Michelle Young, pregnant mom, murdered Part 15.

[jake]

Has Jake posted at CTV? Did he post anything about Merideth being the killer too? I just don't get where that comes from. I was tempted to register last night when I read Mimi's comments about how Merideth must not be very upset about Michelle's death because she supposedly laughed and hugged her boyfriend ("African Boyfriend" thats just wrong on many levels) at the funeral.

Howdy,

The moderator here told me he doesn't like my posting style, so I will not post my opinions any more and hope I will not get kicked off. Not angry about anything...the moderator should be in charge of who posts and how.

Several of you have asked about MF and the accusations against her. Since she is not a suspect nor even a POI, those accusations, I reckon, have no place on a message board. Just the Facts discovered that when kicked off CTV and all posts burned.

But for those interested in history, including many comments by JTF, an early insider, I am posting a link below to a blog and posting board by Observations of a Misfit. The earliest entries about this case are from November 10 or thereabout. http://www.mermaidsinging.com/2006/11/trotting_out_the_constitutiona.htm#comment-2351

--Jake

 

[FactsareFacts]

Howdy,

The moderator here told me he doesn't like my posting style, so I will not post my opinions any more and hope I will not get kicked off. Not angry about anything...the moderator should be in charge of who posts and how.

Several of you have asked about MF and the accusations against her. Since she is not a suspect nor even a POI, those accusations, I reckon, have no place on a message board. Just the Facts discovered that when kicked off CTV and all posts burned.

But for those interested in history, including many comments by JTF, an early insider, I am posting a link below to a blog and posting board by Observations of a Misfit. The earliest entries about this case are from November 10 or thereabout. http://www.mermaidsinging.com/2006/11/trotting_out_the_constitutiona.htm#comment-2351

--Jake

Well I am very happy to hear that you feel that way about Merideth's involvement Jake. For the record I truly hope Jason did not do this because Cassidy would lose both parents and she has been thru enough. Thank you for the link, I will check that out. Wonder why Mimi's posts about Merideth aren't burned too?

 

[raisincharlie]

I would think that it may be a near impossible task to match any and all prints found in the home. How old is the home? How many owners were there prior to the Youngs? There could be all sorts of unknown prints left in the home by the previous owners, their relatives, guests, housekeepers, etc. These prints could even be in the proximity of the murder scene.

nanandjim,

The house was built in 1991 and there have been four previous owners prior to the Youngs. In addition it has been said that the Youngs entertained friends on numerous occasions. Yes, I am sure it is a fairly complicated process of identifying prints within the home.

Hope you are doing well !

 

[pack_fan]

nanandjim,

The house was built in 1991 and there have been four previous owners prior to the Youngs. In addition it has been said that the Youngs entertained friends on numerous occasions. Yes, I am sure it is a fairly complicated process of identifying prints within the home.

Hope you are doing well !

Welcome home rc.

How long will prints stay in tact so to speak. Assuming a print was left in a certain location undisturbed, would it remain there and be able to be identified for a month, year, 5, 10, since 1991?

I am also assuming that they are looking for prints in the master bed/bath, all entry points, and other critical locations. Not every single room in the home, correct?

 

[nanandjim]

nanandjim,

The house was built in 1991 and there have been four previous owners prior to the Youngs. In addition it has been said that the Youngs entertained friends on numerous occasions. Yes, I am sure it is a fairly complicated process of identifying prints within the home.

Hope you are doing well !

Hey RC. I am doing well. Thanks for asking. I think that it is pretty much a foregone conclusion that LE has narrowed the list of suspect(s).

Scandi said, "I think Michelle told the therapist about a threat on her life from someone, and she was scared to death it might come true and didn't know how to address the problem."

I tend to agree. I think Jason could have made ominous threats to Michelle that she may have mentioned to the therapist. I believe that the therapist has information that is directly tied to the murderer. I think that it is just another nail in Jason's coffin. I hope and pray that the police are able to piece it all together and find justice for Michelle.

 

[nanandjim]

Welcome home rc.

