Michelle Young, pregnant mom, murdered Part 15.

[strach304]

Jilly, I'll clarify on the blood further since I can hardly understand what I'm explaining myself sometimes. The first instance with the blood and it was reported legitimately were the two droplets suspected to be blood by LE for probable cause. We never did get verification on those results. Don't even know if it was blood for that matter.

What I was referring to in Scandi's post is about a rumor on the ctv board placed by a poster a few days ago stating they heard there was blood (traces, I think) found on the steering wheel inside the door and the floor mats of the SUV. Scandi's post #146 verifies that poster said it was Michelle's blood. Scandi, details correct? I think a good reason for not believing it was another poster first brought it up as what if and then later a different one said they heard this. So? The other reasons I gave are legitimate ones also for why I discount that possibility. :blushing:

 

[strach304]

I'm in agreement with everyone's line of thinking on the therapist as well. I've already said I could go either way on the premed so with those thoughts in mind anyone wonder if it was on purpose that Michelle didn't get to see her Doctor the next day? Regardless or which one that was since we don't know.

RC and Jilly, do you think Jason found out something Wed. or Thurs. for instance and got a plan in motion right away? He got an early start but only drove 2.5 hours to the hotel? Made an excuse to go to his mothers even though it's a very good possibility he knew he had friends coming and the whole HC big game weekend planned. Maybe he was trying to shut up Michelle before an appt. with her therapist or knew she'd find out about the affair/cheating because he contracted a STD? Also back to the she threw him out or told him to be gone theory. The original business trip was legit and he was going to drive 4 or 5 hours then go to a hotel and something happened that he started making last minute helter skelter plans? That would explain why some parts look premeditated and others don't?

 

[Utopia]

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I agree, it's not going to prove in a Court that he planned the murder, but in my mind, it will!:crazy: If he booked the hotel the Thursday, (just like he phoned his parents) I think it's very suspicious.

I see where you were headed now, thanks for clarifying. I also wonder when that meeting was set up.

I agree with the rest of you about the therapist, it certainly sounds important. It could be taking time if what is in the notes has caused further investigation, I'll bet it has.

I couldn't find ducks - penguins are related right?....

Ducks in a row (or perhaps, March of the Penguins!)

 

[scandi]

Hi Guys, Facts are right Strach as what I reported was said in that post. I'm trying to rack my brain as to who he was - AE, I think. It really surprised me as he just simply laid it out there in a short little post that ended pretty much getting lost within the foree of the evfening!

And I think he used the word 'traces' of blood. The next day I got to thinking that it could be JY had tried to clean or wash out the car {remember when Scott used bleach to clean out the bed of his truck :loser: :loser: } So the traces that were left he couldn't see with the naked eye, possibly. In floor mats and steering wheels there are lots of possibilities for cracks or pinholes where blood could seep into.

We don't even know if it is true. For this poster to have been posting for a month or so and then just let it slip out, was strange in the least

 

[scandi]

I see where you were headed now, thanks for clarifying. I also wonder when that meeting was set up.

I agree with the rest of you about the therapist, it certainly sounds important. It could be taking time if what is in the notes has caused further investigation, I'll bet it has.

I couldn't find ducks - penguins are related right?....

Ducks in a row (or perhaps, March of the Penguins!)

How Funny, reminding me of the play 'Mr Poppers Penguins' from Jr High days.

I do agree with Charlie that the therapist info could be major to the case.

Trouble 'a brewing with a seemingly negligent car accident, and 2 1/2 mos later, approx, till he started his affait w/ MM in August, change of jobs at that same time and seldom home what with trips to Fl and Denver and roving around the countryside in his job . . . . nights spent in motels . . .

. . . . it is like the summer months signaled a change in them as a couple, and then having it esecalate up to Halloween when the tension snapped, and all of his erring ways caught up with him and she said no more. Michelle was at the opposite end of the pole from him, having been virtually pregnant solid since almost the first of the year. The threat of losing Cassy hit him hard, and he meant every threat on her life in those heated moments when they argued.

Like I always say, one early morning in the quiet of night he found his hand clenched around her neck. I really think that happened quite a bit like that

Scandi.

 

[jilly]

Hi Guys, Facts are right Strach as what I reported was said in that post. I'm trying to rack my brain as to who he was - AE, I think. It really surprised me as he just simply laid it out there in a short little post that ended pretty much getting lost within the foree of the evfening!

And I think he used the word 'traces' of blood. The next day I got to thinking that it could be JY had tried to clean or wash out the car {remember when Scott used bleach to clean out the bed of his truck :loser: :loser: } So the traces that were left he couldn't see with the naked eye, possibly. In floor mats and steering wheels there are lots of possibilities for cracks or pinholes where blood could seep into.

