Michelle Young, pregnant mom, murdered Part 15.

[Utopia]

Yes the reference that Scout was referring to definitely quoted this poster as saying Jason was apparently depressed, the confusion was about whether she was having concerns about leaving the marriage or going to the spa. Either way it did make me look at things in a different way.

Obviously I am NOT defending the killer of this horrible act, whether its Jason or not - but it left me wondering what else may have been going on other than what many here are assuming (he was an evil person, horrible husband, self-centred, blah, blah, pick your adjective). IMO most murders involve emotional or mental instability of some sort - even if only briefly. I don't see how a human being can kill another without that being the case (paid assassins and soldiers are among the exceptions I guess). Perhaps if he was severely depressed (albeit possibly self induced - unrequited love from MM for example, between jobs etc.) and it went unaddressed, he may have spiraled into a seriously unhealthy mental state. I guess my only reservation here is that you would think it would still be apparent afterward, and it doesn't appear to have been (ala Mark Hacking for example - whether that was genuine or not).

My main point being - this could very well be enough to send Michelle to a therapist and would certainly interest LE as I would think it would go to motive. (ETA - hmm, perhaps motive isn't the right word. I needs help with this - why would LE care? In fact I guess the defense could use this as an insanity defense)

Feel free to disagree with me, as you can see I'm already disagreeing with myself. I'll apologize in advance if this has already been discussed to death in previous threads that I have missed.

Again with the late night/early morning rambling! I must sleep.

Hi Utopia! I remember when that was originally posted and it had nothing to do with the Spa weekend imo. I'm pretty sure it was because of his depression. I think he might have been between jobs or something.

I'm just hoping Michelle had a few sessions with this therapist - mind you, a lot can be covered in one hour.

I'll be back later.

 

[jilly]

It sure would help if we knew more about this guy. He's a late bloomer and then suddenly his girlfriend is pregnant and he's 'having' to get married. Maybe a lot of resentment there from day 1.

Did you ever see his record of employment? Quite a few jobs over a short period of time. Rumor has it, he wasn't that bright.

Having affair(s), possibly gambling. I think the only reason he stayed in the marriage was because of Cassidy. I believe he really loves her.

I just can't figure why he had to resort to murdering his wife unless he just wanted his freedom from responsibility (wife & 2 kids).

I think the therapist's notes will go solely to motive.

ETA - We did hear after the murder, he was walking around Brevard looking like a zombie. Sounds like as time has passed 'time has healed all wounds' and he's over it. Maybe when he's arrested, he'll breakdown.

 

[5bigfish5]

Hi Guys,

As I remember that comment about Jason being depressed, it was not about the spa weekend. The husbands were invited and the spa itself was being comped by some connection that Steve Money had. They should have both been happy and looking forward to it. But if Michelle had found out about the affair with MM, then all bets are off.

Perhaps what Michelle took for depression, was Jason's increasing distance from her emotionally. I imagine he was acting distracted and introspective and therefore appeared to be brooding.

Little did she know that it was about the upcoming deed. Maybe in his own way he understood the gravity of what he was planning.

5bigfish5

 

[Utopia]

Hi Guys,

Snipped...

Perhaps what Michelle took for depression, was Jason's increasing distance from her emotionally. I imagine he was acting distracted and introspective and therefore appeared to be brooding.

Little did she know that it was about the upcoming deed. Maybe in his own way he understood the gravity of what he was planning.

5bigfish5

That's a very insightful comment Bigfish, not to mention frightening.

 

[happy2bn10ec]

Hi Guys,

As I remember that comment about Jason being depressed, it was not about the spa weekend. The husbands were invited and the spa itself was being comped by some connection that Steve Money had. They should have both been happy and looking forward to it. But if Michelle had found out about the affair with MM, then all bets are off.

Perhaps what Michelle took for depression, was Jason's increasing distance from her emotionally. I imagine he was acting distracted and introspective and therefore appeared to be brooding.