How long will prints stay in tact so to speak. Assuming a print was left in a certain location undisturbed, would it remain there and be able to be identified for a month, year, 5, 10, since 1991?

I am also assuming that they are looking for prints in the master bed/bath, all entry points, and other critical locations. Not every single room in the home, correct?

I know that this question is not to me, but I thought that there was no way to tell the age of fingerprints. Also, I would assume that fingerprints could remain intact forever if left undisturbed.

 

[raisincharlie]

Welcome home rc.

How long will prints stay in tact so to speak. Assuming a print was left in a certain location undisturbed, would it remain there and be able to be identified for a month, year, 5, 10, since 1991?

I am also assuming that they are looking for prints in the master bed/bath, all entry points, and other critical locations. Not every single room in the home, correct?

pack fan,

I have no idea how long a print would hang around, most likely it would vary with the environment it is exposed to. I would also think that since the house was sold on a fairly frequent basis, there would be some repainting done to spruce it up, on at least one or more occasions, however I doubt doors, moulding, and cabinetry would would have changed much.

I would agree prints would be taken from critical points such as entrances and exits or around any windows that may not have been locked shut as well as in any areas identifed as directly involved in the crime. I imagine it is quite a jigsaw puzzle for sure.

 

[raisincharlie]

Hey RC. I am doing well. Thanks for asking. I think that it is pretty much a foregone conclusion that LE has narrowed the list of suspect(s).

Scandi said, "I think Michelle told the therapist about a threat on her life from someone, and she was scared to death it might come true and didn't know how to address the problem."

I tend to agree. I think Jason could have made ominous threats to Michelle that she may have mentioned to the therapist. I believe that the therapist has information that is directly tied to the murderer. I think that it is just another nail in Jason's coffin. I hope and pray that the police are able to piece it all together and find justice for Michelle.

I am of the opinion that JY exhibited some aggressive behavior toward Michelle as well - either verbally or physically or possibly both. I do not believe this was the happy couple some would like us to believe. Can't tell you why I think that other than it is just my opinion.

 

[strach304]

I am of the opinion that JY exhibited some aggressive behavior toward Michelle as well - either verbally or physically or possibly both. I do not believe this was the happy couple some would like us to believe. Can't tell you why I think that other than it is just my opinion.

You're not alone RC. The affair, trips and the other rumors such as gambling, other things he would do, wearing boxers at his wedding shower, MIL rumors of not getting along with him (wonder why) complaining to female co-workers about his sex life, etc. are all examples of the picture we get of his character. Then we find out Michelle is seeing a therapist for what we do not know but it isn't a far jump to assume he didn't respect his wife and that does lead to many forms of abuse, betrayal, etc. If he personally didn't want to be married in the first place but did because that's how he was raised then I suppose he resented Michelle for it. If what we've heard about his mother and sisters are true then I don't think he'd want to disappoint them and felt the pressure to marry for the sake of being a stand up kinda guy in their eyes. I'm sure his friends and Michelle's also were getting married around that time and seemed like the natural thing to do. The physical abuse is the main thing I can think of (even if it was only once) that fits with the therapist being the only way to get that info and directly pertinent to the investigation as was worded in the article we read.

If Michelle went to see a therapist because of their problems and lets say there was one incident where JY hit her and then she found out about the affair and who it was with; Oh Boy! It seems to me if she was working on saving her marriage she wouldn't have confided that info to friends or family, only her therapist. That would of course account for the statement made to get the court order that it was the only way to get that info. Nobody else knew and it shows he had violent tendencies toward her. All speculation of course but that's what I expect to come from the therapist. All accounts we've heard so far as to Jason being capable of such brutality say no way.

 

[raisincharlie]

I'm with you Strach - there are numerous indicators leaning toward this scenario.

 

[jilly]

Well, it looks like I am Poppet apparently.

LMAO!

Sami

I read that Sami! LOL Actually I had to read it twice - couldn't believe it! Biggest blunder of the year for that poster. We won't tell who Poppet is! hehe - Let im enjoy the egg on his face!

