Michelle Young, pregnant mom, murdered Part 16

[jake]

Really? You've been told this, or this is what the family is telling you?

Neither. I'm just trying to figure out why the police have not made an arrest. What I said makes sense to me.

--Jake

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Neither. I'm just trying to figure out why the police have not made an arrest. What I said makes sense to me.

--Jake

IMO, it is quite rare for a pregnant lady to be beaten to death in her own home by two people.

So, I'm curious. Based upon what limited info has been released, what has led you to an opinion that there were 2 involved in Michelle's murder?

 

[Bellgardin]

Neither. I'm just trying to figure out why the police have not made an arrest. What I said makes sense to me.

--Jake

That's fine, but what I said makes sense to me too. Maybe because they want to make sure they have all their facts in line and have tied up loose ends. It took 2 years to arrest Justin Barber and well over that to arrest Jeff MacDonald. Murder investigations aren't tied up in an hour like on CSI or Law and Order.

Any ideas on who the two people are that you think beat Michelle to death? And why would they want to?

 

[jake]

I think it's perfectly possible for them to decide he's no longer a suspect before they arrest someone else, IF they have evidence that leads to someone else. However, that's not what the SW's & other info that we have access to indicates. I had claims where people were murdered and the bene (usually the spouse) were dismissed as suspects rather quickly. I will tell you though, that in all the cases I've seen where the bene was the suspect, about 99% of the time they were eventually arrested and put on trial.

Maybe it's because my mom used to be a cop, but I would rather be on the list and then do everything I could to help them and get myself off the list rather than sit back and worry about whether I was on the list or not. Some people have the view that it's been 6 months and he hasn't been arrested so he won't be because they would have done it by now. I look at a little differently though-it's been 6 months and they can't clear him and publicly say he's not a suspect. And to me, being in a hotel room alone is not an alibi. It didn't work for Christopher Porco.

Whoa. I don't like that 99% figure you put out. Is that really accurate?

Speaking of search warrants: I've been told that LE cannot seal a search warrant. Only a judge can do that. I have no way to know if that is true. But if it is, I wonder if there are other search warrants--other than the ones for Jason--that we haven't seen yet. If so, these SWs would show us the new direction LE is looking.

I also wonder if a magistrate has the power to seal a SW. I ask that because of a story about a magistrate that I told on another board. That magistrate clearly thought Jason was guilty and should be hanged. I reckon that speaks to being human and not objective.

--Jake

 

[jake]

Good luck compiling that list. My list was just the tip of the iceburg. There are plenty more that do not make the national news. For every one you can come up with you can find another who were backed all the way and were not exonerated. The number one cause of death for pregnant women is murder,most times by the hand of their significant others, period.

http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/285/11/1455?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext="Pregnancy-Associated+Mortality"&searchid=1124570586467_2005&stored_search=&FIRSTINDEX=0&journalcode=jama

Believe it or not, I hope Jason's not guilty too. Just like I hoped that Scott Peterson, Mark Hacking, Jeffrey MacDonald and Justin Barber were not guilty. Men need to stop murdering their wives and get a divorce if they want out!

I've seen those links before, and heard the statistic about pregnant women. But then someone else--on another board but I can't remember which one-- pointed out that those statistics did not indicate if another child was already in the home.

She seemed to think a different study had a different outcome when another child was factored in. Ah, that's too vague. I need to find that post.

--Jake

 

[raisincharlie]

Whoa. I don't like that 99% figure you put out. Is that really accurate?

Speaking of search warrants: I've been told that LE cannot seal a search warrant. Only a judge can do that. I have no way to know if that is true. But if it is, I wonder if there are other search warrants--other than the ones for Jason--that we haven't seen yet. If so, these SWs would show us the new direction LE is looking.

I also wonder if a magistrate has the power to seal a SW. I ask that because of a story about a magistrate that I told on another board. That magistrate clearly thought Jason was guilty and should be hanged. I reckon that speaks to being human and not objective.

--Jake

There are other warrants.

 

[Bellgardin]

Whoa. I don't like that 99% figure you put out. Is that really accurate?

