Michelle Young: Pregnant Mom murdered NC part 9

[otto]

Sami, so the preterm labor could have started or miscarriage even if Michele was attacked, unconscious but not yet dead? If it does turn out that she was hit so many times maybe that's why?

I'm a little skeptical about this possibility, but it intrigued me so I looked into it briefly. Recent studies (June 2003) show that "CRH is a hormone the brain secretes in reaction to physical or emotional stress, and it is also produced in the placenta and the uterus of a pregnant woman to trigger uterine contractions during delivery."
http://www.webmd.com/content/article/66/79698.htm

I suppose it's possible that the stress triggered the CRH (corticotropin-releasing hormone) and caused the placenta to produce it as well and thereby trigger contractions. If Michelle didn't die right away, her body could have had contractions but a miscarriage can last several hours - like 6 to 8 and there isn't a lot of bleeding at the beginning, only severe cramping. I don't know there would be a lot of evidence of a triggered miscarriage in a violent death that involved several blows to the head.

 

[otto]

i'll be honest, i thought when i very first started reading, it was midnight to 5 am, then it was changed to midnight to 6, but i know very early on i read midnight to 6 am & that info hasn't changed since.....i didn't join this forum as early as most of you....i showed up several days later, so i'm sure i missed things reported/discussed real early on....i think scout is probably right...makes sense anyway...change an hour or so for a "safety net"...i hadn't thought of that.....but it could be that just days after the murder, LE knew something/found something, & widened it.....2 hour expansion is a lot of time when you're putting a 'timeline' together though, imo

You're right, the original timeline that I recall was midnight to 5 am and I think it was the Greta show that stretched it to 6 am.

 

[FactsareFacts]

I just read a post at CTV that says JY would not have been doing anything at the place that was building / expanding a medical records facility. Apparently another company has already gotten the contract for that Onepartner ATAC is the same kind of company as Chartone and the new centre is named Onepartner ATAC. RPD has posted it. I know we aren't suppose to copy from one board to another so I guess you have to go over there to read it and see what you guys think? I would like to hear your ideas about it. TIA

 

[panthera]

Puzzling away Scout Until the next tidbit is thrown out for us...your scenario makes sense about the expansion of the TOD. Sometimes I think LE gets very tricky with the TOD range - I recall with Dyleski, LE was asking neighbors and the public about a noon to 3 pm timeframe when in reality Pamela was killed shortly after 10am. I do ask a lot of questions because I sometimes suffer TV (tunnel vision) !

Hi raisincharlie!
I'll also agree with the reason for expanding the TOD in Michelle's case. Someone might recall seeing something important but discard it as not connected to the case if it's outside the range given by LE. And in Pamela's case it was her computer which established her TOD ~ very fortunate indeed!

 

[panthera]

I'm a little skeptical about this possibility, but it intrigued me so I looked into it briefly. Recent studies (June 2003) show that "CRH is a hormone the brain secretes in reaction to physical or emotional stress, and it is also produced in the placenta and the uterus of a pregnant woman to trigger uterine contractions during delivery."
http://www.webmd.com/content/article/66/79698.htm

I suppose it's possible that the stress triggered the CRH (corticotropin-releasing hormone) and caused the placenta to produce it as well and thereby trigger contractions. If Michelle didn't die right away, her body could have had contractions but a miscarriage can last several hours - like 6 to 8 and there isn't a lot of bleeding at the beginning, only severe cramping. I don't know there would be a lot of evidence of a triggered miscarriage in a violent death that involved several blows to the head.

I'm sorry, but I am totally lost on this subject, even after reading back a few pages. Was there some new information released by LE regarding Michelle's injuries?

 

[raisincharlie]

I just read a post at CTV that says JY would not have been doing anything at the place that was building / expanding a medical records facility. Apparently another company has already gotten the contract for that Onepartner ATAC is the same kind of company as Chartone and the new centre is named Onepartner ATAC. RPD has posted it. I know we aren't suppose to copy from one board to another so I guess you have to go over there to read it and see what you guys think? I would like to hear your ideas about it. TIA

Actually I rather agree with him on this as OnePartner ATAC is indeed a competitor - personally I feel if JY was in the Duffield area it was for other reasons - can't yet rule out the gas receipt however but I am pretty much certain the meeting was not in Duffield - it makes zero sense actually looking very closely at it.

Wish we knew where that hotel is - I'm still thinking Danville with a meetingin Blacksburg VA as early in this case ChartOne had job openings listed for Blacksburg. JMO

 

[FactsareFacts]

Actually I rather agree with him on this as OnePartner ATAC is indeed a competitor - personally I feel if JY was in the Duffield area it was for other reasons - can't yet rule out the gas receipt however but I am pretty much certain the meeting was not in Duffield - it makes zero sense actually looking very closely at it.

Wish we knew where that hotel is - I'm still thinking Danville with a meetingin Blacksburg VA as early in this case ChartOne had job openings listed for Blacksburg. JMO

Oh OK well sort of clears up one mystery and creates another I guess LOL

 

[raisincharlie]

Oh OK well sort of clears up one mystery and creates another I guess LOL

I don't know FactsareFacts - it kinda clears things for me. Leaving Blacksburg one would head in that general direction to travel to Brevard. Its a bit off the track to Duffield but if one is trying to create an alibi - seems like a good way to do so to me. Blacksburg - an early morning meeting would be possible - he would have most of the rest of the day to get to Brevard and maybe make a few stops along the way to rid himself of a few things. JMO

 

[Samiya]

I'm sorry, but I am totally lost on this subject, even after reading back a few pages. Was there some new information released by LE regarding Michelle's injuries?