 

[scandi]

Yes, I'm sure our little Poppet would laugh right along with us! I know her well, YaYa

About fingerprints, I think what they would have to take is any fingerprint that overlays any other one even by a smidge or single prints, and that goes together with palm or side hand prints.

JY's firm of Smith has used this in another case I guess, down to the last print, so none can be left unnamed. That could be quite a project if there are prints that can't be matched. They aren't all in CODA because they took a special trip and formed a laison with Brevard LE to fingerprint family and friends.

As to the reason that sent Michelle to consult with a therapist, I think it has to be much more than him hitting her. I don't think a judge would use that as a reason to break a Dr/patient relationship in the eyes of the law. I think it had to be a specific threat, like - If you kick me out and file for divorce and keep me from seeing my daughter, I will kill you. That is just very basic, I didn't get poetic with it. I could also see if JY was caught by Michelle doing something out of the ordinary and he told her he would bash her brains out if she ever told a soal as a reason to be very fearful on her part.

I just think it had to be something that turned Michelle's nervous system into a big shock wave. I think she was scared for her life.

I might also say at CTV they are saying Michelle did catch him with someone in their home. I've never heard that. Has anyone else heard that?

Also the possibility of a lover of JY getting rid of the wife has been thrown out there, but think it has no foundation, and also the idea the killer could be a woman. Since there is so much that leads to JY I am not at all convinced now that some lover had to have this man so bad she or he would kill to have him forever. I don't think so! Scandi

 

[jilly]

Hey Scandi! Earlier I asked earlier on the O/T thread where you were. Don't remember seeing you yesterday! Glad you're ok!

 

[scandi]

What a little Sweetie you are Jilly~ You put a big smile on my face. I got no sleep the night before 'cause of my dumb knee, so just read.

Have to run an errand, but will be back in about an hour!

 

[pack_fan]

Yes, I'm sure our little Poppet would laugh right along with us! I know her well, YaYa

About fingerprints, I think what they would have to take is any fingerprint that overlays any other one even by a smidge or single prints, and that goes together with palm or side hand prints.

JY's firm of Smith has used this in another case I guess, down to the last print, so none can be left unnamed. That could be quite a project if there are prints that can't be matched. They aren't all in CODA because they took a special trip and formed a laison with Brevard LE to fingerprint family and friends.

As to the reason that sent Michelle to consult with a therapist, I think it has to be much more than him hitting her. I don't think a judge would use that as a reason to break a Dr/patient relationship in the eyes of the law. I think it had to be a specific threat, like - If you kick me out and file for divorce and keep me from seeing my daughter, I will kill you. That is just very basic, I didn't get poetic with it. I could also see if JY was caught by Michelle doing something out of the ordinary and he told her he would bash her brains out if she ever told a soal as a reason to be very fearful on her part.

I just think it had to be something that turned Michelle's nervous system into a big shock wave. I think she was scared for her life.

I might also say at CTV they are saying Michelle did catch him with someone in their home. I've never heard that. Has anyone else heard that?

Also the possibility of a lover of JY getting rid of the wife has been thrown out there, but think it has no foundation, and also the idea the killer could be a woman. Since there is so much that leads to JY I am not at all convinced now that some lover had to have this man so bad she or he would kill to have him forever. I don't think so! Scandi

I think the prints are going to be a tricky situation. Obviously LE would not dust the entire house so there has to be some sort of logic to the collection of the prints. Think the entry and exit points will be key as well as around the master bedroom and bath.

I'm sure that there are open and shut cases with husbands (or wives) that kill spouses. Obviously not a "crime junkie" but must be difficult to prove with dna when a spouse is very careful. You would expect to find their dna all over the house. Has to be in a very obvious place like under the fingernails for example. Seems as though there would be more circumstantial evidence than anything else.