We don't even know if it is true. For this poster to have been posting for a month or so and then just let it slip out, was strange in the least

I'm reading backwards here.

Scandi - I don't believe anything AE says fwiw. I think he's just an ornery troll. And if it is in fact AE, I think he signed up well before this murder if I recall correctly. I think it was June '06. I could be wrong - there's been so much nonsense going on at that site, it's hard to keep up.

 

[jilly]

Jilly, I'll clarify on the blood further since I can hardly understand what I'm explaining myself sometimes. The first instance with the blood and it was reported legitimately were the two droplets suspected to be blood by LE for probable cause. We never did get verification on those results. Don't even know if it was blood for that matter.

What I was referring to in Scandi's post is about a rumor on the ctv board placed by a poster a few days ago stating they heard there was blood (traces, I think) found on the steering wheel inside the door and the floor mats of the SUV. Scandi's post #146 verifies that poster said it was Michelle's blood. Scandi, details correct? I think a good reason for not believing it was another poster first brought it up as what if and then later a different one said they heard this. So? The other reasons I gave are legitimate ones also for why I discount that possibility. :blushing:

Thanks for explaining Strach. I'm sure it's me - sometimes I have to read a post 13 times before something will lodge. I think I'm suffering from info overload on this case and most of it is spam.

I really don't know about this blood on steering wheel, inside door & floor mats. Seems a bit odd if this guy was careful enough to take a shower that he wouldn't be extra careful about getting Michelle's blood all over the interior of the vehicle. Surely he would have used a couple of Glad garbage bags (not trying to make light of it).

Could be the second poster you're referring to took Poster #1s info as fact and not what if? I've seen that happen many times over there.

 

[Utopia]

Actually, the more I think about it, the more those penguins are appropriate. Have you seen March of the Penguins? You should see what the Empire males go through for their mates and children - incredible! Murdering mates should be forced to watch that film over and over again.

I agree with Jilly re AE - how could he possibly have access to those details?

 

[Samiya]

Sami (or anyone who knows),

How much would a medical examiner be able to tell from autopsy on an "attempted" strangulation and how much would actually make it to the autopsy report? Reasoning is this. I'm not convinced that the perp was trying to strangle her to kill her. I think he was trying to control her and hold her down. I assume the ME would be able to tell by bruising if the perp uses one hand or two. Seems that one hand would cause markings on the side of the neck where two hands would make more sense for the bruising to be on the front and back of the neck.

I think the perp brought a weapon into the house rather than grabbing something out of the bedroom after failing to strangle Michelle and the "strangulation" marks on the neck will show that it was one hand rather than two. One to hold, one to swing.

Hi Pack,

Manual Strangulation is strangulation that doesn't involve a ligature, and that includes hanging. Strangulation is actually quite 'technical' and involves more than just grabbing around the throat until dead..

"Manual Strangulation" as a term in an AR refers to successful strangulation using a part of the body (hand, hands forearm and includes holding a foot down onto a victims neck to cause cessation of breathing. It may or may not be cause of the decedents death, depending if other severe injuries are present that can cause death. (ie; Victim may have been strangled after death by a perp who wasn't sure if victim was in fact dead)

"Attempted Manual Strangulation" refers to a series of identifiers that lead an Examiner to believe that manual strangulation was attempted. The identifiers include hemorrhaging of the neck muscles, Odema of the neck, discolouration and/or bruising, Injury to the Larynx, Fracturing of the Hyoid Bone and a number of other identifiers. In most cases, not all identifiers are present.

It is certainly possible that one hand was used as a controlling method instead of actually trying to strangle Michelle.

Sami
FF

 

[jilly]

I'm in agreement with everyone's line of thinking on the therapist as well. I've already said I could go either way on the premed so with those thoughts in mind anyone wonder if it was on purpose that Michelle didn't get to see her Doctor the next day? Regardless or which one that was since we don't know.

RC and Jilly, do you think Jason found out something Wed. or Thurs. for instance and got a plan in motion right away? He got an early start but only drove 2.5 hours to the hotel? Made an excuse to go to his mothers even though it's a very good possibility he knew he had friends coming and the whole HC big game weekend planned. Maybe he was trying to shut up Michelle before an appt. with her therapist or knew she'd find out about the affair/cheating because he contracted a STD? Also back to the she threw him out or told him to be gone theory. The original business trip was legit and he was going to drive 4 or 5 hours then go to a hotel and something happened that he started making last minute helter skelter plans? That would explain why some parts look premeditated and others don't?

That's a very good point about who the doctor was that she was supposed to see that next day. I think it was JY who got the message out that Michelle had a doctor's appointment that Friday. Wouldn't doubt if he was sneaky enough to deliberately omit the fact that it was a therapist.