No hon, no new info released

It was part of a discussion in regards to someone saying at ctv that something else was done to Michelle's body.

I was putting forth the possibility of preterm labour before she died as one 'thing' that may have been 'done'. Albeit, if that was the case then her amniotic sac would've had to have ruptured for there to be any significant 'additional' body fluid at the scene.

Sami

 

[FactsareFacts]

I don't know FactsareFacts - it kinda clears things for me. Leaving Blacksburg one would head in that general direction to travel to Brevard. Its a bit off the track to Duffield but if one is trying to create an alibi - seems like a good way to do so to me. Blacksburg - an early morning meeting would be possible - he would have most of the rest of the day to get to Brevard and maybe make a few stops along the way to rid himself of a few things. JMO

Yes I agree with that, makes sense anyway. Guess we wait for more info. once again.

 

[raisincharlie]

Yes I agree with that, makes sense anyway. Guess we wait for more info. once again.

Yes, once again ! I'm okay with it however as long as LE builds a strong case so when it goes to court the odds are strongly in favor of the perp being found guilty. I think we will hear more information this week, it seems lots of results are coming in so...fasten your seatbelt

 

[panthera]

No hon, no new info released

It was part of a discussion in regards to someone saying at ctv that something else was done to Michelle's body.

I was putting forth the possibility of preterm labour before she died as one 'thing' that may have been 'done'. Albeit, if that was the case then her amniotic sac would've had to have ruptured for there to be any significant 'additional' body fluid at the scene.

Sami

Thank you Sami. I'm trying to keep up to date on Michelle, but also work and have many other things going on. I didn't think I'd missed any "news", and yes that is quite true about pre-term labor, etc.

 

[philamena]

that's how i felt when i asked once "what is DH?".....it's dear husband, dumb husband, damned husband, dead husband...who would have known? lol
...i don't use it though...i just use "husband" or "hubby".....

Omygosh, that is truely funny......dumb husband, dead husband.

Thanks for making me feel less dumb. :crazy:

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Yes, once again ! I'm okay with it however as long as LE builds a strong case so when it goes to court the odds are strongly in favor of the perp being found guilty. I think we will hear more information this week, it seems lots of results are coming in so...fasten your seatbelt

Hi Charlie and Everyone!

Any news today that we haven't heard before?

LOL Still wish I possessed the confidence you do about this case.

So this week? More information, ya think?

Wouldn't it have been nice if they could have wrapped this case up as quickly as the DA in PA did on Professor Robb?

IMO

Ocean

 

[Samiya]

Hi Charlie and Everyone!

Any news today that we haven't heard before?

LOL Still wish I possessed the confidence you do about this case.

So this week? More information, ya think?

Wouldn't it have been nice if they could have wrapped this case up as quickly as the DA in PA did on Professor Robb?

IMO

Ocean

Hi Ocean,

No news today

It's going great guns in the Robb case. But there's a few others I wish would be solved soon. Janet and Michelle

Sami

 

[otto]

I'm sorry, but I am totally lost on this subject, even after reading back a few pages. Was there some new information released by LE regarding Michelle's injuries?

There was some cryptic message posted somewhere else by someone that claimed to know one of Michelle's family members ... and said that something was done to Michelle that was unspeakable. I think people are speculating on what it could be.

ETA: oops, I see this was already answered

So here's the big mystery for me. How does someone commit a murder and leave no evidence on themselves, so they transfer no evidence to their vehicle? Even clothes that are washed will have some trace of blood on them.

 

[Samiya]

There was some cryptic message posted somewhere else by someone that claimed to know one of Michelle's family members ... and said that something was done to Michelle that was unspeakable. I think people are speculating on what it could be.

ETA: oops, I see this was already answered

So here's the big mystery for me. How does someone commit a murder and leave no evidence on themselves, so they transfer no evidence to their vehicle? Even clothes that are washed will have some trace of blood on them.

Not sure what you'd call them over there but "Coveralls"?

Jumpsuits like mechanics wear. Wonder if one is missing from house or garage?

Just a thought

Sami

 

[raisincharlie]

Not sure what you'd call them over there but "Coveralls"?

Jumpsuits like mechanics wear. Wonder if one is missing from house or garage?

Just a thought

Sami

Someone who lives in the home and routinely drives the vehicle, whose wife would also be in the vehicle from time to time?

ETA -sometimes what is not found is equally as important as what is found.

 

[panthera]

There was some cryptic message posted somewhere else by someone that claimed to know one of Michelle's family members ... and said that something was done to Michelle that was unspeakable. I think people are speculating on what it could be.

ETA: oops, I see this was already answered

So here's the big mystery for me. How does someone commit a murder and leave no evidence on themselves, so they transfer no evidence to their vehicle? Even clothes that are washed will have some trace of blood on them.

I see that someone already answered this with "coveralls", but I was also thinking that if this is Jason who committed the murder, he might have gotten hold of some hospital scrubs or something used in the medical field, since his job may have taken him to hospitals/doctors offices? Or maybe he had some water repellent clothing? (That would be if this crime had been planned in advance.)

 

[panthera]

Hi Charlie and Everyone!


Wouldn't it have been nice if they could have wrapped this case up as quickly as the DA in PA did on Professor Robb?

IMO

Ocean

That case reminds me so much of this one, but apparently that "DH" had no out-of-town business trip alibi.