Speaking of search warrants: I've been told that LE cannot seal a search warrant. Only a judge can do that. I have no way to know if that is true. But if it is, I wonder if there are other search warrants--other than the ones for Jason--that we haven't seen yet. If so, these SWs would show us the new direction LE is looking.

I also wonder if a magistrate has the power to seal a SW. I ask that because of a story about a magistrate that I told on another board. That magistrate clearly thought Jason was guilty and should be hanged. I reckon that speaks to being human and not objective.

--Jake

You can look up any north carolina statute if you do a search for north carolina general assembly and look under general statutes and I believe search warrants are in chapter 15A-Criminal Procedure Act. I don't know about search warrants, but indictments can be sealed. Again, check chapter 15A of the NC general assembly. I discussed all of this on this thread several pages ago. You can also read all of the statutes on grand jurys, search warrants, and nto's and this is very enlightening. You should try it.

 

[jake]

And do you have any ideas on who these two people may be or why they may have wanted to beat Michelle Young to death?

Of course I do, to both questions. But unlike with Jason, I have absolutely no information, no CE, nothing to connect anyone to this crime...yet.

I think if the past and present of everyone who has been mentioned in this case were as well-publicized as Jason's---if we knew as much about everyone else as we know of Jason---you, me, and others might look differently at the case.

Surely police officers have more information than we do. Surely they have looked---are looking---at others.

JMO, of course.

--Jake

 

[Bellgardin]

I've seen those links before, and heard the statistic about pregnant women. But then someone else--on another board but I can't remember which one-- pointed out that those statistics did not indicate if another child was already in the home.

She seemed to think a different study had a different outcome when another child was factored in. Ah, that's too vague. I need to find that post.

--Jake

I really fail to see how that is relevant. The study showed the cause of death for 20% of pregnant women is murder. Michelle was a pregnant woman. I don't see what having or not having other children have to do with it. If it was mimi or anyone of her ilk from ctv, forget it. She also said Justin Barber received ins. proceeds from his wife's policies-which I already proved was wrong.

 

[jake]

You can look up any north carolina statute if you do a search for north carolina general assembly and look under general statutes and I believe search warrants are in chapter 15A-Criminal Procedure Act. I don't know about search warrants, but indictments can be sealed. Again, check chapter 15A of the NC general assembly. I discussed all of this on this thread several pages ago. You can also read all of the statutes on grand jurys, search warrants, and nto's and this is very enlightening. You should try it.

I did read all of your information. It was very thorough. But RC seems convinced about there being more search warrants, and I wondered about the process of sealing one.

--Jake

 

[jake]

I really fail to see how that is relevant. The study showed the cause of death for 20% of pregnant women is murder. Michelle was a pregnant woman. I don't see what having or not having other children have to do with it. If it was mimi or anyone of her ilk from ctv, forget it. She also said Justin Barber received ins. proceeds from his wife's policies-which I already proved was wrong.

Nope, not ctv. I don't know that it is relevant, either. Statistics are useless to prove the specific.

--Jake

 

[Bellgardin]

Of course I do, to both questions. But unlike with Jason, I have absolutely no information, no CE, nothing to connect anyone to this crime...yet.

I think if the past and present of everyone who has been mentioned in this case were as well-publicized as Jason's---if we knew as much about everyone else as we know of Jason---you, me, and others might look differently at the case.

Surely police officers have more information than we do. Surely they have looked---are looking---at others.

JMO, of course.

--Jake

I will not go into the direction of any of MY's family members, that is pure conjecture and has absolutely no place here so I really hope that's not what you mean by "everyone who has been mentioned in this case". The search warrants and information to this date unfortunately point to one person--for now. Wanting it to not be true does not make it not true. You have your opinion, I have mine. I have seen no police misconduct or bad treatment here. The police officers job is to look at the evidence and follow where it takes them, not guide the evidence to fit who they think did it. Almost everyone who has been brought to trial has cried police misconduct, they never followed any other leads, etc... And I know there are corrupt police officers just as there are corrupt lawyers, business men and salesman and on and on. People just get mad period when they want to get away with something and the police don't let them and they will do whatever they have to do to stay out of prison. It's somehow never the person who is in jail who did it(see all those other guys stories that I mentioned earlier) and somehow, people keep winding up dead but it's no one's fault. I'm sick to death of people trying to ruin police officers names and characters because they are doing their jobs to protect us.