Little did she know that it was about the upcoming deed. Maybe in his own way he understood the gravity of what he was planning.

5bigfish5

I agree with that, bigfish. I was just getting ready to say pretty much the same thing, but thought I'd better read first to make sure no one else had already beat me to it. I don't think he was depressed as much as he was preoccupied - with the g/f and his own unhappiness and how could he get out of it. I hadn't thought ahead as far as you did, though, that maybe he was contemplating what he felt "had" to be done to insure HIS happiness.

Sorry, even when I try and stretch it, I just cannot come up with any sympathy for this man. If he would only help LE the least little bit, I might could think differently about him.

 

[jilly]

Hi Guys,
Perhaps what Michelle took for depression, was Jason's increasing distance from her emotionally. I imagine he was acting distracted and introspective and therefore appeared to be brooding.
5bigfish5

Good point!

 

[strach304]

I agree with that, bigfish. I was just getting ready to say pretty much the same thing, but thought I'd better read first to make sure no one else had already beat me to it. I don't think he was depressed as much as he was preoccupied - with the g/f and his own unhappiness and how could he get out of it. I hadn't thought ahead as far as you did, though, that maybe he was contemplating what he felt "had" to be done to insure HIS happiness.

Sorry, even when I try and stretch it, I just cannot come up with any sympathy for this man. If he would only help LE the least little bit, I might could think differently about him.

ITA your post and BigFish As for sympathy, I felt the same way about SP. BBL

 

[liveoutloud]

Yes, Major Johnson spoke 'briefly" to JY after Midnight when he returned to the Raleigh area (MF's home). He simply said " you need to talk with Mr Roger Smith jr, my attorney."

BF

So, it was after midnight when JY and family arrived in Raleigh? No wonder LE weren't exactly warm and fuzzy.

 

[liveoutloud]

Jilly, you are right about what we thought which is why I thought Meredith actually called his parents. Remember we speculated that we wanted to know if it was that morning that he called and said he was going to drop by. He needed somewhere to be that was far away until she was found. Then we found out the call was a voice mail and Gojo said he planned it the night before. You're also right about the thanksgiving part too. This does get confusing I know. Still don't know if he told Meredith he was going there or not but it seems logical that he may have. I don't discount Brevard LE going there either because it was discussed here in the early days of the case.

Strach

I'm the bandwidth menace. I will figure out how to snip today, I promise. I had always wondered why LE was not present when JY arrived? Seeing his reaction would have been something they wanted to do very much unless I watch to many cop shows. Would WCSD have let MF just call everyone with the news? I would have thought they would have instructed her not to call anyone until JY had been notified? Thanks in advance for any help you can give.

 

[liveoutloud]

Okay, you've done it now Scandi, :slap: if a new poster suddenly comes here masquerading as a profiler...it'll be your fault!

Wow. What a coincidence. I AM a profiler.
Just kidding lol.

 

[liveoutloud]

Hi Guys,

As I remember that comment about Jason being depressed, it was not about the spa weekend. The husbands were invited and the spa itself was being comped by some connection that Steve Money had. They should have both been happy and looking forward to it. But if Michelle had found out about the affair with MM, then all bets are off.

Perhaps what Michelle took for depression, was Jason's increasing distance from her emotionally. I imagine he was acting distracted and introspective and therefore appeared to be brooding.

Little did she know that it was about the upcoming deed. Maybe in his own way he understood the gravity of what he was planning.

5bigfish5

5bigfish5

I think you are right on the money with this. I think he was distancing himself from her in a very obvious way and she was confused. Plus, I think seeing her mom in june probably did nothing to dispel what I think would have to be a nagging thought in the back of her mind about that accident. Her mom may have been the first to put it into words? Perhaps she discounted the notion and came back fro NY feeling a bit sheepish for having talked so badly about JY and then he proceeds to start acting like a REAL a$$ to her and when asked about it, blamed depression.