Yes I'm leaning towards him finding out something the Wed or Thurs. Planned the hotel only 2.5 miles away so he could go back & forth. Phoned mom (Thursday nite) so that he didn't have to show up there unexpectedly which might arouse suspicion later.

Yes. I believe (for now) the meeting was always planned and possibly because of it, he thought he could work around that to get an alibi - the hotel. Otherwise, like I said before, he would have got to the place of meeting on the Thursday nite so he could have a good sleep and whip off to the meeting in the morning. This even makes more sense to me that he would do this if he knew he had friends arriving in Raleigh on the Friday and he would drive back after the meeting to be home around the time they were expected.

BUT speaking of the friends.....I just remembered. One credible poster (in my mind) said that the friends that were expected were MM & her husband and they cancelled because their child was sick.

 

[Samiya]

One thing I've learnt at ctv, lol.

You can't try and calm a poster down so you can see how far this individual is willing to go to heap 'garbage' on investigators in their blame game, lol.

Sami

 

[raisincharlie]

One thing I've learnt at ctv, lol.

You can't try and calm a poster down so you can see how far this individual is willing to go to heap 'garbage' on investigators in their blame game, lol.

Sami

Same old story - blame everyone but the murderer....yawn.

I find it entertaining that first it was Jy's Mum handling the cops, while JY was hiding in Meredith's house - have to wonder why he wasn't out there protecting his Mum from the big bad policemen ? Now we are back to the cops being too aggressive to JY and accusing him of bad things.

I think that LE should have hauled his backside into the police station that night - he could have sat there and waited for his lawyer that he referred LE too. Aggressive my foot - LE missed a golden opportunity to make him sweat and to observe him by not hauling him in. They would have been justified based on what was in the probable cause section of the SW alone. Some things never change...

 

[raisincharlie]

but if it was big......shouldnt there be some news or an arrest? dang nabbittt-

j2mirish,

If I had the answer to that it would be great. I get the feeling there are lots of angles to be considered here. I do believe there may be some unidentified prints that LE is trying to resolve for one thing. I also think the DA will most likely seek a death penalty in this case which may place stronger emphasis on more detail and then there is the law firm of JY's choice - well known to the DA, therefore tactics are most likely know as well.

I think by now the lab work is back. I also think there may be something missing that definitively defines JY's presence and the DA may be a bit leary of advancing without resolving that issue. I do think it will be resolved however.

 

[raisincharlie]

I'm in agreement with everyone's line of thinking on the therapist as well. I've already said I could go either way on the premed so with those thoughts in mind anyone wonder if it was on purpose that Michelle didn't get to see her Doctor the next day? Regardless or which one that was since we don't know.

RC and Jilly, do you think Jason found out something Wed. or Thurs. for instance and got a plan in motion right away? He got an early start but only drove 2.5 hours to the hotel? Made an excuse to go to his mothers even though it's a very good possibility he knew he had friends coming and the whole HC big game weekend planned. Maybe he was trying to shut up Michelle before an appt. with her therapist or knew she'd find out about the affair/cheating because he contracted a STD? Also back to the she threw him out or told him to be gone theory. The original business trip was legit and he was going to drive 4 or 5 hours then go to a hotel and something happened that he started making last minute helter skelter plans? That would explain why some parts look premeditated and others don't?

Strach,

You make some good points - obviously some data is not known to us to delineate if this was premeditated days before, hours before, or even minutes before. One thing seems obvious, at some point it was without a doubt premeditated.

If one follows the Team JY proposal that Jy called his Mum on Thursday evening at 9 pm to arrange a visit and then got Michelle's "approval" at 11 pm, that certainly could go either way. however why would JY get Michelle's approval after the fact ? I focus on this issue because the business meeting which may or may not have been scheduled is a complete unknown. Not that I put much credence in the rumor, but either this is a very sly rumor or it could be close to the truth - I say that because the rumor itself is contradictory in nature. This rumor also contradicts the presentation of the rumor, in my mind, that JY did not talk on the phone while driving, thus necessitating him checking his voicemail.

Wish we had some facts. All I know is that at some point someone meant to kill this young woman and they did so in an extremely brutal fashion. The coincidences continue to increase in number.

 

[jilly]

Strach,

You make some good points - obviously some data is not known to us to delineate if this was premeditated days before, hours before, or even minutes before. One thing seems obvious, at some point it was without a doubt premeditated.