 

[Bellgardin]

I did read all of your information. It was very thorough. But RC seems convinced about there being more search warrants, and I wondered about the process of sealing one.

--Jake

If RC says there are more warrants, then I bow to his judgement. However, that does NOT mean anything one way or another to JY. They could be regarding him too, or not. But their mere existence does not exonerate him.

 

[Nomimi]

Not that it's important one way or the other, but just to keep the record straight: Jason has never worked as a rafting guide. I think he worked at a summer camp near Brevard, and may have gone rafting, but not as a guide.

This is not to say he doesn't have a dry suit. I don't really know. And maybe he even designed one as a project. Who knows?

--Jake

Hey Jake, just trying to catch up. So, the rumor that I heard about Jason working for your daughter is NOT true? TIA

 

[jake]

I will not go into the direction of any of MY's family members, that is pure conjecture and has absolutely no place here so I really hope that's not what you mean by "everyone who has been mentioned in this case". The search warrants and information to this date unfortunately point to one person--for now. Wanting it to not be true does not make it not true. You have your opinion, I have mine. I have seen no police misconduct or bad treatment here. The police officers job is to look at the evidence and follow where it takes them, not guide the evidence to fit who they think did it. Almost everyone who has been brought to trial has cried police misconduct, they never followed any other leads, etc... And I know there are corrupt police officers just as there are corrupt lawyers, business men and salesman and on and on. People just get mad period when they want to get away with something and the police don't let them and they will do whatever they have to do to stay out of prison. It's somehow never the person who is in jail who did it(see all those other guys stories that I mentioned earlier) and somehow, people keep winding up dead but it's no one's fault. I'm sick to death of people trying to ruin police officers names and characters because they are doing their jobs to protect us.

Whoa, you read far too much into my simple little post. It sounds as if you have some anger stored and you want to vent on me.

I was asked a question, and I answered it. Look at my answer, not what you think I might have "meant". If you think everyone but Jason is off-limits in this case, so be it. Think what you want. It's my opinion the police officers are not thinking that way.

--Jake

 

[Nomimi]

Someone on another board posted the idea of a shoe being a weapon that caused the wounds on Michelle's head. I can see it if it's a woman's shoe, maybe even Michelle's.

I tried one just to see. It hurts even with a gentle stroke. The shoe I tried didn't have a flat heel, but not a thin spike heel, either. Sort of in between, but I don't know what it's called.

I can see one killer trying to choke a struggling Michelle while the other is on the bed pounding on her with the shoe. Horrible scene to imagine.

--Jake

HI Again Jake! So, you've resorted back to the 2 killer theory? I don't believe Michelle had any enemies, let alone 2. I believe the only one to stand to gain anything would be Jason. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[strach304]

Possibly the two killer theory is derived from the unknown prints. I don't think LE is not considering an accomplice. However if it were someone known to a suspect wouldn't they have that info by now? I've always thought the pics on disc they wanted was to identify someone unknown. We know they even asked a neighbor had he ever been in that house.

 

[jake]

If RC says there are more warrants, then I bow to his judgement. However, that does NOT mean anything one way or another to JY. They could be regarding him too, or not. But their mere existence does not exonerate him.

Of course not. But if other SWs exist, it means to me that police officers do have suspicions about others.

--Jake

 

[raisincharlie]

Of course not. But if other SWs exist, it means to me that police officers do have suspicions about others.

--Jake

I never said what information about who was requested on those warrants, but you are off base if you think I might have meant others besides Jason. As you say, don't interpret what you think I meant.

 

[jake]

Hey Jake, just trying to catch up. So, the rumor that I heard about Jason working for your daughter is NOT true? TIA

Glad you're catching up! Not true. But he would be a good guide.

--Jake