 

[scandi]

Okay, you've done it now Scandi, :slap: if a new poster suddenly comes here masquerading as a profiler...it'll be your fault!

I was hoping either Pat Brown or Candice DeLong would show up and give us an idea or two!

The funny thing is I think many here have studied crime so much on these boards they would probably pass an exam on profiling.

I'm thinking in a familial case like this, where LE said right out of the chute it was not a random killing, the perp would not be 'seasoned' as to know the steps to take next and would be in a state of flux.

Here it could be bludgeoning wasn't the first choice for the kill, maybe not even thought of when he walked in the room. Prepared to use his fists and hands and ending up with a bloody mess from the bludgeoning he gave to her, he was unprepared to deal with what to do next. And if Cassidy heard him and walked out into the MBr, it would put further stress on him if he thought she would be spending the night somewhere else as we heard was planned. So . . .

* He could have tried to clean up, which would make a bigger mess with blood evidence, telling to the criminalists examining the scene.

* Shattered teeth and hair - he probably didn't even realize these things were left there.

* He could have easily forgotton something, like a piece of Cassidy's clothing in the bathroom with spots of blood on it, telling to LE that he changed her clothes and a stranger wouldn't do that.

* He evidently didn't realize wet feet would leave an imprint in carpeting and would dry that way if not touched before LE arrived on the scene.

* He didn't realize most likely that the blood spatter on the lamp and walls would show exactly how tall he was, what direction he swung at her from and where she was and where he stood and moved to as he proceeded to hit her.

* Bundling up the accoutrements could be tricky, and it would be very difficult I think to walk out of a scene that LE said was the most violent or bloody that they had seen in the last 20+ years, and not take some of the blood out of that bedroom.

I'm praying these things will show something that will catch him or the killer. He has probably racked his brain on a regular basis over this and had nightmares. Good thing that if he made an error it is of record. Same goes for the 911 call. Scandi

ETA: I also think being a novice at killing he would be petrified to drive very far with the evidence of the crime in his car. I think he ditched it not far from the scene.

 

[strach304]

LOL, I have no idea. They may have let her be the first to speak to her mother and then took over the conversation. I'm sure someone else here would have a better idea of what they'd do under the circumstances. Better yet, MF took it upon herself to do so. I know I would.

RC, I have a question about warrants. You said before that we only get to see them after they have been returned right? Unless they're sealed also. For the sealed ones would Jason's lawyer get those before an arrest? Isn't it true that there could be a gazillion warrants that we know nothing about until they are returned?

I'm still wondering about that luggage. Where is it? If the Youngs got a hotel first and unloaded it before going to MF's then that explains why it wasn't in the SUV warrant. Jake also said something here about them still having the two coats belonging to the BIL. I figure he lent Jason one of those to wear. I know LE would want Jason's luggage.

 

[jilly]

Strach

I'm the bandwidth menace. I will figure out how to snip today, I promise. I had always wondered why LE was not present when JY arrived? Seeing his reaction would have been something they wanted to do very much unless I watch to many cop shows. Would WCSD have let MF just call everyone with the news? I would have thought they would have instructed her not to call anyone until JY had been notified? Thanks in advance for any help you can give.

Me too LoL. They had about 2 hrs to find out where he was. They probably phoned Chart One. They probably tried his cell phone (which was off). Meredith could have told them where his parents were.

It sounds to me like one of these friends that they questioned was sneaky enough to phone the parents (without telling LE) and lucked out.

I agree LE must have been really pizzed off, because I think their first contact with the Youngs' was when they were driving back to Raleigh.

 

[jilly]

I have a question about this library card that LE seized. Did that come from the house? Anyone remember offhand?

I've just been thinking about JY keeping his cell phone off. Seems he might have known quite a few things that maybe the ordinary person wouldn't even think about.

Can LE determine from a library card what you were searching on a computer at the library? He could have done a whole bunch of googling there on certain topics which could be incriminating.