I am also intrigued by the therapist. Wonder what type of evidence would be considered critical to the investigation. Don't know but would think it would have to be something substantial to be allowed rather than just standard crap about how he wouldn't take out the trash. Honestly, no marriage is perfect and if you catch me at the right times, you would probably think that mine was horrible as well. We don't brag about the good things but don't mind complaining when things aren't going our way. Back to the point, I doubt that the therapist came forward considering the amount of time that had passed, especially if they are required to report threats. Don't really know if this is true or not. I would be more inclined to beleive that LE found out about it through interviews but again wondering if information would be admissable for ordinary things that go along with a theory that LE has about an "unhappy marriage".

Just rambling, must be time to go to bed.

 

[scandi]

Hi PackFan, Interesting thought about whether she approached LE or they found her. I agree with you about them finding out about her.

We know it made the judges right eyebrow raise up, right? That takes a lot, because they hear so much and probably always are able to hold their emotions in check. Had to be something very telling that could point to the perp. Now acc to Sami's link, the judge would order this if someone's life was in danger { or SS}.

Wouldn't you think she would realize this right off the bat the minute she learned of the death of her client?

The 3 1/2 month lag in time till we heard about this is what tells me they found her. I think she played it conservatively, knowing she could always go to them as they were still investigating. Her reputation could have been paramount to her decision what with past, present and future clients. She maybe was afraid of the liability and loss of clientelle, meaning $$$'s.

I know, I'm pretty cynical. LE should have learned about this right away. It couldn't have taken 3 1/2 months to deal with, could it?

Scandi

 

[jilly]

I agree. I think LE found out about Michelle going to a therapist either through Project Energy or friends.

I don't think it had to be something big for the Judge to agree. I'm thinking it could have been something as simple as LE swearing out an affidavit saying that the Youngs' were having financial difficulty, JY was having a relationship with another woman, Michelle was murdered and the husband wasn't co-operating. They may have even had some evidence come back from the lab that they referred to in the affidavit as well. I think LE may have been on a fishing expedition with this one.

My feeling is that there's no threat to Michelle's life here. I think if there was Michelle would have gone to the police and/or a divorce lawyer.

I agree with everyone else. This poor woman's life was turmoil the last 6 months and she needed a therapist to pour her heart out. Obviously, JY was not interested in being there for her emotionally.

 

[jilly]

Wouldn't you think she would realize this right off the bat the minute she learned of the death of her client?

The 3 1/2 month lag in time till we heard about this is what tells me they found her. I think she played it conservatively, knowing she could always go to them as they were still investigating. Her reputation could have been paramount to her decision what with past, present and future clients. She maybe was afraid of the liability and loss of clientelle, meaning $$$'s.

I know, I'm pretty cynical. LE should have learned about this right away. It couldn't have taken 3 1/2 months to deal with, could it?

Scandi

Scandi - I don't know what exactly was going on with the therapist, if it's true that LE found her. I would think she could have gone to the police when she found out about the murder and told them they'd have to get a Court Order for her notes. That way she would still be protected legally in that she would not be violating the therapist/client priviledge.

Just guessing here - could be right off base.

 

[scandi]

That does sound like a plausible answer Jilly. If she told LE she needed a court order to learn info that could possibly help in their investigation it would protect her practice and at the same time do right by Michelle.

Why would that process take so long?

Jilly, I was too far behind to read tonight at CTV. Did anything else come out of interest?

Scandi


PS: Oh, I love our new formatting!

 

[strach304]

Hi everyone :blowkiss: Been popping in and out, I've started a new medication and it's making me very sleepy.

Scandi, your theory of threats to Michelle's life could very well be right imo because you see that alone might not be enough for an arrest because it doesn't prove he did kill her. To be clearer of what I mean is if Michelle told her he said something physically threatening in the heat of an argument but had not acted on it just shows that he made the threat and she took it seriously enough to tell her therapist. The part about the therapist that sticks out to me is LE saying they could not obtain that info in any other way so I believe it has to be something friends and family weren't aware of or where other records existed. Something told to a therapist in Michelle's own words to me mean a great deal but show another side to Jason possibly that noone else was aware of.