If one follows the Team JY proposal that Jy called his Mum on Thursday evening at 9 pm to arrange a visit and then got Michelle's "approval" at 11 pm, that certainly could go either way. however why would JY get Michelle's approval after the fact ? I focus on this issue because the business meeting which may or may not have been scheduled is a complete unknown. Not that I put much credence in the rumor, but either this is a very sly rumor or it could be close to the truth - I say that because the rumor itself is contradictory in nature. This rumor also contradicts the presentation of the rumor, in my mind, that JY did not talk on the phone while driving, thus necessitating him checking his voicemail.

Wish we had some facts. All I know is that at some point someone meant to kill this young woman and they did so in an extremely brutal fashion. The coincidences continue to increase in number.

Morning RC! I agree the rumors contradict. I have to say I didn't swallow the 11:00 "approval" - especially when he didn't get her approval for the CA trip.

I still think he might have called her at 11pm. He apparently told people at the funeral that he did so and he knows there would be a record of that. I think he turned his phone off after that call. Why he called her I don't know unless it was just to make sure she was alone and the GA friend wasn't staying over or something.

I agree with you - " at some point someone meant to kill this young woman...".

 

[Utopia]

he knows there will be a record of that[/B]. I think he turned his phone off after that call. Why he called her I don't know unless it was just to make sure she was alone and the GA friend wasn't staying over or something.


EXACTLY!

 

[FactsareFacts]

Hi Guys, Facts are right Strach as what I reported was said in that post. I'm trying to rack my brain as to who he was - AE, I think. It really surprised me as he just simply laid it out there in a short little post that ended pretty much getting lost within the foree of the evfening!

And I think he used the word 'traces' of blood. The next day I got to thinking that it could be JY had tried to clean or wash out the car {remember when Scott used bleach to clean out the bed of his truck :loser: :loser: } So the traces that were left he couldn't see with the naked eye, possibly. In floor mats and steering wheels there are lots of possibilities for cracks or pinholes where blood could seep into.

We don't even know if it is true. For this poster to have been posting for a month or so and then just let it slip out, was strange in the least

Hey there

I have been reading over at CTV and just thought I would throw my two cents in here. AE is the poster you are talking about in reference to the spots of blood. FWIW It was posed in the form of a question, not fact but that poster has been banned and all their posts were wiped. From what I read over there AE is nothing but a thorn in the side over there.:silenced:

 

[raisincharlie]

Morning RC! I agree the rumors contradict. I have to say I didn't swallow the 11:00 "approval" - especially when he didn't get her approval for the CA trip.

I still think he might have called her at 11pm. He apparently told people at the funeral that he did so and he knows there would be a record of that. I think he turned his phone off after that call. Why he called her I don't know unless it was just to make sure she was alone and the GA friend wasn't staying over or something.

I agree with you - " at some point someone meant to kill this young woman...".

Jilly,

I agree, if JY told people at the funeral that he called Michelle at 11, most likely that is true. However, the truth is - we only have a rumor saying he did, so what can one say? Fussell didn't mention it during his 15 minutes and no one else is quoted as saying such. Still not sure this is true or not.

As to the approval issue - I'm with you on that one. If it is true as posted in the search warrants that Michelle was upset about the Ca trip, obviously JY did not have her approval to take it. Can't for some reason imagine why he would feel the need to take a side trip to Brevard and ask for approval to do so based on that alone. I agree, if the 11 pm call happened, it was a fishing expedition IMO.

 

[jilly]

Actually, the more I think about it, the more those penguins are appropriate. Have you seen March of the Penguins? You should see what the Empire males go through for their mates and children - incredible! Murdering mates should be forced to watch that film over and over again.

I agree with Jilly re AE - how could he possibly have access to those details?

I missed this post before - I keep meaning to rent that movie and keep forgetting about it. Thank you for reminding me!

 

[jilly]

Jilly,

I agree, if JY told people at the funeral that he called Michelle at 11, most likely that is true. However, the truth is - we only have a rumor saying he did, so what can one say? Fussell didn't mention it during his 15 minutes and no one else is quoted as saying such. Still not sure this is true or not.

As to the approval issue - I'm with you on that one. If it is true as posted in the search warrants that Michelle was upset about the Ca trip, obviously JY did not have her approval to take it. Can't for some reason imagine why he would feel the need to take a side trip to Brevard and ask for approval to do so based on that alone. I agree, if the 11 pm call happened, it was a fishing expedition IMO.

Yes....got ya on the rumors. I will also confess that I may be selective on what I want to believe too because my gut tells me this guy did it.

It would be interesting to know if JY made a habit of calling her when he was out of town. I have read that he used to get ticked off at her when she called him. If he did, I would think he'd call at a time when Cassidy was awake to talk to her (like many dads I know do). If he only went to Hillsville then I don't see the point really of calling to say "hi Honey, I made it" when he'd just seen her a couple of hours before - especially at 11:00 at nite. So, if he did call her, imo there was an ulterior motive.