidding. The problem I have with that is the project is clearly in the bidding stages per the press release. Does one need to establish a meeting to obtain a bid package or can one call up and request the opportunity to come by, introduce themselves and pick up a bid package? I think the latter is a possibility, a possibility in which JY could control the time of that "meeting". Arriving at 1 pm on a Friday afternoon would make a good impression - a sales guy who actually works on a Friday afternoon away from home - you get my drift.

Was the meeting actually in Duffield - I don't know. All I know is he might have been in Duffield to buy gas, but there might also be other Get It Markets in other locations that just aren't yet included in the internet mapping databases. The odds - yea he was in Duffield most likely. No idea when except sometime on the 3rd.

If MY was murdered at 6am - could he still make Duffield to pick up a bid package and be in Brevard later in the afternoon - yes. Could he make a 9 or 10 am "scheduled" meeting in Duffield - no. Could MY have been murdered as late as 6 am - according to LE TOD - yes.

The same would be applicable back to 4 am which would be the first opportunity to make a 10 am "scheduled" meeting in Duffield or 3 am to make a 9 am "scheduled" meeting in Duffield.

I know lots of people are swallowing hard and heading to the fence - but I still see possibilities based on the very limited information we have. If I work this back from the search warrant timing - JY had plenty of time to kill his wife and make a nice alibi for himself. He did not have to travel by plane to accomplish this.

Wish we had some actual times and locations to work with but we don't so the puzzling game continues. The last two weeks we have had tid bits thrown out - I wonder what this week will bring ?


P.S. - this guy does not eat - no mention of food receipts found in the vehicle !