 

[chicoliving]

I heard something interesting on NG tonight in regards to missing 911 operator in GA and I immediately thought of this case. The husband's not a suspect yet no one has been ruled out kinda thing. Here's what a defense attorney said he would do as far as polygraphs if he were this guy's attorney:



BURRIS: Of course. You know, I`d have a private one that -- because the question is this. How much do you want him to talk to the police or not? And obviously, he wants to create -- he wants to be cooperative, but at the Same time you know, these are situations where suspicion`s going be on him, no matter what. And so cooperation in and of itself may never help him out because unless he has a foolproof alibi, the suspicion is going to be on him, so...

~snip~

BURRIS: No, I recognize...

(CROSSTALK)

BURRIS: ... police focus on him. But from a defense point of view, you`ve got to decide how much you want to allow for the police...

GRACE: OK.

BURRIS: ... to have access to him. And given he can`t get himself out of it, I think I would shut down.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0703/30/ng.01.html

 

[Samiya]

I have a question about this library card that LE seized. Did that come from the house? Anyone remember offhand?

I've just been thinking about JY keeping his cell phone off. Seems he might have known quite a few things that maybe the ordinary person wouldn't even think about.

Can LE determine from a library card what you were searching on a computer at the library? He could have done a whole bunch of googling there on certain topics which could be incriminating.

Hi Jilly,

IIRC the library card came from the house.

The thing is that would Jason bother to use the internet at the library if he was going to search methods of killing? He and Michelle had one computer at home and there was a laptop as well which was in Jason's possession so I would assume it was a personal business laptop of Jason's.

I don't think the laptop was supplied to Jason by ChartOne or they would have received a SW as the owner as well as Jason.

Both the home PC and Laptop were internet enabled. If Jason wanted to google without Michelle knowing, he would most probably have done it n the laptop out of public view, when she was asleep, in the shower, when she was at work or he on lunch breaks, etc.

If the library has computer catalogue databases that don't require a logon of the person searching, then nothing could be gained from that network as far as what Jason looked up (books).

They will be able to look up what he has borrowed and when he borrowed, and can use those dates to see if he had used any internet library computers on those dates.

But, libraries over there may operate differently to libraries over here, so I am only speaking from what I know from my side of the planet Over here, you just walk in and say you want to use the internet, pay and on you get.

It would be interesting to compare how libraries in different countries operate though

Sami

 

[Samiya]

I heard something interesting on NG tonight in regards to missing 911 operator in GA and I immediately thought of this case. The husband's not a suspect yet no one has been ruled out kinda thing. Here's what a defense attorney said he would do as far as polygraphs if he were this guy's attorney:



BURRIS: Of course. You know, I`d have a private one that -- because the question is this. How much do you want him to talk to the police or not? And obviously, he wants to create -- he wants to be cooperative, but at the Same time you know, these are situations where suspicion`s going be on him, no matter what. And so cooperation in and of itself may never help him out because unless he has a foolproof alibi, the suspicion is going to be on him, so...

~snip~

BURRIS: No, I recognize...

(CROSSTALK)

BURRIS: ... police focus on him. But from a defense point of view, you`ve got to decide how much you want to allow for the police...

GRACE: OK.

BURRIS: ... to have access to him. And given he can`t get himself out of it, I think I would shut down.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0703/30/ng.01.html

Thanks Chico

Sami

 

[jilly]

Thanks Chico.

In this particular case though, there is absolutely no media attention. LE has not leaked a word, so I don't know why at this point why the Defense attorney would be doing anything.

 

[chicoliving]

I guess the point that I got was that some defense attorneys shut their clients down when their alibi is not firm or provable or when there is nothing the client could offer LE to prove their noninvolvement.

You don't let them talk to LE if they don't pass a private LDT
You don't let them talk to LE if their alibi is less than iron clad


JY has had limited interviews with LE, just the very basics really and a SW was necessary. This may be why?? Maybe he took a private LDT or more likely his alibi is less than ironclad.

Something clicked I'm just not sure what or why lol